Not here.I'm clapping right now. Thanks for being a stand up
Re; BSR SD Cal. Let's see: Yes you are right the fire your
talking about was started by gun fire. But you like all the other's, forgot
to state it was all cause because they were using tracer rounds. If your going
to tell a story, please try to keep the facts straight.
This "neck" with a masters degree is not upset a out it being blamed on
guns. I'm upset that it is considered by many, that normal target shooting
starts fires. When I see a study done that shows that fires can be started with
lead bullets, then I will believe it. All that I have heard so far are claims.
Peaple are too quick to accept claims as fact.
To those who blindly refuse to believe that shooting can start a fire, I give
you the Herriman Black Ridge fire which was started by small arms training at
Camp Williams - they admitted it.I swear - necks will believe (or
disbelieve) whatever they have to in order to keep their precious guns.
"This year, (2012) the Bureau of Land Management said 11 of 31 wildfires it
has battled in Idaho have been sparked by shooting activities.In New
Mexico, state forestry officials said a landowner was target shooting when one
of his bullets hit a rock and sparked a small blaze. "This is a sign that we
are very dry," said state forestry spokesman Dan Ware. "We're
starting to see very unique ways of fire starting."Officials at
Arizona's Tonto National Forest had seven wildfires caused by firearms in
2010, 10 in 2011 and at least four so far this year. The potential for fire is
so great that shooting for several years has been prohibited on BLM property in
the Phoenix area."(Foxnews)
20 years in the Marines, and I have never seen a fire started by
shooting--unless they were tracer rounds. With as much lead as we put downrange
in some firefights, there would have been fires started left and right if lead
bullets were the cause. In fact, next time you go camping, try and start your
fire by shooting at your pile of wood and kindling. No need to report back on
how it went, because I already know the answer. But--if you are
shooting lately, in the extremely dry conditions we have in the state, and you
are using 'exploding' targets, tracer rounds (which I highly doubt),
etc, then you should be arrested for stupidity. And yes, if you were the cause
of a fire and the subsequent damage, then you should also be made to pay for it.
Every other year necks go up there shooting and start fires. You would think one
day it will sink in, but it never does.
@JBTEven the investigator who blamed guns for last year's
Saratoga Springs fire admitted to conjecture. He wasn't certain, but said
there were casings on the ground in that area. THERE ARE CASINGS ALL OVER THAT
HILL!Any restriction on smoking in dry areas? Nope. Any restriction
on matches in dry areas? Nope. Just guns. I've shot many
thousands of rounds over my 40+ years and have been with others doing the same.
I've gone shooting in locations where other shooters were clogging the area
target shooting. And with all that gunfire and dry terrain I've never seen
a fire caused by guns.Last year, the media went nuts about guns and
fires. And their efforts were successful in convincing the people in this state
that the majority of fires that occurred last year (and this) were caused by
guns. That's called propaganda. Even this one incident is
speculation, yet you've got the low information readers concluding that gun
people need to be stopped (see comments above). So, it seems to me
that this is issue driven, rather than concern for trees and grass.
RE: MpleDn - I saw nothing in the article about taking away guns. However,
taking responsibility as gun owners for your actions and expecting the state to
apply existing laws should definitely apply. Tax payers should not be expected
to foot the bill for fools who start fires, no matter how they start the fire.
Interesting thing happens when articles like this get posted, or when a fire
starts and police question people shooting in the area. Comments from the pro
gun people seem to be similar to "I doubt the bullet, or a ricochet caused
the fire", or they claim the media or left wing people are trying to take
guns away. I am an avid shooter, and die-hard second amendment supporter, and I
dislike the media. But, let's be real, these articles NEVER mention ammo
type, and, in almost ALL cases, if people are in the area shooting, they caused
it!! whether its using steal ammo, or shooting exploding targets, they caused
it! Ask the state investigator, who closed down a huge area west of Utah Lake,
what was causing those fires. He'll tell you it was the shooters. If
you're going to go shooting, be responsible and be Smart!
Ever thought pyromaniacs may enjoy target shooting?
As a physicist and a avid shooter I do not see how you could create a fire by
regular target shooting. Tracer rounds or exploding targets yes. Anyone who
claims that a fire started while they were using regular rounds is likely lying
to cover up carelessly starting a fire another way. When I see it I will believe
it. Until then i will trust what I have seen and what I understand about
I'm skeptical that is the shooting causing the fire. It would take tracer,
steel ammo, or something like that to spark a fire. Even then, it would need
some very unique circumstances to cause a fire. In all the 50+ years of
shooting, including 10 in the Marines, I have never seen a fire started with
ordinary ammunition.I know what the news has said about other fires, but
I've seen no real evidence except conjecture to prove it was shooting.Lead bullets do ricochet, but sparking is another thing.
.When will we start truly holding people responsible?The
target shooters who started the Dump Fire at Saratoga Springs, which burned off
the brush and then allowed several homes to be flooded.What happened to
them?Probably feted in a parade as "heroes".
This is what the press and left has been waiting for...and here come the radical
leftists screaming to take away guns.
I guess any idiot can buy a gun and shoot in an irresponsible manner. These
fools should be found, charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.