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Published: Thursday, Aug. 22 2013 7:00 a.m. MDT

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george of the jungle
goshen, UT

Rummer has it that my wife should of been the Sterling Sculler. She is very intelligent. Me I was a goof off. How or why she said ya when I married me is a mystery.She is the very best thing that ever happened in my life. 34 years latter she still learning things. and teaching me information I never would of learned on my own. She is amazing. She always was home, teaching our kids keeping house. She made our money stretch. I knew how much we needed and I would work the overtime. We raised really smart and good kids whom we are proud of.
In today's environment I don't think I could do what we did.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

Why is the question only concerning Ivy League graduates and not all female college graduates. Viewing only Ivy League schools in this question demeans all who graduate from any college, male or female.

And why in the world would someone consider any degree a waste of time if it's not used? I have a degree in one field yet a career in a completely different field, does that mean I wasted my time/money? I still learned valuable lessons by earning a degree. To say that stay at home parents are any different is shortsighted.

SlopJ30
St Louis, MO

I tend to agree with the premise that getting a degree and spending the rest of your life as a homemaker is a bizarre choice, especially if you've graduated from an "elite" university, if for no other reason than you took the spot of someone who might have intended on pursuing a long-term career. It's hard for me to accept the argument that "I'm a better mom because of my Accounting degree!" despite never actually doing, you know, accounting. Quicken or TurboTax doesn't count.

That said, my wife earne a biology degree in 1997 and was a stay-at-home mom for 15 years . . until my career went KABOOM and she needed to find a job. This is her first year as a full-time science teacher at a local high school. It's probably for the long term. Given these facts, I can't say her degree was wasted . . its value was just deferred.

Go Big Blue!!!
Bountiful, UT

My daughter earned a masters in engineering and was the top student in her class. Her and her husband were able to both earn master degrees without any student debt. Now she is using her engineering degree as a stay at home mom to raise my amazing grandchildren. Not sure what could be more important than that.

I'm a big fan of higher education but not if high levels of debt are incurred in the process.

county mom
Monroe, UT

What is a wasted degree?
Knowledge is eternal, it stays with our souls forever.
We should always be learning.

They must be talking about the making of money. Like that is the most important thing a woman can ever do?

"The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world."

vangroovin
West Jordan, UT

I think that any person who is educated can share their education with others regardless of what situation it is in. The stay-at-home mother who earns a masters degree from Harvard can provide a wealth of information to her children, help them with homework, teach them high-level skills, learning to tackle difficult problems, communication skills (reading, writing, speaking), showing them about personal finances, etc. With schools being overcrowded and class sizes over-sized, this should be looked at more positively - more one-on-one time. The only time any education (formal or informal) is wasted is when the learning is not shared or developed further, whether through a highly structured organization that pays you to share or through informal interactions with others or some other way. If you get a degree in English and go work in Graphic Design, there are skills that carry over, that are used to help be a better graphic designer.

mecr
Bountiful, UT

How many times I had seen mothers who are not able to help her kids at school? Are these ladies less mothers than the educated ones? certainly NO! but a degree does help! knowledge is never wasted. Some way or another, you do apply what you learned at school. My grandmother didn't finish high school, same as her siblings. But she did recognize the importance of education so she pushed my mother thru school. My mom did the same thing with her children. And you can tell the difference between my mother's cousins and herself.

More importantly, this guy is certainly still in the 19th century. The same way gays can do with their bodies what they want, the same women have the right to do with their education what they please. And I always though of education for women like your insurance policy. You never know when you need it but better be prepared!

Fubecao
Bellevue, WA

I graduated from Harvard Law School, but I now work with attorneys who went to all sorts of "non-elite" law schools. So clearly, the "elite" degree I have isn't required for my job any more than it's required to stay home and raise a family. So I guess my degree is wasted too, and should have gone to someone who NEEDED a Harvard Law Degree, like... like... oh nevermind.

carman
Wasatch Front, UT

Goff's arguments are absurd. There is nothing more important that raising the next generation. A Princeton degree awarded to a future mother will impact countless generations to follow. Many from these future generations will no doubt go on to influence corporate, civic and philanthropic interests, and that education will be magnified many times over.

What Goff does reveal is the liberal bias against the fundamental value of the family. Actually, far worse than the overspending which both key political parties have participated in, is the incessant march of anti-family policies constantly being pushed by the left. It is a cancer that will do far more harm in the long run than our national debt, which is in and of itself, a tragedy.

Wookie
Omaha, NE

So who decides that leaving home means that these brilliant and capable women are not using their talents and education?

Godspeed!

UteMiguel
Go Utes, CA

Goff shows the true colors of modern feminism. It is no longer about choice and opportunity for women. It has morphed into a twisted worldview that ties a woman's value to the amount of success she has in a corporate career. Goff should learn to respect the choices of women who have every opportunity to make a lot of money but choose instead to devote themselves to their children while they're young.

BYU Track Star
Los Angeles, CA

For starters, with half of marriages ending in the divorce and the other half ending in Death eventually, having that degree from an elite university can come in handy to keep a family solvent should circumstances require you to set up,as noted above. Life isn't fair. One makes plans for one's future, but life gets in the way of one's plans. None of us live cookie-cutter lives. We all try our best, mostly. So author, please try beating up on your readers, better and more subtly, your hidden agenda will be better served that way.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

I have been in a professional environment for 35 years, and I haven't seen a correllation between Elite University degrees and problem-solving skills. What those with Elite degrees have in common is "Very High Self-Esteem."

This works well with helping them land the high-level corporate jobs, but it doesn't make them competent in these roles. Eventually, these degreed wonders work in the workplace long enough to truly gain the skills required in the real world.

That said, I believe that it doesn't matter whether the Elite degree holder who chooses not to use their skills immediately is a man or a woman. "Very High Self-Esteem" is useful in the home, too.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"Are Ivy League women who stay at home wasting their degrees?" No, education is its own reward.

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

@BYUTrackStar
It all depends on how much they remember about the degree they received, and how long ago they received it and what it's in. Some degrees (like accounting or law) transfer fairly seamlessly years after the degree was received. However, if you got a degree in computer programming in 1995 it's sort of useless if the recipient didn't continually update their skill set, as most of the current code used either wasn't widely use or not even invented. If your getting a degree as a back up in case of death or divorce you definitely should make sure it's not in a rapidly evolving field where 10 or 15 years out of the workforce puts you back at square one.

John20000
Cedar Hills, UT

The assumption that degrees only have exchange value (you exchange it for a job) ignores the other benefits of getting a degree such as character building, communication skills, self-discovery, creativity, breaking down of prejudices, social-discovery, exploration of truth, beauty, culture, music, and human beings and the honing of logic and debate skills among other benefits.

The article makes it sound like the stay-at-home educated mom is like a sports car that never leaves the garage. I don't buy it.

An educated mother is the best possible medicine for our societal problems.

AZ Blue & Red
Gilbert, AZ

My wife and I have many children. We have adopted many more children and we have now and have had many foster children in the past 25 years. When our first monster was born almost 33 years ago my wife stayed home as this was our choice. Often people (who do not know us) will ask my wife if she ever wanted to get an education. She will answer by saying that she thought about getting her Doctorate Degree but felt her Masters (from a very good Big 12 University) was sufficient for her needs at this point in her life. The stereotype of large families and education is ridiculous. If we have lots of kids then we must be hillbillies, walk with bare feet and have shoddy clothes or something. I guess normal and or educated people don't stay home or have large families.

Education is always good. My oldest 3 have Master Degrees. Their spouses have degrees as well. Gosh and we encourage and push them to have them. The married ones (gals) stay home and do a bang up job with their kids.

To me an Ivy League school is a Shania Twain. "That don't impressame much!"

carman
Wasatch Front, UT

Noodlekaboodle:

Your argument is as questionable as the premise of the question posed in the article. Education is not about learning facts and figures, and keeping those facts current, it is about learning how think critically, to develop a love for learning, to learn to communicate effectively, to obtain a general education that forms a firm foundation for future decision making in context of the broader human and environmental mores, and to become broadly aware of the world around you so that one does not unduly trip over ignorance when entering the workforce, homemaking, or whatever worthy endeavor is to be pursued.

Sadly, too many fail to understand what a real education is, and focus on grades, rote memorization, and mechanical exercises or skill-sets, then wonder how their education is failing to adequately help them provide for themselves. Unfortunately, these attitudes have now infected the ranks of parents, teachers, and students alike, and the norm is now less than a mediocre elementary and secondary education.

A true education will outlast memory, market changes and political winds, and provide a foundation for lifelong learning and success.

SimpleLife4Me
San Luis Obispo, CA

"What is not admirable is for her to take a slot at Yale Law School that could have gone to a young woman whose dream is to be in the Senate by age 40 and in the White House by age 50.”

Bogus. Any woman with the brains and ambitions to have dreams with that kind of scope would have enough brains to apply to more than one law school, AND more importantly would probably have a good enough resume to get in even with the "SAHM riff-raff" in her way. Saying that we need to exclude people from a program because of their ambitions in order to admit people who wouldn't get in otherwise would be detrimental for our society. Not that that's ever stopped us before.

I spent a lot of time in my pre-career life in the childcare arena. No degree required to work in 90% of those places. So why would a woman with a PhD want someone with a high school degree to raise her kids?

Dr. Thom
Long Beach, CA

I have worked with, known and had Ivy League graduates in my family and for the most part it's not what it's cracked up to be. It's not all about the school but what the student takes with them. Education is not the end of the issue but is the foundation for lifelong learning. Who cares about the gender or where someone went to school, it's what they do with the education and how it benefits society, family, community and themselves.

And I have five college degrees; AA, BA, MBA, PHD in organizational management and a second PhD in leadership.

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