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Published: Monday, Aug. 19 2013 12:00 p.m. MDT

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2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

@Kralon..."I guess you have to hang on to whatever stat works for you. The BYU/Utah game is fun, but only one game a year at most.

What works for me is if it was a choice of beating the utes or going to a bowl game, I would choose bowling every time! Last EIGHT years in a row! Go Cougars!"

LOL....You and cougie fan's never use stats that only make the cougies look good do you.

What works for me is undefeated seasons and BCS win's. In the last decade utah has done this twice the cougies have never been close. They have quested several times to match their big brother though...LOL

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

Hey, E Fudd, they're still saying that in Arizona "...We'll get there one day." LOL!!

How many times have Arizona and Arizona State, the mighty schools that jumped from the WAC to the then PAC 8 to form the mighty PAC 10 been to the Rose Bowl? Your logic is admirable in that you are cheering for your team but statistics and history don't bode well for the Utes. Just being a member of the elite PAC Conference of Champions hasn't rubbed off onto them. I wonder why really good players wouldn't just drool to get into a "PAC School?"

Maybe their recruits that go somewhere else other than the Arizona schools know something that the Uties have yet to learn. U always have Colorado (but are only .500 against them, too) to help grease your way to the Rose Bowl. LOL!!

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: 2BCSWINS

"What works for me is undefeated seasons and BCS win's. In the last decade utah has done this twice the cougies have never been close."

Huh? I know it was a while ago, but 1984 still counts (especially when you qualify it with "never"). As far as BCS wins... an argument can easily be made that we were one win away in 2001, 2006, 2007 and 2009. One game seems close to me.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

PACUte_ declares "The truth is, except for winning a national championship, the final poll is the ONLY poll that matters."

The final regular season poll is all that matters. In basketball terms, finishing in the top 16 is the "Big Dance". Finishing in the top 25 is the same as "making the NIT". If Bronco was a basketball coach, would Cougar fans be happy if the best he ever delivered was an NIT invitation?

I've often wondered why BYU has been unable to join 47 other teams in the BCS club. Is it that fans are resigned to being a BCS outsider, so they consider a top 25 finish "success"? I notice how quickly you defensively said "Only a Utah fan..." Maybe that's it. Fans think success is either beating their in-state rival or going to a bowl game. The coaching staff must know their fans expectations are relatively low, so they meet those low expectations.

Finishing in the top 25 shouldn't be enough for you. At the end of the regular season, sports shows should be buzzing with the question "does BYU deserve a BCS bid"? That isn't happening. Demand better.

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

BYU has a long great tradition of winning, it is expected. The challenge ahead is huge. Bring it on! Just win baby!

metamoracoug
metamora, IL

Sambonethegreat: I agree with your assessment -- which is kind of what the article states. Cougs need to win. Period.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

This just in: BYU has denied Texas Lineman Harrison's appeal. This is going to get ugly with Texas. What happens when an 800 LB gorilla doesn't get his way...we're about to see. If BYU wants to ever be looked at again by the Big 12 they need to be seen as being willing to be flexible. I'm pretty sure the rest of the Big 12 loves watching BYU stick it to Texas, but in the end does it show that BYU isn't willing to be flexible or accommodating? I guess we will see.

In terms of this article, what more needs to be said. The kids from the hill will throw a tantrum, and accuse BYU fans of living in the past. The real question is, who's program appears to have the brighter future. I think both programs have opportunities to shine...it's up to them to make the most of those opportunities.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

@ Elmer - Does your ranking of the Utes schedule really reflect your perception of importance and toughness? If U had just said importance, I would have conceded your opinion. But if you really think it includes toughness, I'd like to review how you did at the end of the season.

As for importance, it's a matter of opinion. But your opinion is different than most Ute fans. There was an article in the DNews on May 28 that stated 64% of Utah fans said beating BYU was more important to them than going to a bowl game. Meaning, they would put BYU in your #1 spot.

GK Willington
Salt Lake City, UT

They'd be absolutely right but forgot 1 small detail.

The 5 majors conferences need to self-destruct, implode, be obliterated, vanish, etc...

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

How many times have Arizona and Arizona State, the mighty schools that jumped from the WAC to the then PAC 8 to form the mighty PAC 10 been to the Rose Bowl? Your logic is admirable in that you are cheering for your team but statistics and history don't bode well for the Utes. Just being a member of the elite PAC Conference of Champions hasn't rubbed off onto them. I wonder why really good players wouldn't just drool to get into a "PAC School?"

Maybe their recruits that go somewhere else other than the Arizona schools know something that the Uties have yet to learn. U always have Colorado (but are only .500 against them, too) to help grease your way to the Rose Bowl. LOL!!

__________

Why don't really good players just drool to play for BYU?
UT, AZ, & ASU all have more players in the NFL than BYU does.
The Conference of Champions has rubbed of on them. AZ & ASU have won national titles in several sports.
BYU is 3-8-1 all time against Colorado. What percentage is that?

MGB
Saint George, UT

To ekute:

The utes do not live in the PAC12, they die in the PAC12.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: SoonerUte

"The final regular season poll is all that matters. In basketball terms, finishing in the top 16 is the "Big Dance". Finishing in the top 25 is the same as "making the NIT"."

Interesting analogy. So, if football (119 teams) was run like basketball (345 teams) you would have to apply a .188 ratio to the number of football teams, meaning that the NCAA tournament (65 teams) would be the equivalent of the top 22 pre-bowl teams. That means that all-time...

BYU: 15 tourney invites, 5 trips to 2nd round, two sweet sixteens, and one elite 8/final 4/national title.
Utah: 3 tourney invites, 2 sweet sixteens

"If Bronco was a basketball coach, would Cougar fans be happy if the best he ever delivered was an NIT invitation?"

Bronco: four first round tourney appearances
Whittingham: two appearances, one sweet sixteen

Are we happy simply going to the tournament? No, but consistency is nice.

Utes-Best Lil Brothers
Anaheim, CA

SoonerUte

Comparing the NCAA tournament with the bcs is laughable.

When the major college football tournament expands to an 8- to 16-team tournament, then, and only then, will your "end of regular season Top 16" rankings comparison be relevant.

The truth is, even Utah's two greatest seasons ever, weren't good enough to produce a single national team or player award of any kind - no national championship, no Heisman trophy, no national individual award winner, and no national college football hall of fame player.

Two nice bowl wins (one over an EXTREMELY mediocre, barely ranked opponent) are all you have to show for yourself.

For all of your chest-beating, even Utah's Sugar Bowl winning team wasn't considered good enough to climb any higher than #4 in the official bcs final poll, the Coaches Poll.

BYU's 1996 Cotton Bowl-winning team only finished a notch below that, at #5.

David in New Mexico
Rio Rancho, NM

The rivalry banter in fun. But I think we can all feel the direction things are going from media:

1) BYU's offense is a question mark but we have great backs, killer WRs, and a good QB. Everyone feels it should be better than last year with Riley hurt.
2) BYU's defense is still very good with Van Noy, Unga and Kafusi. Secondary is thin, may be open to long balls.
3) Utah's offense is still questionable. Can't find good receivers and they're missing the bruising backs of the past.
4) Utah's Defense is not quite what it used to be. Good but they're missing Andersen.
5) Media has Utah at 5 wins, no bowl game.
6) Media has BYU at 8 wins, with a bowl game.

Bottom line: BYU will struggle and have a mediocre winning season with a bowl against stiff competition. Utah will continue to fade with a 5-win losing season. We'll see.

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

SoonerUte

"The final regular season poll is all that matters."

So Utah fans spouting off about finishing #2 in 2008 or #4 in 2004 is meaningless?

In fact, Utah's Sugar Bowl win doesn't matter, because that occurred after the final regular season poll, which as you clearly stated, is all that matters?

Ute chest beating about finishing in the Top 5 is meaningless, because the Utes have never finished higher than #6 in the final regular season poll?

It's laughable the contorted spin Utah fans are forced to employ to try to minimize BYU's clearly superior overall accomplishments.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

@ Elmer Fudd,

I completely agree with your ranking of Utah's games as well. I gave you a like as well.

Do you think Ute fans will storm the field after they win the game against Weber State? Probably not. That game is the only one people would be shocked if Utah didn't win. Teams 1-11 on your ranking are all games against teams that are either currently much better than Utah or in the case of Colorado and Washington State are about just as good as Utah. The fans SHOULD storm the field if the Utes win any game this year among those first eleven games.

Someday Utah will be good enough to become bowl eligible again. I really do believe that 2015 will be the year. In the current year the Utes should just be happy when they get a win because they won't be coming easy with how depleted the NFL and graduation has left them.

Take solace. The Utes once beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl! BYU in the meantime will go bowling, be ranked and play a national schedule on TV. I like where BYU is.

SportsFan
Orem, UT

WACpaddled

"BYU is 3-8-1 all time against Colorado. What percentage is that?"

Gotta luv the frantic and emotional spin Utah fans are forced to use to help themselves sleep at night.

BYU has won 3 of the last 4 versus Colorado, and hasn't lost to the Buffs since a narrow 7-9 setback in the 40's. In the meantime, BYU has dished out a beatdown in Boulder and beat the Buffs in the Freedom Bowl.

Compare that to Utah's two most recent meetings with the Buffs - a LOSS to a 10-loss team at home, and a 7-point win over an 11-loss team in Boulder.

btw, Utah is 0-8 lifetime versus Washington. BYU is 4-4, including a win in 2010.

The Arizona schools have excelled in other sports, but the sad truth for U is, as pathetic as the Utes have been in PAC football (7-11), the Utes have been even more pathetic in every other PAC sport besides W gymnastics.

romeisn'tburning
layton, ut

@ManInTheMiddle

Have fun in Murfeesboro next year.

Tilka
PORTLAND, OR

This article provides key and brilliant insight. If you win all your games you can be considered an elite program.

Beaver Native
Garland, UT

Let's face it. Last year was not the best of years for either BYU or Utah. Both teams will be better in the future, but I have my doubts for both teams this year. I have my doubts particularly about BYU's choice for offensive staff, and some key players have been injured in practice. Still routing for BYU!

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