The Senator should resign if he fails to stop the Affordable Health Care Act. He
could not accept his government health care that would go on if he gets rid of
the act. Live by tea party principals, go down when they fail.
If congress can't stop Obeymecare, that will be proof positive that
they're entirely ineffectual and clearly unable to do anything meaningful
to ensure the survival of this country and its economy. I have worked closely
with the medical ("health") insurance situation and with all levels of
government for 1/3 of a century, and I can guaranty you that this bill is
entirely unworkable and extremely destructive in very many ways. People should
have known that when so many said they'd have to actually pass it before
finding out what's actually in it. SOMEONE had better do something
constructive to stop this disaster soon; this bill is definitely NOT the answer
to anything we want to see.
During the 90's I was a Republican. I supported the plan that is now
Romneycare/Obamacare. Health insurance providers still make plenty of money and
people are being covered who were not before. Preventive care is much cheaper
than Medicaid ER and hospital stays.Instead of celebrating that the
plan which Republicans came up with passed, they are fighting against it and it
will harm Americans. Lee will benefit from this health plan as he tries to stop
it with ZERO plan to replace it with anything.Why doesn't he
have a plan to replace it? BECAUSE IT IS A REPUBLICAN PLAN. One of many reason I
left the GOP.
mike lee fields question at SF meeting...Questions from like minded
people...Answers to those like minded people who expect and are not
disappointed by the answers...Perfect.But wait..."...He (lee) said those who bring up the term "shutdown"
show they’re willing to shut down the government “if we don’t
give them what they want, and I say that’s not fair...”.The irony in that quote is just special...political manna from Heaven.And then..."...Samantha Jensen, a 15-year-old from
Spanish Fork, asked, "If you don't want a shutdown, why are you
proposing a bill that will do just that, that will shut down the government if
they don't defund Obamacare?"...".Thank you Samatha!Bless you for your outstanding courage!And how does lee
respond...lee "...responded by saying he has "never, ever,
ever proposed a shutdown" and that he is proposing the opposite...".And thank you mike lee for taking DN readers as well as Spanish Fork
listeners through the looking glass to visit the alternative world of mike lee
political speech.Jabberwocky indeed.
The republicans can not put forth a plan, until the monolithic mess that is
obamacare is undone.One thing at a time done in the proper order.
To Tyler D.You write: "Let me get this straight – you
(Lee) propose picking and choosing what parts of the government to shut down
(e.g., the ACA),..."Tyler, don't you get it? The
government is broke, and Senator Lee is one of the few statesmen who is willing
to stand up and do something about it. We can't afford Obama Care! We
can't afford it! Don't you get it? Our country is broke and
fortunately Senator Lee is recognizes that we need to pick and choose what parts
of government to shut down. We shouldn't be in the buying mode, -- which
we are doing by funding Obama Care, -- we should be in the price cutting mode.
Right now we're spending over a trillion dollars a year more money than
what we take in. Obama Care will only add to that deficit spending!
Yes country momBlame the liberals. That is easy and probably makes
you feel better knowing that the GOP doesnt get bribed by the insurance
companies.Im not defending the liberals. but, the gop is just as
guilty.But, they dont have to worry about you. They have you
snookered into thinking if everyone votes "R", all will be ok.Sleep well.
It is not conservatives who pushed Obamacare through.Nancy and her
crew of cronies and Obama himself are the people that came up with this new tax.
They are the ones who made a deal with the devil and bartered away our right to
choose.It was and is the Liberals that want us to accept this load
of crap law.It is the Liberals that created the debt that is owed to
these huge insurance companies.How do you feel about them all, Obama
included, making massive amounts of money from all of us? How do you
feel about insurance companies have a greater influence on our political leaders
then any one or anything else in this nation?
If we put a cap on jury awards, then sat back expecting insurance premiums to
drop, I suspect we'd be waiting a looonnnggg time.
country mom. Seriously?Do you understand that Obamacare
was not intended to replace those who get their insurance through their
companies.It was meant to deal with the percentage of Americans who
currently DO NOT have coverage.It was not meant for congress. It
was not meant for Exxon Mobile employees.Then, you want the
government to regulate the premiums.I can just imagine the
conniption that the right would throw if your desires were included.
I really do not know what to say to those of you who do not realize that most of
our national debt is owned by US insurance companies. Please look into the
actual split of who we owe all those trillions of dollars to.Obamacare was
never designed to eliminate the need for health insurance, as a matter of fact
,it was passed as a farce, to force us all to get health insurance and to make
the working class cover every one else. It is a massive new tax that feeds
directly into the mouths of US insurance companies. Unlike Auto Insurance,
Obamacare is for everyone no matter who. It could work with 3 simple changes to
the law. 1. EVERYONE must have it. No exceptions! Not the government and
its employees, not big business, not unions, no one can be exempt ever. Not even
the President!2. There must be a cap on premiums. The insurance companies
must be treated like utility companies and gain approval from a congressional
board for any premium rate hikes.3. Tort reform must be passed. Limiting
liability on doctors and hospitals.They're forcing the working
class to fund health care for everyone.
Everyone is trying to find fault with our Senator with him not having a town
hall meeting in Salt Lake County. But the real fault lies with Senator Hatch who
refuses to have any town hall meetings. Imagine the public outcry that we would
hear from the Hatch town hall meetings.But unfortunately the editorial
board of the Deseret News would rather conveniently leave that part out and
structure the dialogue to the activity of Senator Lee and not on the inactivity
of Senator Hatch.
To "readerman" you realize that the hugely inflated costs at the
hospital and Doctor's offices are due to liability.Doctors pay
anywhere from $17,000/yr to $180,000 year for malpractice insurance for
themselves.Actually prior to Obamacare most states were under HIPPAA
(1996) that mandated reasonable waiting periods for people seeking insurance
when they had pre-existing conditions. Those with uninsurable pre-existing
conditions were sent to a state or federal high risk pool. The ACA did not
create that, it was done 20 years ago by the Feds, and even longer ago by
I am wondering why so many of you support Obamacare? It is a mess, a
massive economic mess for this country.Obama has exempted big business,
congress, senate, himself, the supremes and the unions. Not even the IRS, who
are supposed to implement Obamacare want to be subject to it.So as usual,
small businesses and individuals take the brunt of this crappy law.If they
actually wanted to make it Affordable, why didn't they cap premiums?
I get how it's tempting to say the free market fix healthcare by itself.
But demand for healthcare doesn't follow market trends. It's
different.Prices are artificially high and rising--$50 for tissue?
Seems like a lot, but we shrug it off because insurance covers it. Without Obamacare, preexisting conditions and other loopholes leave the most
vulnerable of us slipping through the cracks, relying on things like
neighborhood yard sales and penny boxes at gas station cash registers to help
pay for needed treatment. And essential things like preventative care are out of
reach for many, so they wait until serious problems send them to understaffed
emergency rooms.Many of the complaints targeted against Obamacare
are driven by organizations funded by massive corporations that benefited from
the pre-Obamacare chaos. The individuals behind this push make enough to be
their own insurance providers. Yet the working poor do their rallying for
them.Sure, there are other ways to fix healthcare, but it's
amazing what Obamacare's been able to accomplish even against the
obstructionists in the house. Since they have no ideas of their own, why not use
it as a starting point and build from there?
The GOP would be have much more credibility if they put ACTUAL legislation
forward concerning health care reform.They keep screaming REPEAL and
REPLACE, but have not produced the replacement.If they actually have
better ideas, lets see them, in the form of legislation. Until then, it just
reminds me of Romney (I will balance the budget, cut taxes and increase military
spending.. How? I will tell you once elected)
this Lee guy doesn't have a plan that'll work. The ACA has many good
points, requires all of us to buy insurance, requires insurance companies to
cover all applicants, and helps the low income person purchase insurance.
Lee's plan?? drop it all, don't modify, don't have a civil
debate about pros and cons of Lee's plan??. Lee continues to be an
embarassment to Utah voters. Lee's Republican friends in Washington are
moving away from Lee over his plan?? to shut down the gov't. Lee, come up
with some constructive points to improve the ACA or to improve the health
insurance system in the US, that Congress will pass, that's how our
representative democracy works.Make no mistake, Lee wants to shut down the
gov't, whether over this ACA matter or whether over the upcoming debate
over the debt ceiling. think that was an unintended pun . . .
@atl134That is ignorant. Third world countries are "third world"
for a reason. They do not have free markets and the government runs most
everything.Also, your point about Papa Johns is only half-baked.
Companies won't only raise prices, but, as we are seeing, they will cut
employment. Part-time will become the new full-time under ObamaCare as more and
more companies will cut employee hours so as to not have to pay for insurance.
Tyler D: "Let me know when the Republican Party is sane
again…"It may be decades before this happens. I am amazed
at how inept the republicans are at capitalizing on opportunities. They
alienated minority voters in 2012, and lost. Now they are still battling
internally on immigration, etc when it is obvious where the majority of the
country is.When republicans can offer alternative solutions instead
of threats, rhetoric, and nonsense, they may be able to make a difference.
Senator Lee is not offering a solution, he is offering what the republicans
always offer; delays, inaction, and obstructionism painted as "principled
debate".BTW - The ACA was patterned after Romney's plan
that was implemented in MA. So a republican is threatening to shut down the
government over a medical insurance plan that was developed by republicans.
Hurts my head to think about this.....
The ACA isn't a great idea because it came from republicans. We could try a
liberal idea - for once.Canada spends half as much as wee do and
covers everyone. When you talk to Canadians they never want OUR medical care or
system. Never. In fact, many Canadians won't step foot in the US because of
Senator Lee is doing precisely the things that he promised when he campaigned.
He travels the State often, makes himself available to regular citizens,
listens, and sometimes even changes his opinion based on more complete
information.He has remained opposed to the pending implementation of
Obamacare not because of grandstanding but because of major problems in its
pragmatic implementation. I appreciate Lee and his hard work to offer true
representation, deep study, and meaningful action in his service.I
wish I could say half as much about our other Senator who truly does grandstand,
does not make himself available, and rarely studies any issues unless massive
pressures force him to actually look up what he claims to support (example
given: his ridiculously unpopular stance on various proposed legislation to
allow the Federal government more unilateral control to seize and shutdown
internet websites where he finally did some basic research and publicly recanted
in order to get re-elected.)
Lee must know that there is no way for him to keep ACA from becoming the law of
the land, which even the Supreme Court agrees it is. The town meeting crowd are
just props whose image will be recycled in the next campaign.How
long will it be before the GOP becomes a giant tent containing three old guys,
each of whom sees the other two as either "RINOS" or
"anti-constitution"? Each day we're a little closer.
Ignorance of liberty is not an excuse for peddling untruths. Although our once
'free market' economy has turned into crony capatilism, to say that
third world economies run on a free market is about as ignorant a statement of
truth as I've ever read. Third world countries no more have free market
economies than the moon has cheese. Wake up America! Education would be a good
place to begin.
Sounds like his GOP "handlers" have toned down his rhetoric...
Sad when something that keeps millions of people alive, ruins "your
business".Wondering about your other priorities....
Lets please help senator Lee to stop Obamacare. It is the worst idea in American
Let me get this straight – you (Lee) propose picking and choosing what
parts of the government to shut down (e.g., the ACA) , and then when this
hostage taking tactic is not agreed to by everyone else, you lay the blame for
shutting down the government on them?Is this what passes for logic in the
Tea Party?The disdain Senator Lee shows for the democratic process
is apparent. Rather than try to win in the marketplace of ideas, he resorts to
these sophomoric tactics to get his way, and couches the entire effort in
patriotism and the flag… amazing! Let me know when the
Republican Party is sane again…
A company I'm familiar with, one of the company's owners told me that
they would see how the first year of Omamacare goes then they will probably
discontinue all insurance offered with the company. Doesn't that sound
just wonderful!? This is what Obamacaare is going to do to our country.
Companies are looking at this and stopping insurance coverage. So we will have
to select the government option. Also this company owner said that it would
affect the full-time/part-time status of employees. I know this is just one
company. If this company is thinking of these kinds of things then how many
others are thinking of doing the same thing. I've said this before and
I'm still saying the same thing. OBAMACARE is going to ruin our businesses
and our country. We already have coverage for the poor (Medicaid) and the rich
have the money to take care of themselves. Yes we needed help for the middle
class who fall through the cracks, but OBAMACARE is going to ruin our country.
Go Senator Lee. Try to defund the law. Someone needs to do something.
To Iron Rod:We all know why Hatch isn’t out listening and
talking with the people in town hall meetings. He’s too busy serving as
Senate Finance Chairman, working closely with our newly elected President, Mitt
Romney. After all, isn’t that what he told us he’d be doing,
spending millions and millions of dollars pleading to elect him for another six
more years? Wait a minute! Hey, I just realized that Hatch
isn’t serving in the powerful position as Senate Finance Chairman, as he
campaigned he would do. Ohh! And he isn’t working along side President
Romney to “restore America as a land of opportunity and prosperity”,
as he promised. Hatch snookered us with hollow promises, ... and we voted for
the “old bird” again!! Why would anyone want to attend a town hall
meeting with Hatch?
I hope Lee succeeds in shutting down the govt. Then GOP loses big in 2014 and
Congress can do what they should've done in the first place--extend
Medicare to everyone. No more "big insurance" telling us what we can and
can't afford when we're sick. No more giant CEO salaries in health
insurance companies (e.g. United Healthcare, biggest CEO salary in the solar
@LindonMan"3-A pure free market system in health care is what this
country needs. "Absolutely not. That's the worst thing
imaginable, that's why NOBODY in the world other than third world nations
with life expectancies around 50 do that.
@LindonMan"1-For those who do support ObamaCare, I do not want to hear
any complaining from you when you cannot find work in the private sector and
your family is hurting. "The Papa Johns CEO noted that
Obamacare, if fully passing on the costs to the customers, would force him to
increase prices 14-17 cents a pie. That's really not a big price increase
on items that cost around 8-10 dollars each (it's 2%).
Mike Lee is doing what he promised when he was elected! He is fighting big
government and the Affordable Care Act. He is a strong advocate and supporter of
upholding Constitutional principles and rights. Thank you, Senator Lee; we
support your efforts 100%. Even at the end of the article, the dummies get it
wrong and state that he wants to shut down government. The liberal media fans
the falsehood of this idea. We need to defund Obamacare and keep the government
running.If you haven't picked up a copy of Mark Levin's
new book, "The Liberty Amendments" which outlines how the states will
have to get involved and step up, to save our Union, pick one up and start your
education. This is a "what we can do about this mess" book! Well
Smart for Senator Lee to keep on fielding.It is quite apparent that he is
unable to hit a home run.
I wish we had more representatives in DC and at the state level who have respect
for the Constitution and have the moral backbone to stand up to
unconstitutional . progressive policies that Senator Lee has shown. He is doing
exactly what he was elected to do....stand up for us and fight the progressive
machine that is destroying this nation. Just the fact that he is holding face to
face town halls across the state speaks volumes about his character and
integrity. Matheson and Hatch??........both are more concerned with their image
of prestige the office brings, their big out of state donors, and the lobbyists
than they are with the people who elected them. ,
"Lee responded by saying he would like to enact a continuing resolution into
law that would keep the government funded but cut Obamacare. “A lot of
people have blatantly mischaracterized it as a shutdown threat,” Lee said.
“It is not.”What is Lee offering?a) Pass the
continuing resolution cutting Obamacare ORb) no continuing
resolution to keep the govt funded?Lee is dishonestly trying to have
it both ways. Republicans only have the majority in the House, not the Senate,
not the Presidency. Hostage taking is not governing.
Did anyone notice the pictures section- very old and very white- clearly Spanish
Fork is the face of modern America- perhaps the pictures explain more about the
Lee message than anything else- it appeared the only young person in the room
was holding a sign against Lee's position- interesting
I'm guessing that if Esquire lived in the 1700's he'd be saying
the same about our Founding Fathers. Anyways, just a few points:1-For those who do support ObamaCare, I do not want to hear any complaining
from you when you cannot find work in the private sector and your family is
hurting. 2-The problem with big government and their
"economic" policies is that they fail to consider the secondary effects,
and the things that won't happen because of a bill. 3-A pure
free market system in health care is what this country needs. Those who will say
I'm wrong, cannot be sure, because all we've seen thus far is crony
capitalism in the health industry. By freeing up the system doctors will have
to compete by offering better care and lower prices. Insurance (like car
insurance) will then only be necessary for big procedures and surgeries.
Senator Lee is at odds with the world. He loves a good camera
fest.He is at odds with his own party in Washigington. Means that
unless Washington agrees 100% to do things Utah's way that Lee will be not
useful to the voters in this state. And for that to happen. Sorry senator we
sent you to the capital to help the state not to grind your own personal agenda.
Poor decision on our part.
It is truly amazing, but not surprising, to watch the people who want big
government complain when private enterprise not providing the work necessary to
support families. The Republicans and Democrats are for the most part people who
don't have a clue as to the proper role and function of government and love
the status quo. Democrats and Republicans want the rich to get richer, the
powerful to become more powerful, and the slavish peasant class to do the heavy
lifting. They lack integrity, conviction, and patriotism. Obamacare is
Socialism from the ground up. The rich and powerful could care less about the
peasants and as long as they can give them a few crumbs(health care the latest)
and keep them quiet (while stealing their labor). The ruling political class is
quite happy about it all, while the great mass of men and women are defrauded
from their dreams and rights as citizens of this great country. Thank you
Senator Lee, who is warming up as one of the great patriots this country has
Blocking Obamacare is vital. It is ill-conceived and fraught with unintended
consequences.It will join Social Security, the prescription drug plan,
Medicare and Medicaid as unsustainable government programs.Lee is right to
find a way to stop it before it does more damage.
Pretty sad tht Lee has to misrepresent the ACA. Once, just once, I would like
to see a constructive proposal come from him. If he doesn't like it, what
is his proposal? He has nothing. He is nothing but a petulant obstructionist
who, along with his other Tea Partt Senators is dismissive of the Constitution
and the will of the people. If they can't have their way, they will
deliberately destroy the country and the economy. Nothing of value is coming
from them - no ideas to move us forward. Zip. Nada. The far right wing is out
to destroy the country, and Mike Lee is one of the ring leaders.
Mr. Obama ran for president in 2007, stating he would reform health care. And
he was elected in 2008. No surprises then with what he has tried to do. And
then was re-elected. The Affordable Care Act is not perfect and will be
adjusted in the future as needed.
Farmington - Aug 28th.Great?!, my wife and I's 28th
anniversary.I had so wished I could be there and grilled him myself...
Iron Rod asked "Can anyone tell me when our Senator Hatch has held his last
town hall meeting with real people in attendance?"From a quick
search - the most recent I was able to find was in December at WSU.Like Iron Rod - I don't support the tactic being taken by Lee, trying to
defund a law passed. You fix the law, you don't just defund what you view
is a bad law. That aside, I do respect Lee's passion. May never support
the man, but do admire his drive and his passion. Then again, never say never
as you just never know just how bad the alternative option to Lee could be. I
might even support the occasional issue Lee stands for..... this is just not one
of them. Fix the law.... do the hard work. This is just the easy
path of grandstanding for the public.
Does the Senator have any ideas for what he would like to replace it with under
the dream scenario of being able to repeal the Affordable Care Act? We used to
hear a lot of GOP talk about "Repeal & Replace" but they never got
around to saying what they'd replace it with. I'm personally not the
biggest fan of ObamaCare, but it is certainly better than what we had before.
So, you prefer a Senator that just makes bad decisions, but at least shows up to
tell the people he will continue to make bad decisions?
I agree with Iron Rod about Sen. Hatch. Where are his town hall meetings.....oh,
I forgot; he will not be up for re-election again and if he is it will be 5+
years from now! Come on Senator Hatch.....where are you? RE Senator Lee's
efforts to defund Obamacare, I say Bravo! Keep up the good work! The government
shutdown is a Cunard and would only happen if the dems cause it by not passing a
continuing resolution that defunds Obamacare. Too many Republican office holders
(plus Romney) have fallen for that ruse.
Although I do not support his position on Obama Care at least he is holding town
hall meetings.Can anyone tell me when our Senator Hatch has held his last
town hall meeting with real people in attendance? Telephone town halls do not
cut it.Also when was the last time Rep Mathison has had an actual
town hall meeting with real people in attendance?