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Published: Thursday, Aug. 15 2013 8:15 p.m. MDT

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Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

Note to BYU alumni, this has nothing to do with athletics (i.e. the Pac 12). How sad to see some of you show your true colors of jealousy and put down other univeristies when you should be taking a moment to celebrate your own successes. Take joy in what BYU does well and be happy about that without belittling others. You're setting a poor example for others.

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

ekute

"Pacific *Athletic* Conference"

The National Association of Directors of College Athletics (NADCA) Directors' Cup honors institutions maintaining a broad-based athletic program, achieving success in many sports, both men’s and women’s.

In the 20-year history of the Directors' Cup Utah has NEVER finished ahead of BYU in the standings. In fact, BYU's average finish for the last 20 years is higher than Utah has ever finished.

Final Directors' Cup Standings for 2013

#43 BYU 505.00 points
#77 Utah 261.25 points

BYU received points in 10 sports: M Cross-Country, Football, W Soccer, W Volleyball, W Gymnastics, M Golf, Softball, M Tennis, M Track & Field, and M Volleyball

Utah only received points in 4 sports: W Gymnastics, Skiing, M Swimming, and W Track & Field

As far as quality of athletics goes, BYU has dominated Utah in overall athletic excellence for decades.

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

Anon0101

"Highly doubt these kids know anything about BYU other than it is religious and they have good sports."

Highly doubtful you have any evidence whatsoever to support your fallacious claim.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

MY point was that I would bet that a HUGE percentage of LDS kids in the study chose BYU.

Conversely, I doubt that the majority of Catholic students would choose Notre Dame.

That would skew the results.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Mormon Ute

In discussion boards, people discuss things. Sometimes those topics deviate from the intended purpose of the article. Sometimes, when articles are posted in the sports section of the paper/website, fans will choose to talk about athletics.

Kralon
HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA

downtown424 - "Why isn't there a link to the actual study, or the full list, in the article?"

The actual study is in the Quarterly Journal of Economics and requires a subscription. Without paying all you get is an abstract. The best summary I've found shows the top 30 and is on BYU's news site. Unfortunately DN won't let me put a link in a comment, so look for BYU News and the title is "An Academic Ranking of Colleges".

GK Willington
Salt Lake City, UT

per JohnInSLC

It sounds like something OU, Texas, or Ohio State would do... so yeah.... that is top tier.

Pendergast
Salt Lake City, UT

to skywalker

Couldn't athletics be considered the *vain things of this world*?

I love irony.

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

Mormon Ute

"Note to BYU alumni, this has nothing to do with athletics..."

Actually, it has a lot to do with athletics, as Utah fans are constantly beating their chests about Utah's invitation to the PAC, even though the main criteria cited for BYU NOT being invited to the PAC was "supposedly" academics.

Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.

Woody
Newbury Park, CA

I think BYU should be on the list around that level. Problem is the article is a little vague on the stats. It says 3,000 top students were surveyed. When you scatter the numbers top to bottom, it may only take 1% or 30 students to make #21. The top 10 probably got 75% of the students. It would be hard to expect BYU to even be listed as a choice for the students that want college to be a party. These may be the nerds, but they are still teenagers.

Ted H.
Midvale, UT

JoeBlow:

"MY point was that I would bet that a HUGE percentage of LDS kids in the study chose BYU. Conversely, I doubt that the majority of Catholic students would choose Notre Dame. That would skew the results"

No it wouldn't. The study is about smart kids and which college they choose to attend. Why would the fact that many Mormons often choose BYU skew those results? Smart kids. Which college they attend. How does religion skew that relationship? I find it laughable you think the fact that Mormons often attend byu has "skewed" the results. I'm glad that this bothers you though. I'm glad that this further evidence that BYU students are significantly smarter than other Utah students bothers you. Thanks for bringing me this joy.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

JoeBlow

"MY point was that I would bet that a HUGE percentage of LDS kids in the study chose BYU.

Conversely, I doubt that the majority of Catholic students would choose Notre Dame."

Catholic kids have dozens of Catholic schools to choose from, but there are also 10 times more Cathlic kids than LDS kids, but none of your deflecting invalidates the results of the study.

BYU has a national fan base and a national studentbody.
Utah has a local fan base and a commuter studentbody.

It's no surprise that in a national study of high performing high schoolers, BYU would be ranked in the Top 25 and Utah wouldn't even be ranked in the top 110.

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

Pendergast

"Couldn't athletics be considered the *vain things of this world*?"

You can be the ironic judge of that if you like; just remember, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

vangroovin
West Jordan, UT

Congratulations to BYU! Go Cougs!

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

Truth machine,

I didn't ask for it both ways. I have no idea why BYU didn't get invited to the Pac 12, but I do know this .... the Pac 12 is an athletic conference.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Esquire
Springville, UT

Not crowing or denigrating. Defending. BYU doesn't get a lot of respect from a select group, occasionally deservedly so. Maybe I should have thicker skin, but the steady drumbeat about a certain university suddenly being superior because it belongs to a conference that is superior is getting just a little monotonous.

For what it is worth, I live in Washington State University country, and the good that university does for eastern Washington is immeasurable. May not have the greatest football team, and they probably didn't make this top 25 list, but a marvelous place.

And I DO think this is the year they'll take the Utes.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

BYU is an interesting enigma for sure. You get kids who have good enough grades/test scores to go to Harvard, but they choose to go to BYU because they would never meet enough LDS members of the opposite sex at Harvard to be able to get married.

The "nationally diverse" student body isn't there because BYU is a destination university, it's because a bright LDS girl from New Hampshire doesn't like only having 6 LDS guys to choose from at Dartmouth.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

MormonUte:
If it's an athletic conference than why are academics and research criteria to get in? It's not just an athletic conference...if that's the case than BYU had far better athletic credentials than Utah. It's as much about academics as athletics. To believe otherwise is to avoid/dispute the evidence right in front of us.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@Cougsndawgs:

"BYU had far better athletic credentials than Utah"

Utah has a far better football program than byu.

All sports don't drive the conference shuffle.

Football does.

In the last 10 years Utah has multiple undefeated seasons, multiple top 5 finishes, multiple BCS bowls, multiple BCS wins.

Does byu have any of those?

No.

Utah is clearly the premier football program in the state, and thus was extended an invite to the Pac 12.

If byu had multiple undefeated top 5 seasons in the last 5 years, I bet a BCS conference would have come calling.

But you don't.

So they didn't.

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I guess they havn"t heard about BYU independent study program.That gets non qualifier students into BYU.

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