MacNasty--"BYU fans appreciate a great basketball team by
supporting it.No matter how you cut it, BYU basketball is a big time
program.Here's to another great season to come!!!"Except, of course, when it comes to what truly matters, The NCAA
Tourney....NCAA Leader in Tourney appearances w/out ever reaching The Final
Four, for a reason!
I would venture a guess that MOST people around the nation think University of
Utah and Utah State University are the same school. Outside of our region they
would be hard pressed to name any accomplishment that the Utes have made. Given
there introduction into the PAC12, that one game against Alabama may remain as
the greatest school achievement in football.BYU on the other hand is
instantly recognizable because it has a global reach.Would BYU
"jump" at the chance to go into the PAC 12? BYU didn't jump at the
chance when they had discussions with the Big 12 which is a deeper conference
football wise than the PAC. No, BYU as an institution is better off
independent. Sure many fans wanted PAC membership. However, aligning with the
PAC lessens exposure for the program. It also would mean no TV rights, which
was the likely deal killer with the Big 12.
Christopher BDo you need help understanding the multicolor chart
provided in the article? FYI: You might want to read the post by
Danish American. BYU, I believe, won 2 NIT championships when the NIT was the
premier post season tournament.Danish AmericanStan Watts
was a class act as well.
christyIt's hysterical how Utah fans absolutely refuse to
acknowledge any BYU accomplishments in football prior to 2004, yet as soon as
basketball is brought up, suddenly SEVENTY years ago is like yesterday.Face it, the Utes haven't done anything of significance in basketball
since Bogut, the last remnant of the Majerus era, left Utah. It's been
almost a decade since the Utes won their last game in the NCAA tournament.As far as big time programs go, Utah is a washed up has been.During the Dave Rose EraBYU 209-66 (76%), EIGHT 20+ win seasons, 6
NCAAs, 4 conf championships, 12-3 head-to-headUtah 116-137 (46%), ONE 20+
win season, 1 NCAA, 1 conf championship, 6 losing seasons7 in a row,
11 of the last 12, 149-145 overallThe Utes haven't beaten BYU
since squeaking out an OT win in the HC in Jan 2009.Just admit it;
BYU owns U in basketball.
Actually, Christopher B, you are probably not old enough to remember it and
probably too stubborn to admit it, but when I was young the NIT was the National
Title Tournament. BYU won it. Majerus had some great teams but he wasn't
the class act that Jack Gardner or Jerry Pimm were.
I love the jealous rants of the utsies on the hill. They use this tactic to
draw attention away from the train wreck on the hill in football and basketball.
Utah is in a free-fall in basketball and will continue to slide in football in
their beloved conference who by the way barely notices they are even there. I
live in PAC country and believe me,Utah is NEVER NEVER mentioned in ANY
conversations unless it is like this: "Hey look, we have Utah on our
schedule, there an easy win" Utah fans seem to think that they are
more worthy of membership than the rest of the conference. You live in your
little crimson bubble but maybe you should live outside the bubble for a bit to
see what the rest of the country thinks of your programs. Now that's a
Macnasty,No matter how you cut it, BYU basketball is a big time
program.You mean other than sweet 16's and final fours
right?0 final fours in the history of your program?1 sweet 16
in the last 30 years?Please tell me what other "big time
programs" have similar accomplishments?LOL
Wow chrissy has a HUGE crush on the Pac12Too bad it is not
reciprocated.The feeling you have about the PAC 12 are not the same
as the PAC 12 for u.
"byu, boise, san diego, unlv would say "how high" if the Pac 12
called and told them to jump"Your team said "how high"
too. Problem is they tripped on the first hurdle out of the blocks while
placing PAC stickers all over east Salt Lake and haven't got back up yet,
in any major sport. Be sure to let us know when the boys on the hill accomplish
anything noteworthy in the PAC-12, in BB or FB. It won't be any time soon.
(And no, battling with Colorado for 5th and 6th place in the south isn't
considered noteworthy. Nor is having bragging rights to claim that Marshall
Henderson is a former member of your elite fraternity)
As my little sister inadvertantly admitted, since we have no accomplishments of
our own, we're forced to hide behind the skirts of our PAC 12
associates.BYU, on the other hand, is fully capable of producing
their own accomplishments.
Christopher B7 in a row; 11 of the last 12; 149-145 overallBYU owns U in basketball, with no end of that domination in sight.The hard truth is, the only reason Utah fans have to beat their gums
incessantly about their PAC 12 membership, is because the Utes have absolutely
ZERO accomplishments of their own worth mentioning.btw, if the Utes
counted actual warm bodies in seats, instead of paid attendance of season ticket
holders who no longer bother to attend games, the actual attendance in the HC
for last season would be closer to 5,000 fans. That FACT is blatantly evident by
the vast sea of empty red chairs clearly visible BELOW concourse at every Utah
RE: CrispyI won't presume to speak for Cougarnation, but I
personally would take independence in football and affiliation with lesser
conferences in all other sports over membership in the PAC12. I have some of my
own personal biases for that decision, but the well documented increase in
exposure, television revenue, and geographic reach makes it a legitimately
difficult decision. Now, if the Big 12 came calling, that's another
@Wicgougarfan,Don't embarrass yourself by pretending byu
wouldn't jump at a Pac 12 invite.If you want to argue you like
independence/WCC better than MWC at least I can buy some of your arguments. But to argue you'd prefer independence/WCC over Pac 12 in all
sports?Who do you think you're fooling?LOL!
And this on a down year! Next season should be even better!!!
“BYU fans appreciate a great basketball team by supporting it.“True.“The top 3 & 4 out of the top 5 are NOT from the
Pac-12?”True.“the PAC12 has [not] been
particularly strong for several years at basketball.”True“Number of programs in the west who aren't in the Pac 12 and
wouldn't accept a Pac 12 invite if the Pac 12 called: Zero.”Probably true, although maybe not BYU “And the jealousy of
the Pac 12 continues”Uninitiated, unsubstantiated, frantic and
emotional call for attention
The Marriott is a great atmosphere to watch a game. Not surprised the least that
BYU is at the top out west. They have been 3 years in a row now and they went up
compared to last year in numbers. It also helps to have a 20,900 capacity arena.
With the recruiting class coming in BYU will stay number one for at least the
next 5 years. Can't wait for basketball! BYU football is a tasty appetizer
but BYU basketball is the main course for me. GO Cougs!!!
As the team continues to get better and better (as it inevitably will with all
the talent in the pipeline) the attendance will continue to climb. I love
cheering for Lone Peak... I mean Brigham Young University! Go Cougs!
I don't believe that the PAC12 has been particularly strong for several
years at basketball. Its very perplexing considering how dominate Arizona, UCLA
and even Utah used to be. That lack of quality play probably has turned off
many of the fans.Take Utah as an example. They used to be a
national fixture during the Majerus years. The Huntsman center (that is the
place the basketball team plays in for the Ute fans who don't know) was
sold out before the season began, but now seems half empty. The Utes had
probably their best team in a decade last year. Not enough Ute fans came back.
Its a shame.BYU on the other hand had a one-win season in recent
memory. The fans endured that painful year, but kept on coming. The team turned
the corner. That may be what separates BYU fans from those who profess a
certain Crimson Red team. BYU fans always have ahown up. If the other program
has to endure a Crowton-esque experience, will they still have people at the
games come November?
Let me see if I get this right.The top 3 & 4 out of the top 5
are NOT from the Pac-12?Hmmm...
Apparently they have a very popular product.The football team wasn't
great last year but they also had very good attendance.So did Rugby.So did Vollyball.So did Women's soccer.So did baseball.So did most teams.And you could see lots of games on a national TV
network.or on their own HD national channel.They must have a
very popular product.Seems it's the product...not the conference
A great time to be a Cougar fan!
Can't argue with that. Love seeing BYU successful in everything they do.
Here's to a good 2013-2014 sports year all around!
BYU fans appreciate a great basketball team by supporting it.No
matter how you cut it, BYU basketball is a big time program.Here's to another great season to come!!!