RE: UteologySorry, but your argument doesn't hold any water.
Replacing a really bad team with a different really bad team = wash. It
doesn't matter if one is ranked #425 and the other one is significantly
better at #225--they're both still really bad.
@WiscougarfanYes we do math differently, we don't make any
inferences off a sample size of ONE. If you look at last 3 years you'll get
a better understanding of what BYU can expect in 2015:Utah State
#71UCONN #73Southern Miss #86***** Washington State #88San Jose State #95***** Colorado #110UNLV #147So you
can most likely expect about half your opponents to be about as good as
Washington State (aka PAC-12 conference "bottom feeder"). Adding ANY Big 5 bottom feeder would be a "step up" in competition.If you disagree, then please continue "sprinkling" 2 Big 5 games
annually around your MWC/AAC/CUSA schedule.
RE: UteologyTalking about BYU's 2015 schedule (so far)...
"Colorado and Washington would be a step up."Really??! Of
the teams currently scheduled six of the ten were ranked at the end of last
season. Here's how Colorado and WSU would actually stack up (Sagarin
rankings)#19 Utah St#20 Michigan#22 Nebraska#29
SJSU#36 Cincy#41 Boise State#58 Fresno St#89 UCONN#104 Washington State#156 Colorado#157 UNLV#167 Southern
MissSo if we swap out our two worst opponents for CU and WSU then
the two PAC12 powerhouses become our two worst opponents. Now, I didn't go
to the school on the hill so maybe they do math differently there... Perhaps
Uteology can explain to us how CU and WSU would be a "step up"?
I am not sure why Utah fans would dis Colorado and Washington State. Colorado
beat Utah in SLC the first year in the PAC for the two teams, and last year lost
by a touchdown at their house. Colorado is currently EQUAL to the Utes meaning
the game could go either way.Washington State is on the rise. Its
too bad the Utes don't have them early on in the season to make the game
more in favor of the Utes because Washington State will be a much better team
when the two schools face. Washington State may be better than the Utes right
now.SJSU is better than all three schools presently. However Fales
will be playing pro ball by the time the Cougars play the 2015 game so it will
be hard to say how good/bad the team might be. I just hope they are at least an
average bowl eligible team those two years.BYU will play recruiting
games in California and Texas it seems yearly.
I'm afraid that the next Kyle Van Noy in California will be playing for
Glad to see another game being played in recruiting rich California. Anytime
you see BYU schedule a game in California, regardless of who it is against,
chalk that up to recruiting. This is the same reason why BYU is playing against
Fresno State, and in the Poinsettia Bowl in 2015 and another Poinsettia Bowl
sometime after that. More games in California means more exposure to recruits.
Period. Everyone around the country remembers what Kyle Van Noy did
in the Poinsettia Bowl last year. How many linebackers in California were
watching and said "I want to be the next Kyle Van Noy?" Also love that the game in 2015 is in November. Great work by Tom
Holmoe. Go Cougars!
UteologyLOL at your delusional spin.#25 Nebraska, #18
Boise State, #24 Michigan, #21 San Jose State, and #16 Utah State all finished
the 2012 season ranked higher than any of Utah's 2012 PAC opponents except
#20 Oregon State."bcs" and "big 5" labels are
meaningless. There's no guarantee than any particular team on Utah's
future PAC schedules will be any better than #21 San Jose State.--------------"Colorado and Washington would be a step
up."Colorado is one of the worst teams in the country and
it's hilarious how you tried to slip Washington into the discussion,
instead of Washington State.
Uteology,"BYU's 2015 Schedule as of today:"Wow,
ute fans know BYU's schedule better than BYU fans do. Talk about obsessed!
I have no clue and don't care at all what some other utahs team schedule
is years to come. I love these people who just love to follow BYU sports! Best
team in the land, and they prove it over and over by them sharing all their BYU
knowledge with us!SJSU is just like USU, Ball State, and Southern
Miss. One good season then back down they go to mediocrity or below. By 2015,
this will be an easier game.
Not a Huge announcement...just an announcement.
It's a conspiracy!!!!An inside job giving special treatment to a Ute
fan. LOL! Duck, DeepBlue, and others.
@DeepBlueThat's a very good point. I would not put that out of
the realm of possibility.
@uteologyI'm pretty sure the ACC is "big 5" as you put
it. Nice try at obfuscation but you failed....again.As for colorado
or wsu being a "step up" over any of the teams on BYU's schedule
you just posted...well.... fail again. They certainly are not. The only teams on
that schedule either of those teams ranked higher than last season were southern
mississippi and unlv, and they were pretty close to the same with unlv at 157
compared to cu's 156 and so miss at 167 compared to wash st 104. That is
right both colorado and wash st ranked lower than uconn, Nebraska, Boise st,
michigan, cincinnati, usu, fresno, and san jose st.Fail....major
Well, BYU lost in San Jose last time so...
@CougFaninTXCougFaninTX Frisco, TXI think
we're going to see BYU play 4 to 5 games each year with MWC. Two are a
given with USU and BSU. I'd like to see more with SDSU, Colorado St and Air
Force. Hoping we don't ever play in Laramie again.Four games
against MWC, six games against "power conferences" and two others
(against teams like Houston, Conn, etc) I like it!!!-------------6 games against the Big 5 teams?Nope.As of today
it's 4 against MWC, 2 ACC, 2 CUSA, and 2 Big 5 teams so far. With only 4 home games and 6 road games I doubt a Big 5 team will want to
schedule the first game in Provo. So you might get a road game but I think
having 7 road games is just crazy, even for Notre Dame of the West.
@Uteanymous BYU doesn't have the luxury of playing Colorado and
Washington State every year, so the Cougars have to sprinkle in teams like San
Jose State to round out their schedule.--------------The
only think you "sprinkled" in is 2 Big 5 (aka BCS) teams around your
mid-major schedule.BYU's 2015 Schedule as of today:9/5 @Nebraska9/12 Boise State9/16 Michigan10/17 @Southern
Miss10/24 Cincinnati10/31 Connecticut11/7 @San Jose State11/14 @UNLV11/21 Fresno State11/28 Utah StateColorado
and Washington would be a step up.
This is great news! I can't wait for BYU to play these games. (Or any
games!) They will be super awesome this season! Hooray!
Duckhunter"Look at the time stamp on christina's post, it
is 5 minutes before the next post was made."Not implying
anything sinister (or maybe I am), but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the
post was made a couple of hours after the time stamp; for an "insider",
that wouldn't be at all difficult.It's simply too
coincidental that christina's post are so frequently the 1st, 2nd and even
3rd posts on nearly every BYU article.The moderators do seem to
green flag many of her posts that are much more caustic than many of my posts
that have been rejected.
Look at the time stamp on christina's post, it is 5 minutes before the next
post was made. That means christina made her post first but it was probably
being reviewed by the moderators for awhile before they went ahead and posted it
at which point it went in right in the order it was submitted, which was
apparently first.Where the moderators failed was after reviewing it
they then allowed it to be posted at all. I can tell you I've had far more
innocuous posts denied by the dnews many, many times. Based on the stuff
christina posts I highly doubt any of her posts are ever denied by the utah
"fan" moderators that run this site. That is not the case for BYU fans,
ours are denied routinely, almost any post criticizing or pointing out any
deficiency whatsoever in the utah programs are automatically denied.
I think we're going to see BYU play 4 to 5 games each year with MWC. Two
are a given with USU and BSU. I'd like to see more with SDSU, Colorado St
and Air Force. Hoping we don't ever play in Laramie again.Four
games against MWC, six games against "power conferences" and two others
(against teams like Houston, Conn, etc) I like it!!!
I am going to join Uteanymous in calling out the DNews on posting Chris B's
post at the top of the comments after four previous comments were already
posted.Staying on topic: Chris B. thank you for posting just before
my post and making everything I had previously said relevant and on topic.
midpacmajorSalt Lake City, UtahBy staying Independent, BYU can
pick and choose which MWC teams BYU wants to play, without ever being forced to
travel to Laramie in November again.BYU also keeps its exclusive
contract with ESPN and is free to schedule as many games against the likes of
Texas, Notre Dame, Michigan, and Nebraska as BYU wants, without being restricted
to 3 or 4 OOC games per season.As an Independent, BYU is also able
to accept an invitation to a conference like the Big 12 or PAC 12 at a
moment's notice, without any penalty or time constraints._________Forced? Obviously you are talking about the 2-1s that BYU
is forced to sign of their own choosing.BYU gets to keep it's
exclusive of losing to ranked teams on national TV.So BYU can join
any conference without penalty or time constraints? Interesting that BYU fans
like to pick apart Utah for joining the PAC 12. But somehow you think that BYU
can join a conference without any issues.
You can't play every game against teams like Michigan, USC, Texas and
Wisconsin. Every schedule needs balance. This is a good add in a state BYU
recruits heavily. The constant spin from both sides get old. This game
doesn't get me excited like adding a big name program, but the game is
needed for many reasons.
This makes a lot of sense.BYU replaces a local conference
bottom-dwelling 61st ranked team with a solid Top 25 opponent to be played in
November in the fertile recruiting area of Northern California.
Elmer Fudd"BYU might as well just rejoin the MWC since
they're scheduling these home and home games with MWC teams (Boise State,
Fresno State, San Jose State, UNLV, Utah State)."By staying
Independent, BYU can pick and choose which MWC teams BYU wants to play, without
ever being forced to travel to Laramie in November again.BYU also
keeps its exclusive contract with ESPN and is free to schedule as many games
against the likes of Texas, Notre Dame, Michigan, and Nebraska as BYU wants,
without being restricted to 3 or 4 OOC games per season.As an
Independent, BYU is also able to accept an invitation to a conference like the
Big 12 or PAC 12 at a moment's notice, without any penalty or time
Tom do yourself a favor and make life easier, join the MWC. your there
already."A rose by any other name......" Shakespeare
clarkyBYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2012; Utah only TWO. And
unlike BYU, Utah hasn't beaten a single AP Top 25 team since joining the
PAC.The Uties have averaged #50 in Sagarin since joining the PAC, no
Top 25 finishes, with a losing bowl-less season, and not a single win over a PAC
team with a winning record.Despite a couple of head-to-head wins,
one by the skin of your teeth, the Utes are still BYU's little brother.
It's interesting how Chris B somehow slipped his post into first comment
posted almost TWO hours AFTER I commented at 9:18 p.m. on Aug. 21, 2013.No surprise that he's mocking two "non-power" conference
teams scheduling a one-and-one, especially since Oregon State also announced a
one-and-one with San Jose State yesterday, and Utah announced a one-and-one with
Fresno State a couple of months ago.Using the Utah fan talking
points, playing San Jose State gives BYU a better opponent than Utah in 2015 and
is great for BYU recruiting in the recruit rich Bay Area.
Oh wow! This is a huge announcement. At least it's not the two for one or
home, home and "neutral" as BYU likes to schedule with their biggest
name opponents. Can't wait!
"BYU doesn't have the luxury of playing Colorado and Washington State
every year, so the Cougars have to sprinkle in teams like San Jose State to
round out their schedule"No, but BYU had the luxury of playing
Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, San Jose State, and Hawaii the last two
years to salvage their mediocre season. This year they added Middle Tennessee
State and Houston for that same purpose. The Cougies are still 0-2
against big brother up north since going Indy!
"Cougars announce home-and-home series with San Jose State"Hmm...... The only thing that comes to mind for this schedule agreement is BYU
wants revenge from last year's flop to SJSU! The cougies trail in the
all-time series against the Spartans 6-10. I don't blame Tom Holmoe for
quickly calling up SJSU for a home and home scheduling. BYU might as
well just rejoin the MWC since they're scheduling these home and home games
with MWC teams (Boise State, Fresno State, San Jose State, UNLV, Utah State).
@ Chris B"This makes sense.2 non power conference
schools, go 1 for 1(see San Jose byu and also byu and usu recent agreements)When you have 2 power conference schools, they also go 1 for 1(see utah
and michigan series scheduled after Pac 12 invite)"Your right,
it does make sense, Utah has a home and home against Fresno State. Both non
power conference schools. Fresno State? Well, they haven't done much
lately, haven't been ranked in a while. Utah? They are a non power school
in the Pac 12. They fit right in with each other.
Chris B, would you like to give another example of a home-and-home that Utah has
scheduled with power teams?Also, BYU has scheduled many
home-and-homes with power conference teams. And at least BYU can get at least a
return visit from teams like Notre Dame and Texas. How many times have they
agreed to come to RES? A 2-for-1 is better than not playing the team at all.By the way, if Utah ever offers a 2-for-1 with BYU (which I doubt they
will), BYU will never take it.
Nice series with a top 25 program - unlike the bcs pac 10 plus CU team in red up
on the hill.
BYU doesn't have the luxury of playing Colorado and Washington State every
year, so the Cougars have to sprinkle in teams like San Jose State to round out
their schedule.This will be a great opportunity for BYU's Bay
Area fans and recruits to attend a BYU football game.San Jose State
also announced a home-and-home with Oregon State today.
I sure hope that SJSU is at least decent for these years. Although I think that
regardless of what conference they are in they will give BYU a good game.
This announcement isn't as exciting to me as Fresno State was. We just
played SJSU these last two years and I doubt they will be as good as they are
currently with their QB. At least there will be a game in California and the
games agreed upon aren't consecutive years.
I like the matchup as it replaces Utah with an equal opponent in 2015 and the Y
gets to play in California which they aren't doing this year. San Jose
State proved to be a worthy opponent last year doing better than Utah and we
didn't have to put up with the obnoxious posts about being in the PAC12
(although they were a better team). And they don't think they
deserve a 2-1 like some people who have left the Y behind but can't seem to
catch-up.See Mr. Post on every article, getting the neighbors all
riled up isn't so hard.To the real Utah fans forgive me, I just
wanted to play with our friend.I wish Utah every success except on the
21st of Sept.
This makes sense.2 non power conference schools, go 1 for 1(see San
Jose byu and also byu and usu recent agreements)When you have 2
power conference schools, they also go 1 for 1(see utah and michigan series
scheduled after Pac 12 invite)When it's 1 power conference team
against a non power conference team the standard is 2 for 1, in favor obviously
of the power conference team(see byu and USC recent agreement). Even if its
tecnically a 1 home 1 away and 1 "nuetral" the "nuetral" game
will generally be significanly closer to the power conference team(See byu and
Arizona agreement with the "nuetral" game in Arizona)What
will be interesting if whether Holmoe will accept the 2 for 1 Chris Hill will
start offering.byu will take it too. Why? They want to play
against power conference teams. And Utah owns them on the field. byu does not
have much negotiating power(see no 2 for 1's in byu's favor with
either usu or sjsu and the 2 for 1's with USC and Arizona)LOL!