I agree that a woman who wants to stay home with her children should skip the
"elite" schools. Why waste all of that time and money listening the the
psycho-babble of professors who think like Ms. Goff. While I have met many
smart people who came out of IVY league schools, I highly doubt that they are
smart because of the university they went to. (With some schools they are smart
in spite of the schools they attended). I meet just as many smart graduates of
local universities - they are just in a lot less debt.Having an
educated mother is a blessing for children. My mother had a degree and worked
in health care before having me. Not only did she help with homework, she
opened new horizons.My wife (who holds a masters degree) has helped
our children succeed. So far each of our children have been candidates for the
"elite" colleges. Fortunately, each has taken the full tuition
scholarship at a local university, saving hundreds of thousands of dollars.Highly educated stay at home moms are wonderful. Ivy league grads? I
guess if you can't get into a local university, you have to go somewhere.
What a joke. The premise that any degree is wasted is totally flawed. It only
rings true if you take the position that a college degree's sole purpose is
for "individual capitalism" rather than a community benefit. I have no
empirical data, but hypothesize that women who focus on education, formal or
informal, add great value to the socio-economics of their family, their
community, state and nation. This is true as when a parent stays home to raise
and I mean raise and educate their kids, we all benefit.For those
women who obtained their degree and put careers on hold, good for you. I
applaud your decision to put family first, and by so doing enrich your community
and mine. For those who did not finish their degree but are self educated,
thank you for you sacrifice and may the sacrifice enrich your life.We talk about individual freedom, but articles that there is some sort of
moral obligation to put education to work in the capitalistic sense; they missed
the classes describing the difference between trade school and education. As
Mark Twain once wrote, "I never let my schooling get in the way of my
Education is not about the degree or the Job but rather the learning and the
commitment to do something hard. It is about accomplishment. My thoughts are
that if someone gets an education they have absolutely no obligation to use it
in that field. It they want to stay home, coach little league, raise kids... all
the better for our society.
These women have no obligation to do anything other than what they think is best
for themselves and their families. They are not obligated to fill any
expectations of anyone else. Period!
It is amazing how our society devalues the raising and nurturing of the next
generation. I have spent my career in the classroom, and I see the results every
day of parents who are not committed to raising their kids. It is tragic.
People, if you are going to have kids, raise them. There are those situations
where both parents must work to feed the family, but more often then not, I
think "wants" take the place of "needs."
I have worked with, known and had Ivy League graduates in my family and for the
most part it's not what it's cracked up to be. It's not all
about the school but what the student takes with them. Education is not the end
of the issue but is the foundation for lifelong learning. Who cares about the
gender or where someone went to school, it's what they do with the
education and how it benefits society, family, community and themselves. And I have five college degrees; AA, BA, MBA, PHD in organizational
management and a second PhD in leadership.
"What is not admirable is for her to take a slot at Yale Law School that
could have gone to a young woman whose dream is to be in the Senate by age 40
and in the White House by age 50.”Bogus. Any woman with the
brains and ambitions to have dreams with that kind of scope would have enough
brains to apply to more than one law school, AND more importantly would probably
have a good enough resume to get in even with the "SAHM riff-raff" in
her way. Saying that we need to exclude people from a program because of their
ambitions in order to admit people who wouldn't get in otherwise would be
detrimental for our society. Not that that's ever stopped us before. I spent a lot of time in my pre-career life in the childcare arena. No
degree required to work in 90% of those places. So why would a woman with a PhD
want someone with a high school degree to raise her kids?
Noodlekaboodle:Your argument is as questionable as the premise of
the question posed in the article. Education is not about learning facts and
figures, and keeping those facts current, it is about learning how think
critically, to develop a love for learning, to learn to communicate effectively,
to obtain a general education that forms a firm foundation for future decision
making in context of the broader human and environmental mores, and to become
broadly aware of the world around you so that one does not unduly trip over
ignorance when entering the workforce, homemaking, or whatever worthy endeavor
is to be pursued.Sadly, too many fail to understand what a real
education is, and focus on grades, rote memorization, and mechanical exercises
or skill-sets, then wonder how their education is failing to adequately help
them provide for themselves. Unfortunately, these attitudes have now infected
the ranks of parents, teachers, and students alike, and the norm is now less
than a mediocre elementary and secondary education.A true education
will outlast memory, market changes and political winds, and provide a
foundation for lifelong learning and success.
My wife and I have many children. We have adopted many more children and we have
now and have had many foster children in the past 25 years. When our first
monster was born almost 33 years ago my wife stayed home as this was our choice.
Often people (who do not know us) will ask my wife if she ever wanted to get an
education. She will answer by saying that she thought about getting her
Doctorate Degree but felt her Masters (from a very good Big 12 University) was
sufficient for her needs at this point in her life. The stereotype of large
families and education is ridiculous. If we have lots of kids then we must be
hillbillies, walk with bare feet and have shoddy clothes or something. I guess
normal and or educated people don't stay home or have large families.Education is always good. My oldest 3 have Master Degrees. Their spouses
have degrees as well. Gosh and we encourage and push them to have them. The
married ones (gals) stay home and do a bang up job with their kids. To me an Ivy League school is a Shania Twain. "That don't impressame
The assumption that degrees only have exchange value (you exchange it for a job)
ignores the other benefits of getting a degree such as character building,
communication skills, self-discovery, creativity, breaking down of prejudices,
social-discovery, exploration of truth, beauty, culture, music, and human beings
and the honing of logic and debate skills among other benefits. The
article makes it sound like the stay-at-home educated mom is like a sports car
that never leaves the garage. I don't buy it. An educated
mother is the best possible medicine for our societal problems.
@BYUTrackStarIt all depends on how much they remember about the degree
they received, and how long ago they received it and what it's in. Some
degrees (like accounting or law) transfer fairly seamlessly years after the
degree was received. However, if you got a degree in computer programming in
1995 it's sort of useless if the recipient didn't continually update
their skill set, as most of the current code used either wasn't widely use
or not even invented. If your getting a degree as a back up in case of death or
divorce you definitely should make sure it's not in a rapidly evolving
field where 10 or 15 years out of the workforce puts you back at square one.
"Are Ivy League women who stay at home wasting their degrees?" No,
education is its own reward.
I have been in a professional environment for 35 years, and I haven't seen
a correllation between Elite University degrees and problem-solving skills.
What those with Elite degrees have in common is "Very High Self-Esteem."
This works well with helping them land the high-level corporate
jobs, but it doesn't make them competent in these roles. Eventually, these
degreed wonders work in the workplace long enough to truly gain the skills
required in the real world. That said, I believe that it
doesn't matter whether the Elite degree holder who chooses not to use their
skills immediately is a man or a woman. "Very High Self-Esteem" is
useful in the home, too.
For starters, with half of marriages ending in the divorce and the other half
ending in Death eventually, having that degree from an elite university can come
in handy to keep a family solvent should circumstances require you to set up,as
noted above. Life isn't fair. One makes plans for one's future, but
life gets in the way of one's plans. None of us live cookie-cutter lives.
We all try our best, mostly. So author, please try beating up on your readers,
better and more subtly, your hidden agenda will be better served that way.
Goff shows the true colors of modern feminism. It is no longer about choice and
opportunity for women. It has morphed into a twisted worldview that ties a
woman's value to the amount of success she has in a corporate career. Goff
should learn to respect the choices of women who have every opportunity to make
a lot of money but choose instead to devote themselves to their children while
So who decides that leaving home means that these brilliant and capable women
are not using their talents and education? Godspeed!
Goff's arguments are absurd. There is nothing more important that raising
the next generation. A Princeton degree awarded to a future mother will impact
countless generations to follow. Many from these future generations will no
doubt go on to influence corporate, civic and philanthropic interests, and that
education will be magnified many times over.What Goff does reveal is
the liberal bias against the fundamental value of the family. Actually, far
worse than the overspending which both key political parties have participated
in, is the incessant march of anti-family policies constantly being pushed by
the left. It is a cancer that will do far more harm in the long run than our
national debt, which is in and of itself, a tragedy.
I graduated from Harvard Law School, but I now work with attorneys who went to
all sorts of "non-elite" law schools. So clearly, the "elite"
degree I have isn't required for my job any more than it's required to
stay home and raise a family. So I guess my degree is wasted too, and should
have gone to someone who NEEDED a Harvard Law Degree, like... like... oh
How many times I had seen mothers who are not able to help her kids at school?
Are these ladies less mothers than the educated ones? certainly NO! but a degree
does help! knowledge is never wasted. Some way or another, you do apply what you
learned at school. My grandmother didn't finish high school, same as her
siblings. But she did recognize the importance of education so she pushed my
mother thru school. My mom did the same thing with her children. And you can
tell the difference between my mother's cousins and herself. More importantly, this guy is certainly still in the 19th century. The same
way gays can do with their bodies what they want, the same women have the right
to do with their education what they please. And I always though of education
for women like your insurance policy. You never know when you need it but better
I think that any person who is educated can share their education with others
regardless of what situation it is in. The stay-at-home mother who earns a
masters degree from Harvard can provide a wealth of information to her children,
help them with homework, teach them high-level skills, learning to tackle
difficult problems, communication skills (reading, writing, speaking), showing
them about personal finances, etc. With schools being overcrowded and class
sizes over-sized, this should be looked at more positively - more one-on-one
time. The only time any education (formal or informal) is wasted is when the
learning is not shared or developed further, whether through a highly structured
organization that pays you to share or through informal interactions with others
or some other way. If you get a degree in English and go work in Graphic
Design, there are skills that carry over, that are used to help be a better
What is a wasted degree?Knowledge is eternal, it stays with our souls
forever.We should always be learning. They must be talking
about the making of money. Like that is the most important thing a woman can
ever do?"The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world."
My daughter earned a masters in engineering and was the top student in her
class. Her and her husband were able to both earn master degrees without any
student debt. Now she is using her engineering degree as a stay at home mom to
raise my amazing grandchildren. Not sure what could be more important than
that.I'm a big fan of higher education but not if high levels
of debt are incurred in the process.
I tend to agree with the premise that getting a degree and spending the rest of
your life as a homemaker is a bizarre choice, especially if you've
graduated from an "elite" university, if for no other reason than you
took the spot of someone who might have intended on pursuing a long-term career.
It's hard for me to accept the argument that "I'm a better mom
because of my Accounting degree!" despite never actually doing, you know,
accounting. Quicken or TurboTax doesn't count.That said, my
wife earne a biology degree in 1997 and was a stay-at-home mom for 15 years . .
until my career went KABOOM and she needed to find a job. This is her first year
as a full-time science teacher at a local high school. It's probably for
the long term. Given these facts, I can't say her degree was wasted . . its
value was just deferred.
Why is the question only concerning Ivy League graduates and not all female
college graduates. Viewing only Ivy League schools in this question demeans all
who graduate from any college, male or female.And why in the world
would someone consider any degree a waste of time if it's not used? I have
a degree in one field yet a career in a completely different field, does that
mean I wasted my time/money? I still learned valuable lessons by earning a
degree. To say that stay at home parents are any different is shortsighted.
Rummer has it that my wife should of been the Sterling Sculler. She is very
intelligent. Me I was a goof off. How or why she said ya when I married me is a
mystery.She is the very best thing that ever happened in my life. 34 years
latter she still learning things. and teaching me information I never would of
learned on my own. She is amazing. She always was home, teaching our kids
keeping house. She made our money stretch. I knew how much we needed and I would
work the overtime. We raised really smart and good kids whom we are proud of.
In today's environment I don't think I could do what we did.