As a former very active Republican I'm often asked why I left the party.
I'm still a registered Republican but I no longer respect a lot of the
platform and I find many of the candidates ridiculous. I didn't leave the
party, the party left me. This is NOT the party of Lincoln, it is NOT the party
of Reagan, it's not even representative of Barry Goldwater. This is NOT
the GOP I knew and loved, this is a clown car of racist, isolationist, fascist
and outright nut jobs. I feel bad for what the GOP has come in part because I
know it will be years before all this tea party and evangelical nonsense can be
purged. The GOP will not be healed nor will it be successful until this
extremest cancer is eliminated.
One characteristic of extreme conservatism: they're quite good at eating
their own. They are simply unable to see the big picture or the common good.
It's all for "me" first.
If you can't fault the finding, fault the messenger.And the GOP
is worried that this is becoming a political issue - uh, yeah - when a
representative of a political party attacks the integrity of the DA, it tends to
become political.How about, if you think the finding is wrong, you
present a fact-based case for why it is wrong instead of engaging in ad hominem
Bennion is right, it is a valid question if Gill's background prejudices
him against police officers.Bennion's criticism is founded on
facts regarding Gill's formative experiences, and logical conclusions which
can be drawn from that. That is NOT "ad hominem attacks" until the news
media takes them out of context and then adds in ("for fairness, of
course") the biased political defenses from the members of the County
Attorney's party.On balance, I think Sim Gill has been not
nearly as bad as some expected, but the County Attorney's office has a long
(and sordid) history of politicization and selective outrage, under both
parties. Regardless, we are sure to be treated to a continuing
series of stories painting all Republicans as racists, crooks, and bigots, who
probably kick puppies and steal kids' bicycles--- even if there are only
allegations from Democrats. I guess if Democrats cannot win
elections, they can at least win the battles for public opinion with sufficient
help from their media allies.
This makes me hopping mad. I support the values the Republican party claims to
support, but our state party has become the party of extremism, corruption, and
lies.The state party establishment is not at all representative of
regular Utahns. The establishment's support of unwarranted police brutality
is shocking to everyone I know, as are their incomprehensible positions on a
host of other issues.The manipulability of the caucus system is
partly to blame; I've been to lots of caucuses and they are a dysfunctional
anachronism. But trying to change the corrupt system from within has failed time
and again.Switching to the Democrats is no good either. As the
national Democratic party has gone off the deep end, moderate Democrats
throughout the state have lost ground, leaving the state Democratic party in the
hands of SL county extremists like Dabakis. The party no longer has anything in
common with the party of Cal Rampton and Scott Matheson Sr.The third
parties in the state generally try to out-compete each other for capturing
whatever tiny slice of the lunatic fringe our already-extreme major parties
leave behind.We need another party- a party of reason and
I made the mistake of commenting in regards to this issue using my real name in
another online forum. Within hours, a police officer from another part of the
state contacted me privately to correct me. Truly, Utah has degenerated into a
strange police state where one must bow to authority no matter how corrupt and
brutal that authority becomes.
The reporter did a good job of clarifying that Chad Bennion was quoting Sim Gill
re: an experience sim had as a 8 or 9 year old. I am less impressed with some of
the quotes by others. Especially mine. I was very clear that I felt Bennion was
not trying to pull in ethnic race but some were interpreting it or reporting
that way. We do need to focus on if Sim Gill is pushing the pendulum too far. It
is also obvious that we do need some balance. Sim Gill should provide some
balance. We don't need a police state. Fred C. Cox
The GOP and its party does not have any rights and this is an insult that they
think they are our government. The GOP has not been elected to represent the
people and its time they stop proclaiming and acting like they are our elected
government. Gill has been dully elected by the people and not the
GOP, therefore the peoples choice has president over any of the accusation or
demands of political party zealous. The GOP or any political party cannot speak
out in this outrageous and blatant contempt of our elections and voting
rights.The GOP or any party can establish ethical standards and
values for its members but its getting sick that party politics is declaring a
voice in elected officials duties and responsibilities. We the people choose our
spokesman, and the GOP is not one of them and shoud shut up, stop harassing the
voters and elected public officials.
As a 74 year old I find myself in the same position as previous poster
"SLDRONE" describes. The Republican party as left many of us. The Bus
is being driven by extremists and radicals headed for the cliff! It is way to
late to avert the bloodbath that is going to occur in the 2016 and 2020
elections. H. Clinton has only to sit in her rocker and watch the radical right
finish the self destruction from the National level to the State and local
level. The Chad Bennion debacle is just another pathetic exaample.
Why is it even proper for the County leader of any political party to get
involved in the situation at all? Wasn't Sim Gill elected to do a job by
the citizens of this county? Let him do his job.
There is no doubt being a police officer can be a tough job making crucial last
minute decisions during an incident. Obviously part of the West Valley police
department got out of control and thought they were above the law in their
over-zealous enforcement. Lives were lost, careers ruined. A learning lesson to
all is to review priorities. Thankfully Sim Gill has portrayed a balance to the
problems in West Valley policing. Community faith in the system is rewarded by
his actions. I have become a supporter of Sim Gill after hearing what he has
done and I was a peace officer for 30 years.
I don't believe Sim's experience when his was 8 or 9 is a liability
for his current office, nor do I believe he is a cop hater. I do wonder if all
the over 100 cases should have been tossed the way they were or if they more
could have been saved. If you have someone breaking into neighborhoods and they
are caught, and then let off the hook, it is a pretty big deal.
Ask yourself this if Mr. Gill had been from LA, New York or even Oklahoma, would
Mr. Bennion have questioned his background? From what I have seen of
Mr. Gill, he seems to have done an excellent job of trying to be fair to those
charged, and those enforcing the law. It took 9 months to reach the conclusion
that the shootings were not legally justifiable, that seems to indicate a
methodical process on which evidence was weighed, not a rush to judgement on a
band wagon. In fact this paper ran several stories complaining on how long the
process was taking.
I'm a Republican, and I found Mr. Bennion's remarks silly. Rather
than engage in a thoughtful analysis of the DA's findings, he engaged in
rhetoric and ad hominem remarks. More troubling is his use of his official
position as the County GOP Chairman to advance the cause of his private
business, the representation of police. Disappointing.
I'm curious as to how many people commenting here have lived overseas--and
in a "real" setting, not as a missionary. I'm not meaning to stir
up the pot here too much, but it's very true that some countries have
radically different environments than what we view as normal in the mostly safe,
prosperous USA. Even the country directly to the south of us has problems with
violence and terror related to drug wars that are unimaginable here. When
corruption is found in police forces here in the US, it is still thankfully
viewed as something of an anomaly, but that sadly isn't the case in many
other countries. So, when I heard Mr. Gill speak of his experience as a child,
it didn't surprise me. When I heard that, I also wondered how that might
affect his judgment based on what should be proper here. So, no, I didn't
view Chad Bennion's comments as racist. Whatever his motivation, I do
think it is legitimate to ask how a person's background influences the
decisions he makes in his position.
Bennion: obvious pandering to get more votes an get your name out. Your language
wasn't "Strong" it was reckless and shows your lack of discipline.
This guy needs to be voted out.
I wonder if the GOP rationalizes and feels the same way about Mia Love not being
@Just an Observer - Given that most missionaries in any country spend a great
deal of time interacting with common people on the street and in most cases, the
poorest people in those countries, I think missionaries actually have a more
"real" view of those countries than even some of their own residents do.
As for the topic of the article, Bennion happens to be the party
chairman, but he hardly represents the whole party, especially in this case.
Should he actually BE the chairman? Probably not...but until the voters speak
up, that's who Republicans are stuck with. Politicians shoot their mouths
off like anyone else. Just because they have a (D) or (R) next to their name,
doesn't meant that everyone else in the party thinks that way (especially
because I doubt he consulted the whole party before he spoke up...)
The GOP is turning into a very scary fascist like party. I am a
registered repub yet I don't identify with anything they do or say anymore.
Racists, bigots, runaway spending, wars just to make wars, corporate welfare,
tax cuts for the rich, attacks on health care, education, food stamps, the
military, sequester, and now on Mr. Gill. Just unbelievable. I
haven't left the party, the party has left me.
Well if we are going to bring Sim Gills background into this shouldn't we
bring in all the information about Chad Bennion? Like the fact that he is a
lawyer for one of these policemen. Or that his wife was convicted of child abuse
for slapping her small child in the face, on the same day Gill released the
findings on the Willard case? But i'm sure that has nothing to do with Mr.
Bennion foaming at the mouth....
When it comes to comedic relief, the GOP is the gift that keeps on giving.
I'm a registered Republican (though mainly just so my vote counts in this
state), and I found this Bennion fellow's comments to be very
unprofessional at best, and more along the lines of extremely offensive. It
sounds like a case of sour grapes to me. I find it further alarming that
he's actually getting support from the Republican party. In my opinion,
they're all a bunch of authoritarian crooks.
@Shawnm750:For what my opinion is worth, I have lived in foreign countries
both as a missionary and as a regular, working guy. I felt my experience in the
latter case gave me a far better idea of what real life was like there.
Missionaries are limited to a particular kind of experience and a routine that
shields them from interacting with people in many ways that they would if they
were there just to live and work or go to school.
Several have posted their distaste for the GOP. What we as a community, as a
nation, as citizens of the USA, is that first of all, people are not perfect, no
matter what their position in the government. They are trying to do their job
as they see fit, but make mistakes. There is not only corruption and lies in
the GOP, but in the Democratic Party as well. Too often, we get too focused on
political agendas and fail to see the real issues that bind us together instead
of polarize us as a people. I do not like playing the blame game and finger
pointing and bad mouthing - that's divisive. I do like constructive dialog
which seeks to find common ground to build on.
The GOP is not the party of radical extremists, and they have definitely not
gone too far to the right. But what too many of them HAVE done is pander to
foolishness in hopes of gaining some political ground. It really doesn't
take a mental giant to figure out that the murder of Danielle Willard was
totally unjustified, and it shouldn't take ANYONE 9 months to arrive at
this obvious conclusion. But just because West Valley City can't sustain a
viable and credible police department doesn't mean that all the GOP
lemmings need to jump on the band wagon with one Chad Bennion to simply prove
that they're up in the night. Those who have joined this chorus have only
hurt their own cause, and the cause of those seeking accountable government.
The more they pile on, the more they weaken their base, because the truth in
this case isn't that hard to figure out.
Advice to James Evans: Don't be fool enough to follow Chad Bennion down
the rat hole. You might want to look at the facts and maybe even test the
waters before you jump into the fray. If you're saying that WVC cops had a
perfect right to murder a little unarmed 21-year-old gal last November 2,
you're headed in the wrong direction and you should be aware enough to
Some of you have no idea what police officers have to go through every day they
walk out their front door and go to work. I have seen the abuse 1st hand from
some of these punk kid gangsters just trying to egg them on while their friends
are sitting back and only videoing the parts they want to show. I hope all
police officers start wearing video cams and then we will see the real truth. Of
course the Libs are against that. I wonder why????
" I hope all police officers start wearing video cams and then we will see
the real truth. Of course the Libs are against that. I wonder why????"=======================I consider myself a liberal, and the
only people I know that are against dash cams in cop cars are dirty cops. They keep both parties honest, and protect the rights of the citizens.
If I am mistaken in my line of thought, please correct me.
The victim was a 21 year old unarmed female. Two officer were involved in the
shooting. I find it difficult to believe they couldn't dodge a car that
was backing up. I understand law enforcement can be a demanding profession and
have always been willing to give the police the benefit of the doubt. It
appears to me that Sim Gill made the correct decision. Sim Gill has my
admiration and support.
"Sigh"Why is it that Utah GOP leaders continue to paint themselves
into the radical right corner? Even when they have a door open behind them to
exit the room, why do they refuse to use it?But what can we do? The
Democrats have the only other viable party. Or do we have to begin something
Bennion did not lash out at Gill until AFTER his wife was found guilty of a 2nd
degree misdemeanor child abuse.His comments were driven by anger not by reason
or careful consideration of the facts that Gill addressed. His comments about
Gill are worthless to reasonable people who are looking for truth and guidance
from the "intelligentsia". State GOP Chairman Evans is piling on because
it is the only thing he can do, other than admit the truth that Bennion's
comments were racist. The State GOP is putting forward Evans, a black, to say
"See this isn't about race. Why our State Chairman is black and he
ought to know racism when he see's it".Well I suggest that politics
really does make strange bedfellows and that personal and moral choices give way
to pandering to the inherent racism of the general population in Utah.
Especially since Obama is our President of the United States of America!!