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Published: Monday, Aug. 19 2013 2:20 p.m. MDT

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Eric G
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Great article! Besides the severity of the circumstance, is this situation any different than someone coming forward after 3 years and stating that their spouse killed their neighbor? I think the police will still arrest him. Just because the government didn't know about the murder 2 years earlier and issued the murderer a child care license doesn't mean that they shouldn't rescind that license today. But that's the Police's fault right????? The entitled generation will always blame someone else for their mistakes and it makes me sick!

Strider303
Salt Lake City, UT

Perhaps some information is needed to explain why student-athletes are not eligible to receive credit for the IS courses, while other people are eligible.

Why are they singled out and excluded? BYU got their money, the class was passed. Who cares if the student is a lineman or stay-at-home mom?

Three time graduate of the school and still I am amazed at some of the management practices.

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"Everyone in college football knew BYU offered programs that could be exploited to improve grades. It was explained in detail in Michael Lewis’ popular book about Michael Oher, "The Blind Side." They also knew very well when BYU made it unavailable to non-BYU student-athletes in 2006"

Certainly raises some questions. In 2006 BYU made it unavailable to non-BYU student athletes. Doesn't say BYU changed the program in any other way. Prior to 2006 what a black-eye for BYU when athletes from across the nation were getting passing grades for no effort. Those taking the courses can still get grades for doing no work? Now it appears only BYU student-athletes can take the offered programs! High standards, indeed.

timewilltell
Los Angeles, CA

Good article Ryan and clearly BYU is in the right. However I really hope they grant Harrison a pass. He is young and made a mistake but to hinder his education and desire to play will certainly look bad for BYU and even Church members. Showing good will can go a long will, this is a Church University after all.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

timewilltell
Do you know what else looks bad for byu? A gimmick by a university helping students pass high school classes. I've long thought of byu as a glorified high school and this situation is a shining example of that assessment. It's abundantly clear how byu gets its recruits academically qualified and it's equally clear why the football team ranks so low academically. The players learned how to receive high school grades by doing no work through a university.

Of course Teeples states that byu is not to blame. byu has a long and distinguished history of taking no responsibility for its shortcomings. A great example of a stand up culture.

"Clearly byu is in the right." Well said, timewilltell.

bribri86
Phoenix, AZ

I don't see how I could disagree with this article. I wonder if BYU ought to consider why the independent study program is so easy that people getting F's in high school are getting A's in there program. With the facts that have been presented, it's hard to imagine a school who is willing to suspend a star basketball player of it's own for breaking rules and let walk someone who gamed the system. That wouldn't be a very good message to send.

BlueHusky
Mission Viejo, CA

In previous comments on another article, the policy was explained more clearly. Still murky though. But the issue is that players can take the course if they are under management (according to the other writer). Therefore, if the kid were on campus, he'd be OK.

But this was long ago. Let it ride.

Jeff29
Draper, UT

@MyPerspecive

You can "think" whatever you want about the academic rigors of BYU, but I happen to have a Bachelor's Degree from BYU and a Master's Degree from the U. The school to the south was more difficult.

SLCWatch
Salt Lake City, UT

@My Perspective
You assertion about BYU's football team ranking low academically is wrong.
Your assertion about BYU qualifying non qualifiers is wrong.
Go do some research please. We shouldn't have to do it for you.
You don't understand this issue. Please take time to learn what the issue really is.
And yes, I am a University of Utah graduate. I take the time to study issues first.
Don't let your blind bias lead your comments.

STuFOO
Korea, AE

MyPerspective

"I've long thought of byu as a glorified high school and this situation is a shining example of that assessment."

Nice to know that you don't have an axe to grind.

"It's abundantly clear how byu gets its recruits academically qualified and it's equally clear why the football team ranks so low academically. "

Except college athletes cannot use the program. Nice try to disparage BYU.

FAIL.

"byu has a long and distinguished history of taking no responsibility for its shortcomings."

I love how you infer that there are just so many shortcomings.

Please! If you had ANY candor, you would name these shortcomings instead of simply stating that there are many.

FAIL

For instance:

u of u swim scandal.

Try to use words that are actually from "MyPerspective" not trying to make "MyPerspective" some twisted fact.

then maybe you wouldn't FAIL.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Jeff29
Draper, UT

"You can "think" whatever you want about the academic rigors of BYU, but I happen to have a Bachelor's Degree from BYU and a Master's Degree from the U. The school to the south was more difficult."

So do I and I couldn't disagree more. Makes me wonder what you studied?? btw...I also have a degree from an Ivy League school.

The point is...byu does a tremendous service in helping kids (especially their own athletes) get through HIGH SCHOOL without working. Well done...well done, indeed!

The NCAA needs to step in here and conduct a thorough investigation of the academic merits and administration of this so called on-line academic program.

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I doubt that BYU intended its independent study program to be a loophole or a sham to get college athletes eligible for college. BYU cannot be held responsible for the acts of others. But the fact remains that a sham is what this has become. BYU also shows a double standard in this situation by allowing it's own athletes/students to participate in this program and not other schools athletes/students. There may be good reasons for this, still it appears that this is a double standard. It is time for BYU to "man up" and take responsibility for having such a loosely run program. BYU clean up this program!

Cougar in Texas
Houston, TX

Strider303, Silent Lurker, MyPerspective, and others;

BYU IS courses have been a great blessing to many, providing real education in a non-traditional environment. Due to illness, my daughter would not have completed high school without it.

The coursework is entirely valid; however, it relies upon the honesty of the student that he/she actually did the work and not someone else in their place.

About 10 years ago, many would-be college student-athletes cheated the system and the NCAA decided to no longer accept them toward athletic eligibility. BYU IS has a clear warning at its website explaining this to prospective students as well as explaining that BYU does not certify credits for any form of student-athlete NCAA qualification (because BYU cannot verify that the student did all of his own work). The exception is for enrolled BYU athletes where BYU can control the integrity of the system.

Those of you denigrating BYU IS have either not used it in the last 6 years, or have no idea how it works. Go ahead and give it a try and then come back and make an informed comment.

horn1
Austin, TX

Here's the issue at hand.

BYU SELLS on online college credit program to the public. If they SELL this product to the public, then they are NOT allow to tell that individual what they can or can not do with that college credit. BYU is an accredited university which means their online courses should be up to par. If an individual wants to use that credit to transfer to another college, THEN THAT IS THEIR RIGHT! It is up to the other college to decide if they will accept that credit. It is NOT BYU's place to say who can and who can't take a class; and what they can do with that credit if they are selling it to the public, their students, and to their athletes. The Harrison kid was using the BYU course to graduate from his community college. 1000's of people, athletes and non-athletes do this same thing every year from colleges across the nation. If BYU has an issue or concern with their online standards, then they need to removed their online classes all together and quit SELLING them to the public.

STuFOO
Korea, AE

Love how everyone is blaming BYU instead of requiring personal responsibility.

It is always the institutions fault, when individuals missuses the system.

That is why our country is in such a mess.

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@Jeff29

I, too, went to both schools and I agree with you the "school to the south was more difficult". It was very difficult to conform. It was difficult to have someone set the length my Bermuda shorts could be, to disallow sandals, to prohibit any facial hair, to discourage original thoughts. It was difficult to accept their concept of higher education. The premise of higher education was for learned men to gather together to discuss their ideas, beliefs, customs, etc. so that one could learn from them and then establish ones own beliefs. It was not where one should hear only one "truth" - to strengthen that which they already believed. I wanted exposure to others dissimilar to myself - to learn from them - to share with them my knowledge and beliefs. That is why I can say I went to both schools and that I am a "Utah man".

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

A glorified high shool eh?... LOL...

I'm willing to wager that either your's or a family member's application for admission to BYU was rejected at some point of time in the past and that's why we see you foolishly come out and attack the quality of education at BYU...

I have been in Senior Management with three different Fortune 500 Companies for over 30 years and have rubbed shoulders with Graduates from several Universities and I can tell you unequvically from a Corporate Recruiting Standpoint, BYU runs circles around the Uiversity of Utah... In fact a Bachelors or Graduate Degree from BYU is highly reguarded in the world of Business and in the field of law where I have my expertise... I have a Bachelors Degree from BYU and chose the University of Washington to get my Graduate Degree and both were excellent schools...

May I suggest that instead of ripping on BYU Academics, that you or whoever was denied admission simply apply to another school with less stringent requirements for admission... Scorn, Sour Grapes and Envy are traits that should be hidden and not publicly displayed.

4601
Salt Lake City, UT

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT
I too have attended BYU, the U and an Ivy League school. Your experience is vastly different than mine. BYU's academic rigor and bright students compare well with the Ivy League. The U is not in the running, hence my transfer to the Ivy League. Your inability to capitalize BYU is a not too subtle indication of your secondary agenda.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

poyman
Lincoln City, OR

A glorified high shool eh?... LOL...

I'm willing to wager that either your's or a family member's application for admission to BYU was rejected at some point of time in the past and that's why we see you foolishly come out and attack the quality of education at BYU...

Well, you lost the bet...re-read my post. And for the record...I have worked with, for, and over byu grands and they have never taught me anything. Think long and hard about that before you respond.

4601
"I too have attended BYU, the U and an Ivy League school. Your experience is vastly different than mine. BYU's academic rigor and bright students compare well with the Ivy League."

Well, we'll have to agree that we have different experiences then. I started at the U is it true that you started at byu? I found the advanced degrees easier as I moved forward. I don't know what you mean about my inability to "capitalize byu" or your assertion of a "secondary agenda." Just because I'm not singing byu's praises doesn't imply some kind of conspiracy.

panamadesnews
Lindon, UT

Who AM I Sir: Where do you get the information that the IS program involves "no work"? Do you have sources that indicate that? I'm not accepting "everyone knows that they require no work" garbage. Please do not say things that are not proven. Thank you.

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