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Published: Thursday, Aug. 15 2013 11:58 a.m. MDT

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Christopher B
Ogden, UT

Currently, byu's football season is essentially over with the fist loss.

For example, last year when the University of Utah beat byu, the Utes essentially ended byu's season.

Although I can't say a WAC 2.0(MWC) championship is any better than independence.

Outside of a power conference championship, a "championship" is only ever talked about or cared about by people in that conference.

Either way, byu is "out" of the national picture

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

Honestly it's 6's in all reality. A WAC 2.0 MWC championship is nothing to brag about.

I'm frankly a little embarrassed I used to get excited about MWC championships and MWC games.

And that was back when BCS quality programs Utah and TCU were part of the league.

Yes now Boise is added. But you lost 2 BCS quality programs and gained 1.

So the MWC(which is the only league that would accept byu) is worse now than it was before.

I think the MWC is better off without byu(no prima donnas in league currently) and it winning the MWC championship isn't really something to brag about in the first place.

So basically it doesn't matter what byu chooses. Either way its not really notable.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

I think being independent is the next best thing to being in a power conference. If I had to choose between a power conference and independence I would choose the power conference hands down, if for nothing other than recruiting. In the Big 12 BYU would play the big teams week in and week out while still having a shot at a conference title and individual all-conference awards and accolades.

I love independence for now, but I want to be in a major conference at some point. Yes, Utah fans, this is a Cougar fan admitting that between your position and independence, I'd take your position. Unfortunately for U, your position still doesn't make U a better program than BYU so I am, and will always be Cougar blue.

Tomahawk Red
North Salt Lake, UT

This article brings up a few decent points, but completely misses the target.

Giles' attempt to minimize the significance of conference championships is disingenuous. And it tells us what we already know.

1. Yes, the Independence schedules are better than the MWC schedules.

2. Yes, the MWC was an insignificant conference.

3. Utah and BYU basically ran the league

However, the same argument does NOT hold up when talking about membership in a Big 5 conference.

Scheduling as an independent is better than playing in the MWC. however, scheduling some good-to-great games as an independent is not better than playing as part of the Pac 12 or big 12.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

One of the great things BYU has going for itself is that it doesn't have to worry if the system will give it a chance to play against the big boys. It already will be playing BCS-type games during the season.

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This season yes, what about in the future?

No idea, considering the Big 5 (the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC and Pac-12) are pushing to create another division in college football.

STuFOO
Korea, AE

What a shocker. The Chrissy's were the first to add their meaningful observations.

I found this hilarious:

"Outside of a power conference championship, a "championship" is only ever talked about or cared about by people in that conference."

Outside any conference, no one cares about who the conference champions are. It is just like naming who won the third place BCS bowl in 2003...

No one cares.

This one is good too:

"when the University of Utah beat BYU, the Utes essentially ended byu's season."

Really? In what regard? In your mind? BYU had at least five other teams to look forward to. In fact, I would suggest that real football players looked forward to all the games.

When you add both the chrissy comments together you also get:

"winning the MWC championship isn't really something to brag about in the first place."

So I guess because conference championships mean everything,I mean nothing, but the MWC championship meant nothing anyway...

the u has nothing to brag about.

(Once again, no one cares who won the 3rd place BCS bowls)

Christine B. Hedgefog
Salt Lake City, UT

Chrissy "So basically it doesn't matter what byu chooses. Either way its not really notable."
And yet notable enough for you to double spout an opinion.

"Either way, byu is "out" of the national picture"
And, in case you've been out of the country for a while this will come as news to you, your team is out of the PAC-12 championship picture, and not even mentioned by any reputable news source on the national picture.

STuFOO
Korea, AE

Love how ute fans think that being in a big conference is special now that they are in, but not when they weren't.

"However, the same argument does NOT hold up when talking about membership in a Big 5 conference."

Yeah cause when I think of college football I automatically start naming off the winners of the SEC, ACC, Big 10, and Big 12 conference. I love to search out articles on who won those conferences in years past, and live to watch them play.

Do you honestly think that fans and players sit around all day and worship "power conferences?" (apparently some u fans do.)

At least have a little candor.

dumprake
Washington, UT

Amen. Amen, and amen!

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

It's laughable that our insecure little friends on the hill have to chime in every time BYU's status as an Independent is discussed.

Except for their twin flash-in-the-pan seasons in 2004 and 2008, the Utes have ALWAYS been "out" of the national picture, and that hasn't changed even with Utah's PAC 12 membership.

Utah fans continue to delude themselves with the false claim that Utah's season isn't over because of one loss. The truth is, the Utes have absolutely no chance of making the playoffs with a loss. A Utah team not capable of beating BYU or Utah State or Fresno State has ZERO chance of running the table to win the PAC.

Christofer and his friends are just blowing smoke. They have absolutely no proof that Utah, with an early season loss to BYU or Utah State, would be included in the mix of playoff teams.

They're all talk; the Utes haven't even proven that they can beat a PAC 12 with a winning record.

Ifel Of'a-sofa
Alpine, Utah

funny that when byu and utah were in the MWC, it was all the talk about how great they were and being conf champs, but now that they are out they try and downplay the conference.

As fans and money aside, most would like their team to win vs lose.

So lose in the pac12, and by lose I mean doormat lose, or win in the MWC.
Lose as an indy and struggle to fill a schedule every year, or win in the MWC.

The MWC is the best non BCS conference out there.

Go Aggies!

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

IfelSofa,

You're trying to beat your chest because once in the past 20 years you beat us?

LOL

There is a reason Utah was invited to the Pac 12 and usu wasn't.

Yes, the MWC is the best non-BCS conference.

And the Pac 12 is much better than the MWC(WAC 2.0)

Remember that the MWC lost its best 3 teams.

So the MWC isn't even what the MWC was when we were in it.

Its as close to the WAC as to the former MWC.

But you keep enjoying the MWC.

Because I LOVE my Pac 12 membership!

You'll just have to trust me though, since you'll never get to experience both!

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

Tomahawk Red

"Giles' attempt to minimize the significance of conference championships is disingenuous."

What's really disingenuous is the fanbase of a program that's only won 6 conference championships in the last half century lecturing the fanbase of a program that's won 23 conference championships in the same time period about the significance of conference championships.

Since when has winning a conference championship ever been significant to Utah fans.

Conference Championships
Bronco 2
Kyle 1

The sad truth for U is, BYU has about as much chance of winning a conference championship as an Independent as Utah has as a member of the PAC.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

Bottom line is being in a conference - the right conference - is better than being independent. How do we know this? Because if independence were the best, more of the big teams would do it. Alabama hasn't done it. Neither has Texas, Florida, Ohio St., Oklahoma, or USC. Notre Dame only did it because they have the best TV deal in the country (all games televised on NBC), and despite that, word is they are considering joining a conference.

If you could anonymously poll every athletic director in the country about whether they prefer independence to being in a conference, my guess is it's a 119-0 vote....even Holmoe wants to be in a conference. Why else would he keep courting the Big 12? If independence were great he wouldn't be making all these phone calls.

TrueBlue
Orem, UT

talkinsports

"The sad truth for U is, BYU has about as much chance of winning a conference championship as an Independent as Utah has as a member of the PAC."

Facetious, but true.

Ifel Of'a-sofa
Alpine, Utah

chrissyb... not pounding my chest at all, and not comparing the MWC to the pac12 either.

what I am saying is that your BEST years were in the MWC and you are a doormat now. A well paid doormat but a doormat none the less.

I dont care how long it has been since the last time we beat you... but until you beat us... we BEAT you and we are better. We are ranked higher and you make more money and that's it.

You are not a gem to the pac12 you are a doormat, and every conference has them.

Until you do something in the pac12, you had best not spout off, it makes you look foolish.

MUSSing with U
Baltimore, MD

christy

Currently, Utah's season is over with opening game kickoff; the Utes have no realistic chance of winning a PAC title.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

I love to debate the finer points of BYU fandom and would love to talk about the pros and cons of being in a conference...

However,

When someone posts repeatedly on the same article...

Marking it down with the same negative comments over and over and over...

And does it using several double spaced lines...

Because they want to take as much space as possible believing it will bring more attention to their post and somehow validate their negativity...

I consider that SPAM and wish it was not permitted on these discussion boards.

Personally, I'm grateful trolls are permitted to post because it makes for interesting discussion and personally gives me an excuse to do research on my favorite team. But having certain poster always having the first (and second and third...) posts, thereby dictating the direction of the conversation, is getting tiresome.

Does anyone else think there should be a "no troll for the first ten posts" policy?

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

BYU's move to Independence has many more plusses than minuses. Nobody should underestimate the value of BYU's television partnership with ESPN, something that never would have been possible as a member of the MWC. The only thing better would be membership in the Big 12.

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In case you missed it, Tayo Fabuluje has received acceptance into BYU. Bronco is now able to discuss with Tayo plans for re-joining BYU's football program. Bronco released Fabuluje from BYU in 2010 allowing him to receive a scholarship at TCU. Not surprisingly, Coach Patterson didn't reciprocate.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

Is it really an advantage to play big boy schools and lose?

Giles should know that BYU has a losing record against teams from power conferences.

Is losing to the big boys really how BYU expects to make a place for itself in the modern era of college football?

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