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Published: Tuesday, Aug. 20 2013 2:30 p.m. MDT

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Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

People forget that we are Americans with the right to not be "thought" guilty simply because a policeman "thinks" that we shouldn't be on the street.

What is the Constitution for if it is not to protect us from a government run amuck? Where was it ever stated that any citizen had to prove that he was innocent? The STATE has the responsibility to prove that we have committed a crime. We don't have to prove anything.

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

@Mike --

This MUST be the end of the world. I actually agree with you 100%. I'm gonna go faint now.

;-)

Fourth Amendment, people. If you support the Constitution, you MUST oppose unreasonable searches.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Stop and frisk is saving lives! Mostly minority lives.

tenx
Santa Clara, UT

Why not stop those most likely to be crooks (usually known to the police), do the frisk, then stop 2 non crook types and do the same. Hopefully everyone (including Al) will be happy and the police can get the mostly known bad guys off the street. Same at the airport, frisk a islamist jihadist, then two grey haired grandmothers. Would the deemolibs be ok with that? Would have saved the teenager's life in Chicago just a few days ago.

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

@Mountanman --

You said: "Stop and frisk is saving lives! Mostly minority lives."

Here's some reality for you:

"The year before the mayor took office there were 649 murders in New York City. In 2011, there were 526 murders. This 19 percent drop is important, but to suggest that murders were cut in half because of stop-and-frisk is simply wrong."

"Further, stop-and-frisk has not reduced the number of people who fall victim to shootings. In 2002, there were 1,892 victims of gunfire and 97,296 stops. In 2011, there were still 1,821 victims of gunfire but a record 685,724 stops. "

"While violent crimes fell 29 percent in New York City from 2001 to 2010, other large cities experienced larger violent crime declines without relying on stop and frisk abuses: 59 percent in Los Angeles, 56 percent in New Orleans, 49 percent in Dallas, and 37 percent in Baltimore. "

Notice that violent crime fell MORE in cities that did NOT have stop and frisk policies -- and crime was already falling BEFORE the policies were put in place.

KDave
Moab, UT

It seems to come down to, do we want the police to prevent crime or just keep score?

Maudine
SLC, UT

@ tenx: What other rights are you willing to just give up? Do you agree with the NSA spying on all your phone calls? Since many crimes are white collar crimes, can we frisk your bank account to make sure you are not committing fraud or stealing from your boss?

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