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Published: Thursday, Aug. 15 2013 4:55 p.m. MDT

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

I wish utahns were more for liberty and freedom and more against big government and wasteful spending at the state level.

gee-en
Salt Lake City, UT

God bless the Attorney General in upholding this truth! We'll be praying for you!

trueconservative
Northern Utah, UT

Why isn't a civil union "good enough"? Marriage has been between men and women for thousands of years. No one ever said it was discriminatory until about ten years ago. If those who perpetuate a belief in alternative lifestyles as a separate way to express ones sexuality, why not have an alternative to marriage to go with it? I am not afraid of what my neighbor does behind closed doors, that is their business...but forcing others to accept gay marriage is wrong. We all know where this path will go. What happens when the Catholic Clergy,LDS Clergy, Jewish Clergy etc. refuse to marry a gay couple on their own fundamental beliefs? Or what will happen when a religious organization refuse to allow a gay couple to be married on their property? They will be sued for discrimination, as it has always been done. If you don't think this will happen, look at the lawsuits in other states where gay marriage is the law.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

It's strange that some people want to redefine marriage to suit their lifestyle. They don't seem to care that same-sex marriage is not a "right" defined in the Constitution; therefore, it is a "duty" left to the States or to the people. The people of Utah defined marriage as the union between a man and a woman. That is part of our State constitution.

Sen. Jim Dabakis should know something about the Utah Constitution, if not, why is he serving in the Utah State Senate? Why would he, of all people, defend something that is unconstitutional in Utah? Why does he want to change marriage? Who gave him that right when 66% of the people of Utah said otherwise? Would he approve of bank robbery as an alternate way to finance the necessities of life just because a very small percentage of the population believed that they were bank-robbers and that they had a right to the necessities of life?

Some things were established by people with much great insight and authority than a Senator. Our Creator knew what would bring happiness to his children. Same-sex marriage was not on His list.

TOO
Sanpete, UT

Don't like it? Move to a state that does. Simple.

Aggielove
Cache county, USA

Between a man and a woman,

QuercusQate
Wasatch Co., UT

@trueconservative "Why isn't a civil union "good enough"?"

Utah's Amendment 3 doesn't permit same-sex marriages, and it also forbids anything else (i.e. civil union) that confers any of the rights of marriage to gays and lesbians. The amendment is obviously motivated by animus, and is obviously unconstitutional.

Even if Utah permitted gay civil unions, they would qualify as "separate, but equal." Separate, but equal laws have been unconstitutional since 1964.

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Salt Lake City, UT

We are all children of our Heavenly Father. He loves us. He wants us to be happy. There is only one path that happiness can be found on. Call it what you want, win the political battles all you want, tear down and destroy all the social standards that have existed before you, and fully reject believing in God, or a God that you don't dictate morality to at very least..

Do whatever you want with your agency.

But you can't choose whether God exists.
You can't choose His doctrines.
You can't choose His actions.

We all must return to God to be judged for our choices. No one can escape this.

While we are prone to flaw, His ways are just and fair, despite our understanding of His laws.

The truth has been told and you either accept it or not. But those of us who have lived sinful lives (in one form or another) and returned know both sides. We know the gospel is true.

You can't define truth. You can only choose to accept it or not. Happiness is only obtained through obedience to God's commandments. I know.

Sorry Charlie!
SLC, UT

@truecon
good question why don't those that appose same sex marriage just start having civil unions, then they can call it what ever they want within their religion?

@mikke

same sex marriage was not own your religions list/ its funny how some many claim to know what god is thinking and how seldom god disagrees with them no matter what the subject or their position on it.

QuercusQate
Wasatch Co., UT

@Mike Richards "...some people want to redefine marriage to suit their lifestyle. They don't seem to care that same-sex marriage is not a "right" defined in the Constitution."

Marriage has been defined by the Supreme Court to be a fundamental right; in fact, they've stated as much in almost 20 decisions.

In their response to the lawsuit, Utah's attorneys concede that marriage is a Constitutional right, but then claim that marriage between same-sex partners is NOT a right. They'll need to prove that there's a compelling state interest to bar GLBTs from the fundamental right to marry the person they love (rather than an opposite-sex partner). I think they won't be successful in proving such a thing.

Joggle
Somewhere In, HI

Denying gay couples to wed is a violation of religious freedom...considering the fact that religious and civil marriages are different institutions. The biggest reason why gay couples are being denied to get married is because major religions regard homosexuality as a sin. Contrary to this, the First Amendment of the Constitution states that...an individual’s religious views or lack thereof must be protected. If gay couples decide to forego church weddings and instead, have a civil union, the government needs to adhere to their request. State marriages are a secular activity. Just because religion depicts otherwise, does not mean the government should make such laws. Most experts and religious leaders agree religions will not be forced to perform gay wedding ceremonies. Many willing will though.

The main foundation of the United States is the concept that the majority should rule, however, the rights of minorities should also be protected. This is the reason why the Bill of Rights was established along with equal protection and anti-slavery amendments.

Marriage is the union between a couple who love one another. Utah will be forced to separate its church from its state to allow gay civil gay marriage.

FDRfan
Sugar City, ID

Mystery solved. Now I know why Utah is so heavily one party. Do you really feel empowered or just a bystander? We need a system where the majority decide the kind of government we want
on all issues. Why should we be forced to have such limited option? The overwhelming majority of Utahns support the ban and they should be simultaneously allowed to support non Republican policies in other matters. Abandon the Party system or just be pawns to be acted upon.

Red Corvette
SACRAMENTO, CA

We all know which side is going to win this one, don't we? The caravan is on its way!

Californian#1@94131
San Francisco, CA

I live in a state where elected public officials chose to refuse to do their sworn duty to uphold, protect, and defend the state's laws and constitutions. State and federal courts all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court supported these officials in their malfeasance and dereliction of duty, and in essence ruled that the voters are not entitled to legal representation.

Not all states have governors or attorneys general who flout the law and ignore their duties. Some officials do take their responsibilities seriously, do believe they have a duty to defend the laws of their state, and do not abuse their public offices to undermine the will of the people. Thank you, Utah.

As for the issues involved being so personal to some folks, consider how personal the traditional definition of marriage is to so many people. And consider the "seeming detachment" and even cavalier dismissal of those personal issues by those who support the radical redefinition of one of human civilization's basic institutions.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@california

I think it must be a case of the grass is always greener because I was just thinking I wish my state attorney would not waist my tax dollies defending an amendment that is doomed to fall.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ Californian: The US Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Federal laws, state constitutions, and state laws cannot violate the US Constitution - no matter how big the majority is that supports the violation.

E.S
Bountiful, UT

Can we just love one another without pointing fingers and condemning others?

merich39
Salt Lake City, UT

Are we protecting the traditional definition of marriage where one man marries one woman? Then they divorce and a couple years later he marries another woman. And then they also divorce and eventually he marries wife number three. And they also divorce. So finally he gives up on marriage altogether and just shacks up here and there. We wouldn't want gay marriage to endanger all those traditional hetero marriages.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:E.S.
"Can we just love one another without pointing fingers and condemning others?"

Yup

I don't know why people are gay or what makes people gay, but I trust that God will sort it out. In the meantime He commanded us to love our neighbors as ourselves, and my gay neighbors are wonderful people! So, that is what I'm striving to do.

tim_the_tool_man_taylor
Dallas, TX

@Joggle

Since when did homosexuality become a religion?

It is not a religion, and to say that it is a far stretch.

You talk about minorities having rights, and then you say that Utah will be "forced to separate its church from its state to allow gay civil gay marriage." Your logic seems fuzzy to me . . .

Marriage is between one man and one woman.

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