I love how anti-gays are so understanding of Russia's right to persecute
gays.Would these anti-gays be as understanding of "Russia's
right" if it were persecuting, e.g., Christians?We never seem to
mind what governments do to people if those people are different from us.
It's only when those people are the same as us that our hackles rise.Yet the test of whether we're civilized or not is how well we can
honor and support those fellow humans who are very different from us.
@Brave --Godwin's Law was fulfilled in this topic long before
my post (in other threads and on other sites). Russia's current activities
are such an obvious parallel that it would be unthinkable to NOT mention the
Nazis."my congratulations to you."Thenq,
Contrarius, that was one of the best straw man arguments I've ever seen.
You also achieved Godwin's Law. That makes your post one of the greatest
ever on this site - my congratulations to you.
Can the upcoming Olympics please be about sportsmanship and not sexuality?
I'm hoping to enjoy it with my family.
@RockOn --"Just one question.Where are all the incensed people
over the dumb Russian anti-gay laws when they struck down freedom of the press;
when the Soviet Union murdered and destroyed 100 million lives. Granted, many
weren't born in 1990, but many were and remained silent.Where's the outrage over the way Islam treats women... and gays for that
matter."Do you seriously believe that people *aren't*
speaking out against these human rights violations?? Seriously?? "I'm afraid the "cause de jour" is but another fad political
rant from feckless people."One of the big reasons why it's
getting a lot of notice is because this is *new* discrimination -- it's
something that's getting worse. The other issues you mentioned are either
stable or improving.
Good for him speaking out.Just one question.Where are all the
incensed people over the dumb Russian anti-gay laws when they struck down
freedom of the press; when the Soviet Union murdered and destroyed 100 million
lives. Granted, many weren't born in 1990, but many were and remained
silent.Where's the outrage over the way Islam treats women...
and gays for that matter. I'm afraid the "cause de
jour" is but another fad political rant from feckless people.
@Christopher B --"No, Hitler's laws called for persecution
of someone for simply being Jewish."But Chris -- md and others
keep telling us that countries have the right to determine their own laws. Why
didn't Hitler have that same right?The first Nuremberg law was
ostensibly for the "prevention of the propagation of hereditary
illness". That sounds like a laudable goal, right? What's
wrong with preventing illness? And how is "preventing hereditary
illness" substantially different from "preventing the corruption of
children"?And do you seriously believe that, when a person can
be arrested for simply standing up and saying "I am gay", that person is
NOT being persecuted for simply being gay?
Contragion,No, Hitler's laws called for persecution of someone
for simply being Jewish.Russia's laws don't call for
prosecution of someone for simply having a preference for people of the same
gender.So poor attempt to connect those too.Would you
like to discuss what the law actually says?Or just play make believe
to try and validate your attempt at playing the victim card?Again,
great job by Russia here.Accept people for who they are, yet uphold
@md --"It's their right to have their law. Deal with
it."According to your logic, it was Hitler's right to have
his laws oppressing Jews. (Hitler also persecuted homosexuals, btw.)Should everyone have stayed out of that one too?"They have
made it clear if someone has chosen a particular preference that in and of
itself will not be prosecuted."Ha.That kid who was
violated and murdered simply told his friends that he was gay. He didn't
proselytize.That Duma official -- a member of the government,
remember -- you remember what he said. Even though his comments to police have
been posted in comments twice already, the moderator isn't allowing me to
post the same comment today. But you remember what he said. Do you really think
that wasn't persecution?Would you have supported Hitler's
anti-Jew laws, Chris?
@ Chris B: You can repeat your misunderstanding of the Russian law all you want
if it makes you sleep better. But your denial does not change the reality of
what the law says and what its effect is.
It would be nice if the conservative opinions of other athletes were so
I applaud Russia for standing up for what is right.They have made it
clear if someone has chosen a particular preference that in and of itself will
not be prosecuted.No one needs to shove their flamboyant lifestyle
choices in others faces and encourage others to behave as they do.Only that is against the law.It seems like a good compromise on
Russia's part.They are not discriminating against how anyone
is.Keep up the good work Russia!
@mdAnd this athlete had the right to his opinions and to express
them, deal with it.
It's their right to have their law. Deal with it. Here come the gay
protests before the Olympic games.