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Published: Thursday, Aug. 22 2013 12:20 p.m. MDT

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2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

My issues with this are more philosophical than actual. I really don't care if they read all my emails and listen to all my calls (they wouldn't hear anything interesting). But it's the Constitutional issues, the slippery-slope, and the possibility of political abuse of the program that bugs me.

I can easily see overly ambitious politicians using the same program to get an advantage on political opponents (ala the IRS scandal). And taken to extremes (but extremes we have seen other governments reach in my own generation)... I can see it being used to put people in concentration camps (or re-education camps, call them what you will) if they find somebody who's not towing the party line.

So IMO it shouldn't be done. And I don't care if it's a Republican or Democrat or a Communist who's doing it. Unless you have a valid reason (aka "warrant") it should not be done.

They should listen to calls of people credibly suspected of plotting harm... but it needs to be monitored or it will be abused eventually.

Mark from Montana
Aurora, CO

The NSA would also like to look through all of the wallets, purses and bank accounts of every person in the US, but for now, they do not have the right. Then again they don't have the right to look at my emails, listen to my phone calls and eaves drop in my house, but they are doing much of that anyway.

When will a politician, any politician, stop saying they are 'concerned' or 'worried' about these events? When will they start following the oath of office they swore (national office holders) to protect and defend the constitution of the United States? When will any of them stand up for our rights as citizens?

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

It's too bad Governor Herbert didn't have these same misgivings before being all in favor of his state hosting the NSA facility.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

If the Obama administration is spying, it must be for our own good. On the other hand, if Bush did it, well, that's different at least according to liberals.

Shimlau
SAINT GEORGE, UT

Mark, it will happen when enough people take a great enough interest that the politicians can see the possibility of loosing their jobs (as in elections).

cjb
Bountiful, UT

If you had a choice would you rather enter a lottery where first prize was getting your foot blown off or would you rather than the NSA read your emails on occasion?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

CHS 85,
Whether there's a facility in Lehi or not is irrelevant. There wasn't a facility in Lehi when this happened.

If there's no building in Lehi the data would just be stored somewhere else. I don't see why the obsession with the facility in Lehi. It's not just used for this program. It's used for all kinds of things. Many of them good things that save American lives.

It seems like you think the facility is the problem, or that the building is bad or something. It's the program, not the building, or the location in Utah.

I'm against this surveillance program, but I'm not against the building in Lehi. I don't see that as inconsistent in the least. I think the facility in Lehi will do a lot of good for the United States. Just this program isn't wrong-headed.

This program could go away and the facility in Lehi would still be needed.

I suspect Herbert is STILL for the NSA building in Lehi (even with his misgivings about this program).

Sorry Charlie!
SLC, UT

@mountainman

were exactly do you get that idea from any of the comments or article? Please stop the straw men arguments. Liberal including the ACLU have been complaining since 9/11 about spying on Americans to bad it took so long for people like you to catch up.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@2 bits

"I can easily see overly ambitious politicians using the same program to get an advantage on political opponents (ala the IRS scandal)."

Actually that's not what happened, the IRS also targeted progressive groups and the only group denied the tax exempt status was a liberal one.

Technically based on the law, none of those political groups on both sides of the aisle should've gotten tax exempt status so the real scandal should be why the IRS wasn't harsher on everyone.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@atl134

The tax exemption rule is unconstitutional and un-American.

Political speech is constitutionally protected right, for everyone and every group, and is the whole purpose and sole reason of the part of 1st amendment concerning speech.

IRS shouldn't be targeting anyone.

And the federal government definitely should NOT be spying on the American people, to any degree, not without a warrant.

JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
Beverly Hills, CA

Conservatives 2002 with Republican President: We must protect this country. You are with us or against us. Go NSA, protect us! Surveillance is patriotism!

Conservatives 2013 with Democrat President: We have been violated! What about the Consitution?

Conservatives 2013 if Romney had won: We must protect this country. You are with us or against us. Go NSA, protect us! Surveillance is patriotism!

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"If the Obama administration is spying, it must be for our own good. On the other hand, if Bush did it, well, that's different at least according to liberals."

Mtnman,

It is refreshing to know that you have no double standard like those "liberals"

Personally, that is how I define a partisan. It that easy to spot double standard.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"IRS shouldn't be targeting anyone."

Agreed. And no group should get tax exempt status. That would solve everything.

DOM
Ivins, UT

Whoa, how long ago was that???? If you were doing something wrong your targeted. Unfortunately, the don't have a sign saying "I'm a terrorist, just watch me only" balloon atop of there head. Please everybody who is doing bad, call the NSA so they can watch you only. Good grief people.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@JoeBlow

Any group that is a non-profit organization should and can be tax exempt.

Any organization that is for profit obviously should not be exempt.

But speech should NEVER be a criteria.

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