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Sen. Lee fields questions about Obamacare stance at Spanish Fork meeting

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  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 24, 2013 8:10 a.m.

    The Senator should resign if he fails to stop the Affordable Health Care Act. He could not accept his government health care that would go on if he gets rid of the act. Live by tea party principals, go down when they fail.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Aug. 23, 2013 4:29 p.m.

    If congress can't stop Obeymecare, that will be proof positive that they're entirely ineffectual and clearly unable to do anything meaningful to ensure the survival of this country and its economy. I have worked closely with the medical ("health") insurance situation and with all levels of government for 1/3 of a century, and I can guaranty you that this bill is entirely unworkable and extremely destructive in very many ways. People should have known that when so many said they'd have to actually pass it before finding out what's actually in it. SOMEONE had better do something constructive to stop this disaster soon; this bill is definitely NOT the answer to anything we want to see.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Aug. 23, 2013 12:53 a.m.

    During the 90's I was a Republican. I supported the plan that is now Romneycare/Obamacare. Health insurance providers still make plenty of money and people are being covered who were not before. Preventive care is much cheaper than Medicaid ER and hospital stays.

    Instead of celebrating that the plan which Republicans came up with passed, they are fighting against it and it will harm Americans. Lee will benefit from this health plan as he tries to stop it with ZERO plan to replace it with anything.

    Why doesn't he have a plan to replace it? BECAUSE IT IS A REPUBLICAN PLAN. One of many reason I left the GOP.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 6:56 p.m.

    mike lee fields question at SF meeting...

    Questions from like minded people...

    Answers to those like minded people who expect and are not disappointed by the answers...

    Perfect.

    But wait...

    "...He (lee) said those who bring up the term "shutdown" show they’re willing to shut down the government “if we don’t give them what they want, and I say that’s not fair...”.

    The irony in that quote is just special...political manna from Heaven.

    And then...

    "...Samantha Jensen, a 15-year-old from Spanish Fork, asked, "If you don't want a shutdown, why are you proposing a bill that will do just that, that will shut down the government if they don't defund Obamacare?"...".

    Thank you Samatha!

    Bless you for your outstanding courage!

    And how does lee respond...

    lee "...responded by saying he has "never, ever, ever proposed a shutdown" and that he is proposing the opposite...".

    And thank you mike lee for taking DN readers as well as Spanish Fork listeners through the looking glass to visit the alternative world of mike lee political speech.

    Jabberwocky indeed.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 6:31 p.m.

    The republicans can not put forth a plan, until the monolithic mess that is obamacare is undone.

    One thing at a time done in the proper order.

  • MemoFromA Demo SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 6:21 p.m.

    To Tyler D.

    You write: "Let me get this straight – you (Lee) propose picking and choosing what parts of the government to shut down (e.g., the ACA),..."

    Tyler, don't you get it? The government is broke, and Senator Lee is one of the few statesmen who is willing to stand up and do something about it. We can't afford Obama Care! We can't afford it! Don't you get it? Our country is broke and fortunately Senator Lee is recognizes that we need to pick and choose what parts of government to shut down. We shouldn't be in the buying mode, -- which we are doing by funding Obama Care, -- we should be in the price cutting mode. Right now we're spending over a trillion dollars a year more money than what we take in. Obama Care will only add to that deficit spending!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 22, 2013 6:07 p.m.

    Yes country mom

    Blame the liberals. That is easy and probably makes you feel better knowing that the GOP doesnt get bribed by the insurance companies.

    Im not defending the liberals. but, the gop is just as guilty.

    But, they dont have to worry about you. They have you snookered into thinking if everyone votes "R", all will be ok.

    Sleep well.

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    It is not conservatives who pushed Obamacare through.

    Nancy and her crew of cronies and Obama himself are the people that came up with this new tax. They are the ones who made a deal with the devil and bartered away our right to choose.

    It was and is the Liberals that want us to accept this load of crap law.

    It is the Liberals that created the debt that is owed to these huge insurance companies.

    How do you feel about them all, Obama included, making massive amounts of money from all of us?

    How do you feel about insurance companies have a greater influence on our political leaders then any one or anything else in this nation?

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Aug. 22, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    If we put a cap on jury awards, then sat back expecting insurance premiums to drop, I suspect we'd be waiting a looonnnggg time.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 22, 2013 3:02 p.m.

    country mom.

    Seriously?

    Do you understand that Obamacare was not intended to replace those who get their insurance through their companies.

    It was meant to deal with the percentage of Americans who currently DO NOT have coverage.

    It was not meant for congress. It was not meant for Exxon Mobile employees.

    Then, you want the government to regulate the premiums.

    I can just imagine the conniption that the right would throw if your desires were included.

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 2:23 p.m.

    I really do not know what to say to those of you who do not realize that most of our national debt is owned by US insurance companies.
    Please look into the actual split of who we owe all those trillions of dollars to.
    Obamacare was never designed to eliminate the need for health insurance, as a matter of fact ,it was passed as a farce, to force us all to get health insurance and to make the working class cover every one else.
    It is a massive new tax that feeds directly into the mouths of US insurance companies. Unlike Auto Insurance, Obamacare is for everyone no matter who. It could work with 3 simple changes to the law.
    1. EVERYONE must have it. No exceptions! Not the government and its employees, not big business, not unions, no one can be exempt ever. Not even the President!
    2. There must be a cap on premiums. The insurance companies must be treated like utility companies and gain approval from a congressional board for any premium rate hikes.
    3. Tort reform must be passed. Limiting liability on doctors and hospitals.

    They're forcing the working class to fund health care for everyone.

  • verum peto Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 1:54 p.m.

    Everyone is trying to find fault with our Senator with him not having a town hall meeting in Salt Lake County. But the real fault lies with Senator Hatch who refuses to have any town hall meetings. Imagine the public outcry that we would hear from the Hatch town hall meetings.
    But unfortunately the editorial board of the Deseret News would rather conveniently leave that part out and structure the dialogue to the activity of Senator Lee and not on the inactivity of Senator Hatch.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Aug. 22, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    To "readerman" you realize that the hugely inflated costs at the hospital and Doctor's offices are due to liability.

    Doctors pay anywhere from $17,000/yr to $180,000 year for malpractice insurance for themselves.

    Actually prior to Obamacare most states were under HIPPAA (1996) that mandated reasonable waiting periods for people seeking insurance when they had pre-existing conditions. Those with uninsurable pre-existing conditions were sent to a state or federal high risk pool. The ACA did not create that, it was done 20 years ago by the Feds, and even longer ago by states.

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 1:08 p.m.

    I am wondering why so many of you support Obamacare?
    It is a mess, a massive economic mess for this country.
    Obama has exempted big business, congress, senate, himself, the supremes and the unions. Not even the IRS, who are supposed to implement Obamacare want to be subject to it.
    So as usual, small businesses and individuals take the brunt of this crappy law.
    If they actually wanted to make it Affordable, why didn't they cap premiums?

  • readerman pleasant grove, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    I get how it's tempting to say the free market fix healthcare by itself. But demand for healthcare doesn't follow market trends. It's different.

    Prices are artificially high and rising--$50 for tissue? Seems like a lot, but we shrug it off because insurance covers it.

    Without Obamacare, preexisting conditions and other loopholes leave the most vulnerable of us slipping through the cracks, relying on things like neighborhood yard sales and penny boxes at gas station cash registers to help pay for needed treatment. And essential things like preventative care are out of reach for many, so they wait until serious problems send them to understaffed emergency rooms.

    Many of the complaints targeted against Obamacare are driven by organizations funded by massive corporations that benefited from the pre-Obamacare chaos. The individuals behind this push make enough to be their own insurance providers. Yet the working poor do their rallying for them.

    Sure, there are other ways to fix healthcare, but it's amazing what Obamacare's been able to accomplish even against the obstructionists in the house. Since they have no ideas of their own, why not use it as a starting point and build from there?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Aug. 22, 2013 12:32 p.m.

    The GOP would be have much more credibility if they put ACTUAL legislation forward concerning health care reform.

    They keep screaming REPEAL and REPLACE, but have not produced the replacement.

    If they actually have better ideas, lets see them, in the form of legislation. Until then, it just reminds me of Romney (I will balance the budget, cut taxes and increase military spending.. How? I will tell you once elected)

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    Aug. 22, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    this Lee guy doesn't have a plan that'll work. The ACA has many good points, requires all of us to buy insurance, requires insurance companies to cover all applicants, and helps the low income person purchase insurance. Lee's plan?? drop it all, don't modify, don't have a civil debate about pros and cons of Lee's plan??. Lee continues to be an embarassment to Utah voters. Lee's Republican friends in Washington are moving away from Lee over his plan?? to shut down the gov't. Lee, come up with some constructive points to improve the ACA or to improve the health insurance system in the US, that Congress will pass, that's how our representative democracy works.
    Make no mistake, Lee wants to shut down the gov't, whether over this ACA matter or whether over the upcoming debate over the debt ceiling. think that was an unintended pun . . .

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    @atl134
    That is ignorant. Third world countries are "third world" for a reason. They do not have free markets and the government runs most everything.

    Also, your point about Papa Johns is only half-baked. Companies won't only raise prices, but, as we are seeing, they will cut employment. Part-time will become the new full-time under ObamaCare as more and more companies will cut employee hours so as to not have to pay for insurance.

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    Tyler D: "Let me know when the Republican Party is sane again…"

    It may be decades before this happens. I am amazed at how inept the republicans are at capitalizing on opportunities. They alienated minority voters in 2012, and lost. Now they are still battling internally on immigration, etc when it is obvious where the majority of the country is.

    When republicans can offer alternative solutions instead of threats, rhetoric, and nonsense, they may be able to make a difference. Senator Lee is not offering a solution, he is offering what the republicans always offer; delays, inaction, and obstructionism painted as "principled debate".

    BTW - The ACA was patterned after Romney's plan that was implemented in MA. So a republican is threatening to shut down the government over a medical insurance plan that was developed by republicans. Hurts my head to think about this.....

  • redshirt007 tranquility base, 00
    Aug. 22, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    The ACA isn't a great idea because it came from republicans. We could try a liberal idea - for once.

    Canada spends half as much as wee do and covers everyone. When you talk to Canadians they never want OUR medical care or system. Never. In fact, many Canadians won't step foot in the US because of it.

  • DougB Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    Senator Lee is doing precisely the things that he promised when he campaigned. He travels the State often, makes himself available to regular citizens, listens, and sometimes even changes his opinion based on more complete information.

    He has remained opposed to the pending implementation of Obamacare not because of grandstanding but because of major problems in its pragmatic implementation. I appreciate Lee and his hard work to offer true representation, deep study, and meaningful action in his service.

    I wish I could say half as much about our other Senator who truly does grandstand, does not make himself available, and rarely studies any issues unless massive pressures force him to actually look up what he claims to support (example given: his ridiculously unpopular stance on various proposed legislation to allow the Federal government more unilateral control to seize and shutdown internet websites where he finally did some basic research and publicly recanted in order to get re-elected.)

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Aug. 22, 2013 11:17 a.m.

    Lee must know that there is no way for him to keep ACA from becoming the law of the land, which even the Supreme Court agrees it is. The town meeting crowd are just props whose image will be recycled in the next campaign.

    How long will it be before the GOP becomes a giant tent containing three old guys, each of whom sees the other two as either "RINOS" or "anti-constitution"? Each day we're a little closer.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    Ignorance of liberty is not an excuse for peddling untruths. Although our once 'free market' economy has turned into crony capatilism, to say that third world economies run on a free market is about as ignorant a statement of truth as I've ever read. Third world countries no more have free market economies than the moon has cheese. Wake up America! Education would be a good place to begin.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    Sounds like his GOP "handlers" have toned down his rhetoric...

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    Sad when something that keeps millions of people alive, ruins "your business".
    Wondering about your other priorities....

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    Aug. 22, 2013 10:28 a.m.

    Lets please help senator Lee to stop Obamacare. It is the worst idea in American history.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Aug. 22, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    Let me get this straight – you (Lee) propose picking and choosing what parts of the government to shut down (e.g., the ACA) , and then when this hostage taking tactic is not agreed to by everyone else, you lay the blame for shutting down the government on them?
    Is this what passes for logic in the Tea Party?

    The disdain Senator Lee shows for the democratic process is apparent. Rather than try to win in the marketplace of ideas, he resorts to these sophomoric tactics to get his way, and couches the entire effort in patriotism and the flag… amazing!

    Let me know when the Republican Party is sane again…

  • Meadow Lark Mark IDAHO FALLS, ID
    Aug. 22, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    A company I'm familiar with, one of the company's owners told me that they would see how the first year of Omamacare goes then they will probably discontinue all insurance offered with the company. Doesn't that sound just wonderful!? This is what Obamacaare is going to do to our country. Companies are looking at this and stopping insurance coverage. So we will have to select the government option. Also this company owner said that it would affect the full-time/part-time status of employees. I know this is just one company. If this company is thinking of these kinds of things then how many others are thinking of doing the same thing. I've said this before and I'm still saying the same thing. OBAMACARE is going to ruin our businesses and our country. We already have coverage for the poor (Medicaid) and the rich have the money to take care of themselves. Yes we needed help for the middle class who fall through the cracks, but OBAMACARE is going to ruin our country. Go Senator Lee. Try to defund the law. Someone needs to do something.

  • MemoFromA Demo SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    To Iron Rod:

    We all know why Hatch isn’t out listening and talking with the people in town hall meetings. He’s too busy serving as Senate Finance Chairman, working closely with our newly elected President, Mitt Romney. After all, isn’t that what he told us he’d be doing, spending millions and millions of dollars pleading to elect him for another six more years?

    Wait a minute! Hey, I just realized that Hatch isn’t serving in the powerful position as Senate Finance Chairman, as he campaigned he would do. Ohh! And he isn’t working along side President Romney to “restore America as a land of opportunity and prosperity”, as he promised. Hatch snookered us with hollow promises, ... and we voted for the “old bird” again!! Why would anyone want to attend a town hall meeting with Hatch?

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    I hope Lee succeeds in shutting down the govt. Then GOP loses big in 2014 and Congress can do what they should've done in the first place--extend Medicare to everyone. No more "big insurance" telling us what we can and can't afford when we're sick. No more giant CEO salaries in health insurance companies (e.g. United Healthcare, biggest CEO salary in the solar system).

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    @LindonMan
    "3-A pure free market system in health care is what this country needs. "

    Absolutely not. That's the worst thing imaginable, that's why NOBODY in the world other than third world nations with life expectancies around 50 do that.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    @LindonMan
    "1-For those who do support ObamaCare, I do not want to hear any complaining from you when you cannot find work in the private sector and your family is hurting. "

    The Papa Johns CEO noted that Obamacare, if fully passing on the costs to the customers, would force him to increase prices 14-17 cents a pie. That's really not a big price increase on items that cost around 8-10 dollars each (it's 2%).

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    Mike Lee is doing what he promised when he was elected! He is fighting big government and the Affordable Care Act. He is a strong advocate and supporter of upholding Constitutional principles and rights. Thank you, Senator Lee; we support your efforts 100%. Even at the end of the article, the dummies get it wrong and state that he wants to shut down government. The liberal media fans the falsehood of this idea. We need to defund Obamacare and keep the government running.

    If you haven't picked up a copy of Mark Levin's new book, "The Liberty Amendments" which outlines how the states will have to get involved and step up, to save our Union, pick one up and start your education. This is a "what we can do about this mess" book! Well written.

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    Aug. 22, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    Smart for Senator Lee to keep on fielding.
    It is quite apparent that he is unable to hit a home run.

  • Moabmom Moab, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    I wish we had more representatives in DC and at the state level who have respect for the Constitution and have the moral backbone to stand up to unconstitutional . progressive policies that Senator Lee has shown. He is doing exactly what he was elected to do....stand up for us and fight the progressive machine that is destroying this nation. Just the fact that he is holding face to face town halls across the state speaks volumes about his character and integrity. Matheson and Hatch??........both are more concerned with their image of prestige the office brings, their big out of state donors, and the lobbyists than they are with the people who elected them. ,

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Aug. 22, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    "Lee responded by saying he would like to enact a continuing resolution into law that would keep the government funded but cut Obamacare. “A lot of people have blatantly mischaracterized it as a shutdown threat,” Lee said. “It is not.”

    What is Lee offering?

    a) Pass the continuing resolution cutting Obamacare OR

    b) no continuing resolution to keep the govt funded?

    Lee is dishonestly trying to have it both ways. Republicans only have the majority in the House, not the Senate, not the Presidency. Hostage taking is not governing.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    Did anyone notice the pictures section- very old and very white- clearly Spanish Fork is the face of modern America- perhaps the pictures explain more about the Lee message than anything else- it appeared the only young person in the room was holding a sign against Lee's position- interesting

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    I'm guessing that if Esquire lived in the 1700's he'd be saying the same about our Founding Fathers. Anyways, just a few points:

    1-For those who do support ObamaCare, I do not want to hear any complaining from you when you cannot find work in the private sector and your family is hurting.

    2-The problem with big government and their "economic" policies is that they fail to consider the secondary effects, and the things that won't happen because of a bill.

    3-A pure free market system in health care is what this country needs. Those who will say I'm wrong, cannot be sure, because all we've seen thus far is crony capitalism in the health industry. By freeing up the system doctors will have to compete by offering better care and lower prices. Insurance (like car insurance) will then only be necessary for big procedures and surgeries.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    Senator Lee is at odds with the world.

    He loves a good camera fest.

    He is at odds with his own party in Washigington. Means that unless Washington agrees 100% to do things Utah's way that Lee will be not useful to the voters in this state. And for that to happen. Sorry senator we sent you to the capital to help the state not to grind your own personal agenda.

    Poor decision on our part.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    It is truly amazing, but not surprising, to watch the people who want big government complain when private enterprise not providing the work necessary to support families. The Republicans and Democrats are for the most part people who don't have a clue as to the proper role and function of government and love the status quo. Democrats and Republicans want the rich to get richer, the powerful to become more powerful, and the slavish peasant class to do the heavy lifting. They lack integrity, conviction, and patriotism. Obamacare is Socialism from the ground up. The rich and powerful could care less about the peasants and as long as they can give them a few crumbs(health care the latest) and keep them quiet (while stealing their labor). The ruling political class is quite happy about it all, while the great mass of men and women are defrauded from their dreams and rights as citizens of this great country. Thank you Senator Lee, who is warming up as one of the great patriots this country has ever had.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 8:11 a.m.

    Blocking Obamacare is vital. It is ill-conceived and fraught with unintended consequences.
    It will join Social Security, the prescription drug plan, Medicare and Medicaid as unsustainable government programs.
    Lee is right to find a way to stop it before it does more damage.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    Pretty sad tht Lee has to misrepresent the ACA. Once, just once, I would like to see a constructive proposal come from him. If he doesn't like it, what is his proposal? He has nothing. He is nothing but a petulant obstructionist who, along with his other Tea Partt Senators is dismissive of the Constitution and the will of the people. If they can't have their way, they will deliberately destroy the country and the economy. Nothing of value is coming from them - no ideas to move us forward. Zip. Nada. The far right wing is out to destroy the country, and Mike Lee is one of the ring leaders.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 6:40 a.m.

    Mr. Obama ran for president in 2007, stating he would reform health care. And he was elected in 2008. No surprises then with what he has tried to do. And then was re-elected. The Affordable Care Act is not perfect and will be adjusted in the future as needed.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 5:50 a.m.

    Farmington - Aug 28th.

    Great?!, my wife and I's 28th anniversary.
    I had so wished I could be there and grilled him myself...

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Aug. 22, 2013 5:19 a.m.

    Iron Rod asked "Can anyone tell me when our Senator Hatch has held his last town hall meeting with real people in attendance?"

    From a quick search - the most recent I was able to find was in December at WSU.

    Like Iron Rod - I don't support the tactic being taken by Lee, trying to defund a law passed. You fix the law, you don't just defund what you view is a bad law. That aside, I do respect Lee's passion. May never support the man, but do admire his drive and his passion. Then again, never say never as you just never know just how bad the alternative option to Lee could be. I might even support the occasional issue Lee stands for..... this is just not one of them.

    Fix the law.... do the hard work. This is just the easy path of grandstanding for the public.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 22, 2013 4:08 a.m.

    Does the Senator have any ideas for what he would like to replace it with under the dream scenario of being able to repeal the Affordable Care Act? We used to hear a lot of GOP talk about "Repeal & Replace" but they never got around to saying what they'd replace it with. I'm personally not the biggest fan of ObamaCare, but it is certainly better than what we had before.

  • dansimp Layton, UT
    Aug. 21, 2013 11:50 p.m.

    So, you prefer a Senator that just makes bad decisions, but at least shows up to tell the people he will continue to make bad decisions?

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 21, 2013 11:18 p.m.

    I agree with Iron Rod about Sen. Hatch. Where are his town hall meetings.....oh, I forgot; he will not be up for re-election again and if he is it will be 5+ years from now! Come on Senator Hatch.....where are you? RE Senator Lee's efforts to defund Obamacare, I say Bravo! Keep up the good work! The government shutdown is a Cunard and would only happen if the dems cause it by not passing a continuing resolution that defunds Obamacare. Too many Republican office holders (plus Romney) have fallen for that ruse.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 21, 2013 10:29 p.m.

    Although I do not support his position on Obama Care at least he is holding town hall meetings.
    Can anyone tell me when our Senator Hatch has held his last town hall meeting with real people in attendance? Telephone town halls do not cut it.

    Also when was the last time Rep Mathison has had an actual town hall meeting with real people in attendance?