@ procuradorfiscal:Without unions and the labor movement, we would
still have the conditions that caused the Triangle Shirtwaist fire, with
sweatshops exploiting the poor and powerless. Employers would be able to demand
that workers work seven days a week for twelve hours a day with no vacations, no
time off for illness, and would be able to pay them as little as they wanted.
Look at the conditions in third world sweatshops and remember that it used to be
like that here as well. If that's what we need to have in order to compete
with other countries, we're in bigger trouble than we realize.Perhaps part of the problem with Labor Day is that no one remembers what it
was for. It's become nothing more than a day with sales on merchandise,
where the workers are working harder than ever to take care of customers rather
than being "what it's all about." It's a bit reminiscent of
my last employer, who insisted that I work on Veteran's Day, although I was
allowed an hour off to march in the parade and didn't have to change out of
my uniform before returning.
Let's just hope that "Procurdorfiscal" works in a non-union
sweatshop, with no benefits, at part time wages, and has NO job protections.
After all, we wouldn't want him (the scorn indicates an angry man) to be
guilty of hypocracy, and we wouldn't want him to be making enough money to
ever be accused of "Socialist Principals." The less he earns, the more
there is for profits for Halliburton, G.E., and all the other Vulture
Capitalists. One imagines he could be very proud of himself if he lives in a tar
paper shack, has no college education, and lives at poverty levels. Unfair
assessment? It's HIS values.
The calender from the D A V is a good reminder about the disabled vet's.
The conflict we are in isn't about how many people that are killed but how
many come home disabled. It seems to me If we can save their lives, why put them
in harms way to be hurt.
Re: "The reason you have weekends, 8 hour workdays, vacation days, workplace
safety conditions, and a host of other benefits is because unions fought for
them."And, once the trade-union movement bought off the rubes
with those "gifts," that they continue to disingenuously take credit
for, they continued to peddle that socialist dependency snake oil for the next
100 years.There are even a few callow rubes that continue to buy
today.But, step back. Take a deep breath. Ask yourself -- what have
unions done for you lately?They drove whole industries and the good
jobs in those industries overseas. They bankrupted or required reorganization of
the steel, railroad, auto-making, retail grocery, telecom, airline, trucking,
and electronics industries, destroying or decrementing millions of good jobs.
They destroyed most cities in the rust belt, including, most recently,
Detroit.And, worst of all, they recently deprived me of my favorite
snack cakes.Unions. Hah. What are they good for? . . . .
@procuradorfiscal"the most destructive, anti-prosperity, anti-American
leftist political movement in American history."Then how come
wealth inequality has spiked the past thirty years at the same time that the
percentage of the labor force in unions has plummeted? The reason you have
weekends, 8 hour workdays, vacation days, workplace safety conditions, and a
host of other benefits is because unions fought for them.
"Fortunately, on Labor Day, most Americans celebrate the end of summer,
rather than than anything to do with Big Labor."If September
11th became a holiday (and I don't think that would be appropriate
regardless) I'm afraid it would become what Labor Day is now, pushed back a
Millhouse put it very well. There are a number of military related holidays. And
labour could use a little recognition instead of all the abuse it's taken
lately, even if that recognition is a long weekend mattress blowout sale.
I appreciate all of the things that our veterans have done for us. But we do
already have Memorial Day (near the end of WWII in Europe and the Civil War) and
Veterans Day (marking the end of WWI), not to mention Flag Day and Independence
Day. The American worker deserves recognition. We would not have won
any of the wars of the 20th century without the battleships built in American
shipyards or the economic growth created by our manufacturers. To replace a
celebration of American labor with another holiday dedicated to America's
military superiority would send an unfortunate message to future generations:
America is great because we build things, not because we destroy them.