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Published: Thursday, Aug. 15 2013 5:55 p.m. MDT

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Thriller
Saint George, UT

It doesn't sound like this program is shining a very positive light on BYU.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

Thriller

BYU has a responsibility to every student who takes an Independent Study Course from BYU to maintain the academic integrity of the program.

Real Bass
Idaho Falls, ID

So the question is whether BYU has strictly enforced this policy since its inception. If so, the policy is clear on its face and the player should explain how he can justify its violation. If not, and other players from other universities used BYU home study to their advantage since the policy was announced, BYU should explain how it can single this athlete out for enforcement purposes.

Better be strictly enforcing the policy or BYU will end up with egg on its face and potentially turn a friend in UT into an enemy.

Cougar Claws
Lindon, UT

Whatever the policy is, if BYU abides by that policy, then that is the right thing to do. If BYU is obligated to help this young man, then they should do that so he can compete. If they are under no obligation to do so, then they shouldn't have to.

Hopefully the right thing plays out for both this young man, and for BYU.

Mortoon
Idaho Falls, ID

Did this player certify that he was not an athlete at another university in order to enroll in the class?

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

At what point is he an NCAA student athlete? If he wasn't yet eligible because he lacked High School credit, I believe he could have enrolled in the course(s) since he was not yet enrolled as a student athlete at Texas.

BYU should punt this one to the NCAA.

The NCAA says whether or not an individual is eligible. Currently NCAA policy has declared that BYU Independent Study High School program does not count towards HS graduation requirements for eligibility purposes. All BYU needs to do is submit the transcript to the NCAA. They will have done their part.

Frankly, I hope the kid gets to play and more importantly gets to have a chance at a good education at Texas.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

Wow..
BYU is in between a rock and a boulder.
Give him credit, and they will be criticized for pandering to an athlete.
Don't give him credit and BYU will never see Texas on their schedule again.
Let alone be admitted to the Big-12.
Ouch!

IndeMak
South Jordan, UT

As Texas controls the Big 12, maybe byu should fold to their request.

BYU78
McLean, VA

Doesn't matter if it's Texas or Southwest Podunk State, if we've left legitimate ambiguity in the program, then this needs to go down in the player's favor. Only if the kid's 100% and unambiguously in the wrong do we sit tight here; otherwise we should get out of the way of his eligibility, and let UT and the NCAA do what they want with it from here. And then, I think we need to take a really hard look at this program, and do what is necessary to make it truly bulletproof against the appearance of abuse -- or if we can't do so, discontinue it entirely. No impropriety exists here, and we are nuts to leave ourselves open to the appearance of such.

2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0
Ogden, UT

Why is it that some schools just have trouble with whatever they do?

At some point it can't be a considered a coincidence when any relationship this school has turns sour.

The 1% chance the Big 12 was ever going to invite byu is probably now down to .1%

And it won't be increasing. Ever

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Why is this an issue between BYU and Texas? I thought the ncaa made it clear after 2010 that these classes wouldn't count. Seems to me this is the NCAAs issue to deal with.

2013 Ute Seniors (aka Chris B or his relative):
"At some point it can't be a considered a coincidence when any relationship this school has turns sour".

Are U referring to BYU or Texas? We all know Texas has no friends because they bully everyone and force their will on everyone...sounds like this case is no different. Everyone has to play by the rules except Texas. I think BYU would have MORE friends in the Big 12 by snubbing Texas and sticking to their guns. U act as if Big 12 teams/programs love Texas when they actually hate the longhorns and wish nothing but the worst on them. Apparently U dont know the Big 12 very well.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Bluto

"... Admitted to the Big12..."

BYU isn't getting admitted to the Big12 anyway...

But my guess is BYU will find a way around their policy in an effort to keep that Big12 dream alive...

Dnquixote
Las Vegas, NV

They will give him credit or be exposed for allowing other non opponents to do the same thing. Either way it is still their decision to make, but Hohn the fireworks! Personally I hope they try to deny him. The fallout will be epic!

EdGrady
Idaho Falls, ID

Tell Texas to pound sand.

SLCWatch
Salt Lake City, UT

Seems like nobody on here understands the issue.
This is not a high school course...period. It's a University course, Desmond was at a JC.
This is not about being fair, it's about following rules.
The Y, like every other school that runs any on line classes, has to certify that the course was taken by the listed student. It's usually an honor issue.
BYU can't just do it for student athletes because of the abuse by schools that do anything to make borderline individuals eligible.
No one can take online courses now without spending a semester on campus first according to the Y's website. Hence BYU student athletes can.
Because eligibility clocks are running for University student athletes, BYU must moniter student athletes. They can't if they can't get the student on campus. Hence non-students can't use BYU on line classes.
The NCAA requires monitoring of student athletes.
To stay free of NCAA oversight BYU doesn't allow non students
Any student athletes who lie are subject to losing credit.
BYU should welcome any list that Texas has and with draw credit for those student athletes who violated.

eagle
Provo, UT

No brainer...If the kid earned credit, release the grade and let him play.

Floyd Johnson
Broken Arrow, OK

The fact that other student athletes may have been awarded credit is easily explained: "we were not aware that any of those participants were athletes."

The error was likely made by a guidance counselor at the junior college who had used these courses in the distant past to help students become eligible, did not review the new policy and was unaware that they could no longer be used.

The application does not ask "Are you a student athlete." And BYU Independent Study has no mechanism and no responsibility to determine the NCAA status of each applicant. The responsibility is on the student to review the guidelines.

I am curious to know how Texas will definitively show that other student athletes have used these courses to gain eligibility. Will they ultimately disqualify some of their other athletes. "Look, our entire defense took these courses last year..., oops." Perhaps they will point out participation by some key rivals "Corey Nelson and Julian Wilson both took these classes." There are probably a few student athletes that will not sleep well until this is over.

In the end, I hope the kid gets to play.

Ldsrm
Spanish fork, UT

I think Byu has online classes for users just like any other university or college does!!!

why didn't the guy take on line classes from Texas ware he is enrolled?

why is Texas even letting the player play if he is not nca elgabell ?

Louisiana Cougar
Pineville, LA

On its face, this policy seems to be unethical and an affront to the individual seeking to obtain academic credit. Moreover, the policy calls into question the legitimacy of all BYU online courses!

Besides making BYU look bad, this policy makes the NCAA look like they don't have a clue! (But they have demonstrated that quality time and again!)

Give the young man his credit. Enough, already. BYU should join with Texas in appealing this ridiculous policy to the NCAA.

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Let's get this straight. So BYU offers independent study courses so that low high school grades cab be replaced and eligibility requirements can be met for college. This works as long as the student attends BYU or isn't a student athlete at another school. Now a case comes along where the class is used by a student athlete at another school and BYU is denying credit?

Seems like there are two standards ay play here. Is this just another example of BYU designing a system for BYU to usurp the rules/system in BYU athletes favor? Or is it a way for BYU to lower their admissions standards without having it publically acknowledged?

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