U 90"Says the BYU fan who's facilities are built with
tithing money."As usual, a complete distortion of the truth.The only BYU athletic facilities built with tithing money are facilities
that are also used by non-athletes. BYU's football training facility,
unlike Utah's football training facility, was built ENTIRELY with funds
from donors and revenue generated by BYU's athletic programs.
I guess it's unrealistic to think that fans can remain classy, respectful,
and civil towards each other. I'm not sure what the big fuss is all about.
I think it's wonderful that schools are able to get the money to upgrade
their facilities and all. It's great for the kids, for the school, and the
community as a whole. However, all the kingly upgrades means nothing if your
team don't win, be that at Utah, BYU, or anywhere else. As one famous
coach said, "Winning isn't everything. It's the ONLY thing."
Go Cougars! Go Utes too, when you're not playing us!
@ Bluto "And don't forget that BYU's facilities are paid for.
Utah's are not. (Hello Taxpayers?)"Says the BYU fan
who's facilities are built with tithing money.
the u can go ahead and take all the money you can get, along with your 3 to 5
wins a season. No need for stadium expansion...you'll see a lot of empty
seats in the stands. Winning solves a lot of problems, and I just don't
see the utes getting very many.
Bluto-Get out of the 80's for 2 seconds, and you will realize
that words like "legacy" and "tradition" are obsolete for BYU.
Please, spare us all the spew of useless statistics you were about to hastily
type to "back up" your point. I've seen them already on here a
thousand times. The fact of the matter is that your 1984 national championship
is almost 30 years old, and the days of your team being the "premier"
program in the state are almost as far gone. Its comical that you find it
so offensive that someone put a heisman overlay on some promotion of the new
facility. You were so quick to shoot down something that nobody on here knew
about. And you say you're not jealous? lolz.
Any BYU fan commenting on this article seriously needs to get a life
For all those who think that college sports is one way to help provide funds for
a college or university, this facility should help put that thought on the scrap
heap. This isn't unique to the U, which makes it all the more terrible.$32 MILLION! How much of the $millions that the athletic
department brings in actually goes to helping a university fulfill its primary
mission? Very, very little, if any.So, instead of a way to enhance
the educational experience of post high school students, the facility-like many
more around the country-simply adds another marketing tool to get more and more
focus on sports. Need more classroom buildings, more science
equipment, more research capability, no chance. Want to add more jock straps and
video rooms? You got it!
I'm a big BYU fan, but I really like what the Utes have done up there.
To my Ute brethren...BYU fans aren't jealous. We've
already been there and done that, regarding top notch facilities.Utah's facilities cannot even compare to BYU's, even now.And don't forget that BYU's facilities are paid for.Utah's are not. (Hello Taxpayers?)What we are actually mildly
amused with, is the over the top hyperbole and spin coming out of the U's
PR machine and their complicit media.One station even had the gall
to show a Heisman Trophy overlay, when promoting his story on the U's new
facility.A Heisman Trophy? At the U?Not so fast
Red Rocks....National Award Winners (21) and College Hall of Famers (7)
are found at BYU, not Utah.I invite all Ute fans to go on the other
Pac teams websites and compare.Even when Utah's new money comes in,
they will still be last in athletic budgets in the Pac.It's not going
to make a dent in Utah's fortunes.Legacy and Tradition is what
counts.BYU has it...Utah does not.
Nice facilities. That's about it though.
With this new facility we will out recruit BYU, all other schools in the PAC12
and have the National Championship trophy within 2 years!!!Mark my
@Just the FAX: "Maybe U haven't been in the PAC long enough to realize
this, but Washington and Washington State are two different
don't know diddly:"The University of Washington's
Husky Stadium will have a new look for the 2013 football season...$250 million
renovation of the stadium and construction of a new football operations center.
New luxury, patio and club suites will be added to the 91-year-old
stadium."So my point stands, every PAC-12 team is upgrading
including Washington which has ONE more win then Utah.As far as the
study, it was a random sample of 179 players. Unless you conducted a similar
study your opinion is irrelevant.
mussingaroundPalo Alto, CAU 90Unfortunately for U,
going bowl-less is the wave of the future for Utah.The Utes have
been bowl-less 50% since joining the PAC.The Cougars have been to
bowls 100% since going Independent.------------Wow! Is
that what BYU fans define as research? You should publish your findings.FYI... 8 of 11 is a strong trend, 1 of 2 is not.
Still laughing at all the haters...it was a much needed facility. Thanks for
being such great byu fans! Very typical responses from the byu crowd.
That's too bad. I expected you to be somewhat happy. I guess you're
still bitter because you haven't busted into a BCS bowl yet. Remember,
Oregon and USC (and probably most of the PAC12) have better facilities because
they have HUGE sponsors. Just ask Oregon where they would be without NIKE
funding just about all their needs; including new football uniforms and
helmets...for EVERY game! They never wear the same thing twice. Can you come
up with something better byu fans? You're still proud of your 1984
national champion team; playing a Michigan team that was 5-4 in the regular
season and ended up with a 6-6 season. I feel sorry for you.
UteologyMaybe U haven't been in the PAC long enough to realize
this, but Washington and Washington State are two different universities.----------"Forbes had a great article last year "The
Surprising Factors Driving College Football Recruits". For the most part
academics was the #1 factor..."Forbes obviously didn't talk
to recruits in the SEC.The truth is, EVERY recruit is different.
Staying close to home may be important to one recruit, while getting far away
from home may be more important to another. Some recruits may rule out BYU
because of its strict rules of conduct, while other recruits may choose BYU
specifically because of BYU's strict standards. The reasons for a recruit
choosing a particular school are as varied as the recruits themselves.Bottom line: If a recruit is choosing between BYU and Utah, and both schools
have similar facilities, facilities will be a wash, and other factors will be
used in making the choice.On the other hand, if facilities are the
primary decision point and Utah is competing against Oregon or USC, well,
that's why USC's roster is filled with blue-chippers, and Utah's
never will be.
utey44"Site your source..."What exactly does
that mean?You can beat your chests all you want to about all of the
revenue Utah is getting from the PAC, but your chest beating rings hollow as
long as Utah continues to use student fees to help pay for Utah athletics.
Spokane Ute"Um, it's been two years Dude, get a
clue."And Utah's current winning streak versus BYU has only
been three.But, the trend for Utah's continued struggles (and
hence, missed bowl games) appears to be MUCH more likely than the trend for Utah
continuing to get all of the turnover breaks in winning nail-biters versus
BYU.Get a clue yourself.
IronmanSANTA CLARA, UTFor the most part, Blue Chip recruits
want to attend a university where they can don shorts and flip flops in the
winter and check out adoring coeds wearing the same. ----------------Forbes had a great article last year "The
Surprising Factors Driving College Football Recruits". For the most part
academics was the #1 factor and "flip-flop weather" didn't make the
ranking."The quality of facilities finished fourth and was just
fractions of a point behind academic reputation, parents/guardian perception
about the school and relationships with assistant coaches." -- Rivals
All the BYU v Utah banter is embarrassing. Come on folks. As a big BYU fan, I
love our facilities. They are cool. This is a great looking building and will
help Utah do well. Congrats to the Utes. May we both have great seasons!
Great new digs!Love all the haters and the sour grapes. Too funny!!
Utah progress sure does get under some peoples skin!!Go Utes!
Onward and Upward!!
As a coug fan I am not jealous the utes new facility, I am simply shocked that
it isn't nicer. As you can see it is pretty plain. It isn't that over
the top like most utes fans predicted. I wasn't the person saying that this
building is is going to save the program, that is the ute fan base and the ute
media. I personally don't think it's something that is going to set
themselves apart from other pac teams. It's new and nicer than what they
had but it's not this game changing building. Oregon now they have a game
changer, they were innovative. They did it right, their building will be
impressive for the next 20 years. utes facility will be out-of-date in 5, then
what will they have. Just another boring building.
FatMan86West Jordan, UTThis is what you fixate on when you
dont have actual wins. Seriously, who freaking cares? ------------Apparently the recruits considering every other PAC-12
team is doing the same. Including teams like Washington .Are you
also posting on Washington articles? Considering that:Utah is
13-12Washington State is 14-12
@ ScottySite your source before you spew ignorance. This year Utah
will be at 75% of the PAC 12 revenue approximately 15-16M.This is
not Tax payers money nor is it tithing money."Student Fees",
what a joke! you guys need to be a little more creative than that.Rock, good article.
Bleed CrimsonAs UoU 1991 said:"As long as student
fees are being collected for use by Utah's athletic department, nobody can
truthfully say that students aren't being forced to pay for athletic
facilities like this."The bonds being used to partially pay for
this facility, will be repaid in part from funds received by the athletic
department through student fees.
messingaroundUm, it's been two years Dude, get a clue.
So we spend millions of dollars on something that really boils down to one
thing...getting kids to sign on the line. Truth is, more than 95% of college
football and basketball players ever make it to the next level. These kids come
in and seem to think this is the way the real life is, but when they're
gone they get a reality check. Life is glamorous for only a few. (I guess the
coaches will enjoy the lounge the most)
U 90Unfortunately for U, going bowl-less is the wave of the future
for Utah. The Utes have been bowl-less 50% since joining the PAC.
The Cougars have been to bowls 100% since going Independent.
C'mon BYU fans. This is a beautiful facility and exudes the pride and
tradition of ute football. If I were a recruit I would be impressed. This
isn't about BYUs facilities which are also top notch. Y'all sound
whiney and jealous at this when there's no reason to be...BYU has beautiful
facilities as well, so there's no reason to express the kind of sour grapes
virulence that some of you are exhibiting. Congrats to Utah for a beautiful
@U90Those three 5-6 years under Crowton still saw LES sold out and
fans came to the games. With Oregon and Stanford on the docket for the next
couple of years Utah looks to be heading into the same sort of college sports
wasteland the Cougars endured. The hope is that all the real young talent Utah
has been accumulating can overcome and get the Utes back to a bowl in 2015.I really like the facility however I'd appreciate changing that
"nice little stadium" moniker one of the opposing PAC coaches made
referring to Utah even more. RES even with the Utes struggling on the field
should still be able to pack the house with fans from other Universities. On
top of that SLC will bid for another Winter Olympics and having a stadium that
seats 60k would be more appealing. I guess LES could host the next one.
Wow! Look at all these bitter Y fans on this comment board! There comments spew
nothing but envy and jealousy for the University of Utah. Some are making absurd
comments like the building is being funded by tax payer subsidies or student
fees. Cite your sources before you make such ridiculous claims. I'm happy
for the University of Utah to upgrade their football facility (much needed).
This will help Utah with recruiting and put us on par with other Pac-12 schools.
The next piece of the puzzle is to win on the field. Last year was a let down
but I'm optimistic for this year. Less than 2 weeks to go! Go Utes!
IF BYU did all this a decade ago, I'm proud of the fact that the Utes have
accomplished more with less at least when measured by head to head competition,
recruiting and placing players in the NFL. I'm excited to see how much
further we will go as our facilities continue to catch up to and surpass what
BYU has done.
These facilities aren't that over the top. You would think they would have
pushed the bar a little farther. Have you seen Oregons facilities they trump the
utes NEW building. I wasn't to impressed by the boring already out-of-date
thing that the utes just built. I don't think it will help much. It fits
the utes boring and complacent. By the way BYU's facility is much better
and that is like 10 years older.
Interesting what will bring all the haters to a Utah board... a building. Over the last 10 years Utah has gone bowl-less once. BYU has gone
bowl-less 3 times.
Superior to BYU. NOT. Maybe up to par and equal to but not SUPERIOR.
It's a good thing that they used the space where a trophy case would go for
something more useful, like a crying room.
For the most part, Blue Chip recruits want to attend a university where they can
don shorts and flip flops in the winter and check out adoring coeds wearing the
same. The building is beautiful (except for the very tacky red "U"
hanging from the ceiling), but it does not prevent the cold, snowy weather that
chases away the top talent.
Looks like the copied a lot from what BYU did, glad big brother could show the
way.If ute fans think they are the "jones" (LOL), they
haven't been to USC or Oregon.
Fashion PoliceAs long as student fees are being collected for use by
Utah's athletic department, nobody can truthfully say that students
aren't being forced to pay for athletic facilities like this. As anybody
who's studied accounting knows, it's easy to manipulate the buckets of
money to make it appear that particular funds are being used for a particular
purpose, but the reality is, it's all one big pot of money that's
being distributed however the U sees fit.
I wonder how students who couldn't care less about athletics feel about
being forced to pay, through student fees, for football players to live in the
lap of luxury while they're living on ramen noodles.Just
another example of the out-of-control frivolous spending by major college
The facility is another example, another tangible proof of just how out-of-whack
the "priority" of college football has become. Because it is close to
home in Utah it brings a more startling realization of something that is already
standard among many so-called "elite" programs around the US. It's also sad that the number of NFL players from the U is being hyped.
The truth is that well over ninety per cent of all college athletes from the top
conferences never play in the NFL. I love the way Lou Holtz ran his Notre Dame
program. He really played down the NFL promise because it puts the wrong focus
on college football players.
Steven S Jarvis"Now how about Rice-Eccles? Utes need more
seats!!"Not happening for a long time.Next major
project already announced by Hill is a basketball practice facility in 2015.RES expansion won't be until after that, if ever.If the
Utes tank for the next three years, like they tanked last year, the won't
be any need for expansion. RES will look just like the HC, a vast sea of empty
red chairs.That's why Hill is moving so slowly on expansion
with nothing but a few drawings of proposed expansion plans so far.This new facility is very nice; great food and couches for the Utes to watch
bowl week from.
Congratulations to the University of Utah, a great academic institution, on
their new football practice facility. It is interesting to read the comments
above. Seems to me this new practice facility will be a phenomenal place to sit
and watch the team down south compete in bowl games.
Brad Rock is on the right track comparing the facility to a luxury hotel.
However, he has missed one critical point. The UU athletic department is
receiving millions of dollars per year in taxpayer subsidies. The vast majority
of college football fans in the state are fans of non-BCS programs: BYU, Utah
State, Weber, SUU. Why should taxpayers be subsidizing gold plated toilet seats
for BCS conference teams when the BCS conferences are trying to destroy nonBCS
football?I would like to see Brad Rock or any other local journalist
ask just once why nonBCS taxpayers should subsidize BCS athletics. Not just in
Utah, but in any state. Subsidizing BCS athletic departments is a waste of
education dollars. We should be recruiting and retaining better schoolteachers,
not paying for "athlete only" monstrosities that will be expensive to
build and maintain.
"Truth is, the Utes aren't swimming in money, as are Oregon and USC.
The football center gives them a nice jump, but in the wealthy Pac-12, simply
treading water is expensive. Ten of the 12 teams are either building or have
recently completed facilities similar to the EFC."At least the
Utes will have a nice place to crash during bowl week.
If it's a game of keeping up with the Joneses, guess what? The U is not
the Joneses. They aren't even the Nortons, the Bunkers or Fred and Ethel
Mertz. The rest of the PAC 11 looks at the U as the Clampetts...without money.
Awesome. All haters' comments aside, this will help with recruiting and
team unity. 5 years from now BYU fans will be pointing out how their school has
more parking spaces with straighter lines. It's all becoming comical, from
this end at least.
This is what you fixate on when you dont have actual wins. Seriously, who
freaking cares? Get it done on the field and then I will be impressed. I
can't think of anything more silly than "we won the recruiting
war". Football is a game ultimately decided on the field. Nobody ever got
a trophy for best recruiting class or best football building. Utah
fans are getting to be as bad as BYU fans at substituting fluff for actual wins.
Beautiful facility. As I've said I have a friend that works at the U who
sent me pics but the video makes it even more impressive. Congrats utes. I
don't know about the booster saying "you are the Jonses". Someone
needs to give him a wake up call and let him look at the facilities just built
or being built around the PAC 12. This is just sick money being thrown around
especially when we won't even give our student athletes a stipend. Time to
start paying our athletes...I mean CFB already looks like the NFL now, might as
well go all in.
"Want to kick back and watch a game on TV? There are more HD screens than
NORAD and the Pentagon combined"Those TVs will come in handy in
December during the bowl season.
To the BYU fans commenting above:Sour grapes.
@BlutoDid you know Mr. Bluto that BYU is 3-7 against Utah in the
decade since the SAB opened...How much farther will BYU fall behind
now that Utah's has superior training facilities?
I love my Pac 12 membership!You think recruits care about state of
the art facilities?Just as Oregon!Just another reason
Utah has won the recruiting war between Utah, byu, and usu the last several
years. And will continue to do so, with ease.Both head
to head AND average stars its been Utah, Utah, Utah!
This will be a cool place to hang out during the holidays when the Utes find
themselves bowl-less again..
Bluto:btw..BYU is behind Utah in recruiting and always will be so
your "decade" of better facilities hasn't done much on getting
better talent to come play for you
Utah will continue to be last in athletic budgets, in the Pac.And they are
going even deeper into debt by bonding.And, as noted, all the other
schools in the Pac are also spending big bucks on upgrades.After all is
said and done, Utah will still be looking up at more established conference
programs.All of this is moot anyway, once Utah becomes embedded as
their Perpetual Conference Doormat.They're off to a good start.btw...Utah is more than a decade behind BYU on facilities...even still.
Nice facility. Now how about Rice-Eccles? Utes need more seats!!