U 90,I do not pretend to know everything about how BYU funds
facilities. They are a private university and thus they have a right to keep
such matters private. From conversations with church and BYU officials that I
have had I do feel comfortable in stating that when the athletic facility is
going to be used by the general student body then yes, general church funds
including tithing can be used. The Marriott Center is a good example of that.
It is used by both the general student body for events and graduation ceremonies
and the basketball team. Thus general church funds were probably used. But,
BYU does a good job of getting donors to fund projects and most facilities at
BYU have donor money involved. We won't know the exact mix of donor money
and church funds because of the privacy issue. But again, when the facility is
used by the general student body and donors cannot cover the entire cost BYU
will cover the balance with church funds.
TheSportsAuthority,Please provide references supporting your claim
that no tithing money is used to help pay for BYU facilities. Good luck.
Duckhunter and The Sports Authority,All true and no stretch. You see, I verify and confirm all my information. Now granted, we can
all look at the same set of facts and come to different conclusions. I do not
pretend or expect that Duckhunter and I will ever agree on most issues. But I
read reports. I do my own research. When I am in meetings or social events
with people in the know which may include coworkers, state or church officials,
project managers and university officials both U of U and BYU I get into
conversations with them and this gives me a chance to confirm and verify
information that I dispense in other settings and on this board.
Duckhunter"You don't have any clue if what dutchman is
posting are "facts" or if he is simply making them all up. Nice try but
FAIL.That said SOME of dutchmans contentions are true, some are,
shall we say, stretches."Well said.
U90"BYU's share of the 04 Fiesta and 08 Sugar bowl payouts
as well as Utah Fan tithing money is helping your school pay cash for new
facilities "all at one time".Nice try, but BYU's share
of the Fiesta and Sugar Bowl payouts was miniscule and no tithing money is used
to pay for new athletic facilities - 100% of the funds used to build BYU's
indoor practice and training facilities came from BYU donors, as will the funds
to pay for BYU's new basketball training facility.
Utes-Best Brothers: My post proven by the fact that you posting on a story that
has nothing to do with byU. That and the fact that you have to have a moniker
with "Utes" in it. We love that you come to all stories
Utah and post your love. Thanks for your support and for proving my point, as
@jdubYou don't have any clue if what dutchman is posting are
"facts" or if he is simply making them all up. Nice try but FAIL.That said SOME of dutchmans contentions are true, some are, shall we
Dutchman,Thank you for continuing to post the facts about the University
of Utah's funding of athletics. As we know, trolls will continue to post
various lies about the use of tax dollars hoping to catch an unknowing poster
here and there to buy into their lies. I guess they are hoping someone in
government and curtail the U's athletics so that BYU can hope to compete on
the football field. Sad.
SportsFan,Athletic facilities at the U are built using funds from
major donors and sometimes revenue bonds which are paid back in full by ticket
sales, concessions, donors and sometimes student fees when the students put
their support behind a project and vote to fund it. The State of Utah does not
and will not fund athletic facilities. I can only conjecture what BYU does
because I am not an authority on how they fund projects but it is my
understanding from talking to various project managers both at the state and
church level, that if the LDS Church determines that an athletic facility like
the BYU indoor practice facility for instance will be used by the general
student body for intramural sports, then BYU will throw in some money from the
Church to help build that the facility if it is also used by students. The
State of Utah will not do that at the U. State tax money that goes to the U
only funds education programs as I mentioned in a previous post.
Y fans,Your pathetic trolling is as amusing as always.Back to
the topic at hand... It will be nice when there is finally an open house for the
public. I would hope that it will be sometime after "national signing
day," and before the first day of spring camp.Go Trolls!Go
Sports Fan,Call us when the Cougs can actually beat the crappy team
with the dumpy facilities.
SportsFan,Yes it is indeed a benefit to BYU to have a strong
financial owner and supporter like the LDS Church and its alumni who donate to
build such nice facilities. I am both a member of the Church and an alum who
earned a graduate degree at BYU. It may interest you to know that
the LDS Church is also a major contributor to the U of U. I just received my U
of U Development Newsletter in the mail and it lists all the major donors
between March of 2013 to June of 2013. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
Saints was on the list. The Church also gave a $4.4 million donation for the
construction of the new Law School Building. I hope that you are OK with this.
DutchmanImpressive list of construction projects happening at the
U.Call us when Utah stops "making plans to upgrade RES" and
actually starts construction.btw, what's the plan for paying
for all of this new construction since the state doesn't give Utah a dime
for constructing new athletic facilities?
SportsFan,You're welcome, I'm glad BYU's share of the
04 Fiesta and 08 Sugar bowl payouts as well as Utah Fan tithing money is helping
your school pay cash for new facilities "all at one time".
Pac-12 facilities + MWC coaching staff = Pac-12 facilities + new coaching staff.
Dutchman"Yes, BYU has had a nice football facility for a decade
but it was built all at one time."And paid for all at one
time.Which will be the case when BYU builds its new basketball
Utes-Best Lil Brothers,As for the stadium, the plans for expansion
are drawn and a committee is meeting and working now on how to account for the
Olympic pieces in the south end zone and how to incorporate the Olympic Cauldron
into the new stadium design. A lot is happening at the U right now in terms of
construction not only for athletic facilities but academic as well. Here are a
few projects:$125 million medical trauma center. This is a huge
facility. I guess it would eat up about a quarter of BYU's campus in
area.$65 million new law school building$55 million new
Dental School buildingNew education buildingA new
College of Pharmacy building was just dedicated in AprilThe U is
also working with the South Korean Government to build a satellite campus in
that countryThe new additions to RES are ready and will get started
Utes-Best Lil Brothers,Construction is underway on the $50 million
George Eccles Student Rec Center near the 2002 Winter Olympics Legacy Bridge.
When that is complete then all student Rec activities can be moved out of the
HPER complex. Design work has already started to renovate the HPER complex into
a high class basketball training facility and swimming complex. Also, the
Huntsman Center will undergo upgrades. Construction on all this will start when
the new Rec Center is completed. In the meantime a new women's softball
stadium is nearly complete and and outdoor tennis complex is ready to get
started next to the indoor tennis facility. Yes, BYU has had a nice
football facility for a decade but it was built all at one time. Utah has had
the indoor facility and the weight training center for some time. The only
piece missing was the facility just completed. Put all the pieces together and
Utah's football center is now up there with the best.
Seems like a very nice facility. How much it improves Utah's recruiting
and, more importantly, how much it improves Utah's football program,
remains to be seen, and may be impossible to quantify.It does seem
reasonable to assume that at least a few recruits will be positively influenced
and that the product on the field could be improved though better conditioning.
"Can't wait to see some official pictures"There's
really not much to see; it's just an empty shell.
VegasUteWhy would BYU fans be jealous? BYU has had a similar
facility for almost a decade.It's nice to see our little
brothers finally building some decent facilities. When are you going to upgrade
that tiny little stadium of yours?
Can't wait to see some official pictures!!Go Utes! Jealous byU
"fans" are welcome to join us by posting your love to this story too!
One of the perks of my "bcs membership" is being able to enjoy bowl week
with my little sister watching from the comfort of our couch.
I love my BCS membership!
TWinston,You know better. It has been posted here many times. Utah
tax payer money that is appropriated to the U of U of about $253 million a year
goes entirely to educate grad and under grad students at about a 40% level. The
state used to support grad and under grad programs at the U at a 75% level. No
state taxes go to support the athletic department. In fact, the athletic
department pays the U for the tuition and fees used by the student athletes.
There's no stopping us; now that we're in our new practice facility,
we'll be winning Rose Bowls and National Championships every year.
As an Ute fan I'd like to thank all the byu and USU fans that helped make
this possible through taxes from hard earned income.
Dirk,I understand the point of not holding a public open house but some
photos or video would be cool.