Nick Kurtz is a HUGE get. And Dale looks like a versatile speedster that could
help on either side of the ball... There is a lot of reason to be excited
about the direction the programm is headed.
Hmm, Chris B told me that BYU would never get good talent because of the
restrictive religious pressures in Provo. This sounds like a mistake. Someone
who is NOT Mormon chose to come to BYU BECAUSE of the morals, values, and to
play some good football? Whooosh! (mind blown)
Welcome Cedric and Nick! I look forward to watching both of you play at BYU. Best of luck to both of you!
What a great couple of young men... Not only great Football Players, but Great
Football Players with Substance and Smarts... They will be huge contributers to
our Program and I can't wait to see them in Blue...
And how many athletes have not even looked at byu or been prevented from
finishing their career due to byu's "unique" environment?LOL!
Chris,You can lol all you want but this flies in the face of
everything you have touted about BYU recruiting. BYU doesn't have to get
every non-Mormon recruit. What a ridiculous comment.
I was hoping to get on here before the snarky comments started... Oh well.I think the beauty of this story is that BYU is beginning to see the
benefits of doing that which it really doesn't have a choice in anyway.There may be thousands of gifted athletes who will choose NOT to come to
BYU because of the standards it upholds. They have hundreds of other schools to
choose from.But there are tens, and maybe hundreds, of gifted
athletes who will CHOOSE an environment like BYU BECAUSE of those same
standards. As awareness of BYU rises, and make no mistake, awareness of BYU IS
rising, those coming in ones and twos will increase in number, athleticism, and
commitment to higher values.THAT is a positive thing. I hope it
doesn't ruin anyone's day.
Even Wes Welker couldn't convince him not to come to BYU. Sounds like a kid
who knows what he wants. Glad to have both of them.
Chris B.............tell us about what is unique about your college choice?
That's my point, there is nothing unique. Some will like the unique nature
of BYU others will not. Some will look at their school of choice to how it will
prepare them for the future as men. Some will not.Remind me again
what your point was? Because it made no sense.
Excited to see the contributions these two recruits will make with their rare
combination of physical skills, good judgment, and high personal character.
Hey Chris,What happened? Nick Kurtz picked BYU over Oregon and
Kansas state. Perhaps BCS membership holds a little less weight than you
have been touting? This is BYU's 3rd commitment this week. And all 3 are
3-star + recruits with multiple BCS school offers. How do you
The athletes with multiple BCS offers are choosing BYU. The inferiority complex
must be growing by leaps and bounds, eh chris.
Nice pick ups. Can everyone from this point on ignore this Chris B fellow. He
obviously just sits and refreshes this DesNews site all day hoping to throw in
some snide comment. He seems to like that BYU fans (as well as a bunch of Utah
fans) hate his comments. Lets just act like he is that annoying little brother
who we dont want to play with until he runs to tell mom. Go BYU!
BYU is incredibly attractive to athletes who believe a religious life is the
preferred life. Welcome to BYU guys where you can play some nationally
recognized and respected football AND not have to sacrifice your standards!
Enjoy ESPN, enjoy playing big time games, enjoy playing across the nation, enjoy
going to bowl games, enjoy seeing that NC trophy on campus. Go get another
Not everyone chooses to play against the best possible competition... USC and
Oregon for example...Some have other priorities... nothing wrong
Hey guys don't forget that we have guys coming in to walk on that are not
LDS, like the kid from Marietta, GA's Kell High School because he likes the
program and what it stands for.Go Cougars! Can't wait to go to
Nick Kurtz is a HUGE pickup for BYU. Great size, great hands, great speed. A
solid 4 star receiver who just visited Oregon 2 days ago, and both Oregon &
TT were coming hard for him, while Kentucky and Kansas St were coming fast and
hard to...he visited K State a week ago. I guess he saw everything in BYU he was
looking for, and spurned some of the bigger programs in the country for the Y.
Congrats Mendenhall & BYU for one of the bigger commits this year. I look
forward to seeing both of these guys in Cougar blue.
I don't know, Chris B. You must know, since you seem to know everything
about BYU. Tell us, how many?
“College is about becoming a better man, a better student and a better
football player, and BYU is the school that will help me do that most.”
What else needs to be said, this kid summed it up pretty good. Who
cares that other schools send more to the NFL. There are more important things
in life than football and the NFL, BYU just provides the best balance. If you prefer life in the PAC-10.2 or SEC go for it. Leave space on BYU's
roster for those who want to develop as Nick and Cedric have chosen. Welcome to
I'm with you BYU Fan in DC. This is the last time I will type the name of
Chris B. Hopefully others will join our ignore campaign. Utah will always be a
rival, but most fans there are not hateful, snide or obsessed. It was probably
a couple of these trolls who really got Max Hall all fired up a couple of years
ago. I really like the talent and potential of the recruits we are
getting. Three great commitments this week. I thought Hoffman and Apo were
tall WRs, but Mathews and Kurtz will tower over them.
Nice pick up! BYU seems pretty stacked at receiver this year and it seems like
that trend will continue.
The train rolls on. It no doubt is getting under the skin of you know who. The
boys up north can only sit and watch, and they don't like what they see.Good times coming - go Cougars!!
RE: Howard S. "Not everyone chooses to play against the best
possible competition... USC and Oregon for example...Some have other
priorities... nothing wrong with that."Yeah, because Texas,
Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Michigan, Boise State, and Nebraska are horrible
competition. Oh, and BYU is playing USC, so I guess Oregon must trump all of
the previously mentioned teams. No wonder Kurtz turned down Oregon for BYU. No
The world according to Howard S: "Not everyone chooses to play against the
best possible competition... USC and Oregon for example..."Good
try, Howie. We're playin' USC. And Stanford. And not just them, but
Notre Dame. And Texas. And Wisconsin, Nebraska, Georgia Tech, Michigan,
Virginia, etc. Join the Y, play the college football world in four different
time zones, on readily accessible national TV just about every week, not just on
the West Coast on sideband satellite channel 2187b. Young Mr. Kurtz wishes to
take part. His family wishes to see him every week! A wise young man and a
happy family! Welcome aboard, Mr. Kurtz!
Chrissy bleats: "And how many athletes ... (have) been prevented from
finishing their career due to byu's "unique" environment?" Chrissy, can you actually document one player who couldn't access
the wide world of college football, in Division 1, 2, or 3, amongst 300+ teams
-- because of insidious, evil BYU blocking them from doing so???? Names and
dates, please -- you're going to have a tough time wetting a crying towel
on this one, hon. But here, I'm charitable tonight, so I'll give you
a head start ...Waaaahhhhhhhhhhh............... :-)
Howard S."Not everyone chooses to play against the best possible
competition... USC and Oregon for example..."or against some of
the worst competition... Washington State and Colorado, for example.
It seems that these two men had a strong connection to BYU, as much for the
atmosphere as for the football program, and made commitments to the Cougs. As a
Utah fan, I have a simple two part comment.First congratulations to
both the school and the athletes. I hope this works out well.Second, having some non LDS players (or non Catholic player at Notre Dame) can
only help diversify the program which is good for everyone.
There is no doubt that Cedric Dale could be a good weapon at RB, but when you
consider his talents and abilities, along with what BYU's needs are, and
quite frankly where this kid could contribute the most, I think BYU has got to
play him at corner. Seriously, when you look at how deep the current backfield
is and how badly BYU needs depth at corner, he could be a star there if he stays
patient. He could be the next Jordan Johnson in the next couple years and start,
he may even be better than Jordan Johnson in the future. That is where he will
shine the most. If he plays running back, he'll just be another convert on
third down, play out of the slot, contribute on special teams guy. He won't
be the every down guy, he just won't. If BYU plays him at corner, though,
he could be THE guy in a couple years.
re:CO Uteparker, COThanks good comment
"Not everyone chooses to play against the best possible competition... USC
and Oregon for example..."Do you say the same thing about
football players who play ON the Oregon team?
Much better recruiting year compared to the past couple of years. Kurtz had 7
offers from BCS schools (according to Rivals). Compare that to last years
recruits. Of the 31 listed on Rivals Kearsley had 8 BCS offers and the other 30
had a total of 9!So glad we won't have to play against him!
(Assuming he comes in and plays in 2014 and 2015) Not afraid of him, I'm
just glad we won't be playing the Y those years! I wonder who Michigan
@ Co Ute,"...having some non LDS players (or non Catholic player
at Notre Dame) can only help diversify the program which is good for
everyone."Simply classy and oozing in civility! Thanks!!! Go Cougars! And go Utes too...(after we put a hurtin on y'all
hopefully come Sept!) Keeping my fingers crossed but definitely not holding my
breath! Those 300+lbs poly mammoths on the Utes o line worries me a lot! Dang,
wished they hadn't all chose Utah. Hope they tear up the PAC 12 though
after we beat them. Wouldn't that be sweet! Let the season begins! Got
tickets already for the Virginia game and I can't wait.
Wow, BYU hopes to compete for a "National Championship" by
competing for recruits with Texas Tech, Colorado State, Nevada-Reno and North
Texas.........good luck with that. You will be fortunate to beat Weber State.
I know Sterling Castlemain (he is currently on a mission in Russia)and have seen
Cedric play - he is fast and will be a huge asset to the team. Getting excited
for the future and this season - Go Cougs!!
RE: Howard S. "Not everyone chooses to play against the best
possible competition... USC and Oregon for example..."I
apologize for my earlier post. For some reason I thought you were trying to
slam BYU and their upcoming opponents. Upon re-reading your post I see that
you're simply pointing out that USC and Oregon choose not to "play
against the best possible competition." I looked it up and sure enough,
Oregon's SOS is ranked #58 and faces the formidable Nicholls State,
Colorado, Utah, and Washington State. USC plays a marginally better schedule
but also faces Colorado, Utah, and Washington State. My bad. Go
Sometimes blind squirrels do get nuts from time to time. That's how BYU got
these guys from much better BCS schools. Not bad for a for a school full of
choir boys and doily seamstresses.
Y'all like that stadium where Cedric Dale is doing his workout at the Nike
Training Camp? That's our $60M Allen High School Stadium in Allen, TX.
Seats 18K+. Kind-of a nice facility..... :-)
Pavalova"Sometimes blind squirrels do get nuts from time to
time."Like Utah being invited to be cannon fodder in a big boy
That's the point. BYU is not all about football. We, as fans, sometimes
forget that. Though I would love another Championship, I would rather not have
one than give up the morals that BYU stands for. I like this young man's
thinking and it will grow on others. I am going to watch BYU football no matter
what happens with their record. Time will make us better and that Chris B, you
can mark it down!
Two important keys in this article:1. Cedric Dale was influenced by
his fellow Mormon QB that "...everyone looked up to." The influence
every member makes in high school can greatly impact a decision of a highschool
grad.2. Cedric Dale plans to go back to Texas to promote BYU to
other Christians who do not know what they would be getting at BYU. We can
expect to see more of this when non-LDS players have a good experience at BYU.
That is why situations like Joe Sampson last year, who felt compelled to backup
Zac Stout in an off-campus fight that saw both of them kicked off the football
team, are so devastating. Stout is LDS, and he should have tried to be a better
influence and example of good standards.
Howard S."Not everyone chooses to play against the best possible
competition... USC and Oregon for example..."Howard, thanks for
at least having the common sense to not put Utah in that list of supposed
"best competiton". But it would have been great comic relif if you
had.We all know that there is not much parity between the top of the
12 PAC (pretty much USC and Oregon) and the middle (Stanford & UCLA) and the
bottom (utah, Colorado, WSU).Actually even the upper tier PAC teams
can be beaten. The PAC aint what it used to beI applaud the
recruting staff and BYU as a university for attracting athletes like this. Its
only going to get better. It scares the trolls silly, and its fun
Excuse me. WHO is "Chris B"?
Great pickups on both accounts for the Cougars.
Howard S - "Not everyone chooses to play against the best possible
competition... USC and Oregon for example...Some have other
priorities... nothing wrong with that."Yes some would rather
just play against the cupcakes of the NCAA like Notre Dame, Texas, Michigan,
Wisconsin, Boise State, Nebraska, and USC(2019,2021). Pansies!!
These boards have become a lame predictable battle between BYU fans and Chris B.
Unfortunate. (Now everyone can argue with Chris B. over that statement.) P.S. I admit I hate it when BYU fans make negative comments on Utah
"Unique" is a term often used as a euphemism for weird or strange...
The "uniqueness" of BYU is occasionally very challenging for
those who are fully immersed in the schools culture...For those not
immersed in the culture of the school it can be even more challenging...
The Cougar Nation appears fairly exercised by my comments about choosing not to
play against some of the best schools in the west.Let me say this...
a few scattered two for one games and one and done games against the upper
echelons of college football is not even close to the competitive equivalent of
playing back to back conference games against some of best teams in the west...
which also happen to among the best teams in the country...But... I
repeat... I've got absolutely problem with a young man who chooses to
pursue other priorities.
Dear Chris B, there are far to many other tings that are far more important in
life. We do not need those who feel drinking, drugs and sex are part of their
right. They may be talented athletes, but their character is lacking, in my
opinion, if that is what is important to them. BYU is unique and it
needs to stay that way. You are always looking through dark glasses with
astigmatism. Take off those glasses and get a glimpse of what counts in life.
@howieActually what those players "chose" was to not have to
play with influences that they felt were detrimental to their personal
advancement. My guess is it has very little, if anything, to do with who the
schools are playing against. I'm sure it has much more to do with what they
hope to accomplish and become and which place will best help them achieve those
things. Many young men simply don't want to have to play or practice on
Sunday. Many of them do not wish to be surrounded by other players, or
"fans", like yourself whose personal standards are so much lower than
their own. Young men like these have chosen something better,
something greater, something that will help them become great men, not just some
guy that partied and played in a particular conference. These guys could go to
any of 100 schools and get those things. No these guys want more.You
wouldn't understand though, you obviously didn't aspire to be great.
@DuckhunterFor the record Mr. Duckhunter playing at the highest
level of competition and living a life guided by tradition, spirit, and honor
are not mutually exclusive.And BYU is not the only place where a
young man or woman can commit himself or herself to values such as THS....
plently of fine young people compete and live honorable and exemplary lives at
schools all across the country. Honor and values are not exclusive
to BYU.As for your judgement of my personal standards... May I just
say that know nothing of my personal standards.But... I wonder if
part of the "uniqueness" of the of the fans and school that you choose
to support is embodied in your apparent assumption that those who choose to
attend or support a different school have personal values and standards that are
inferior to yours.
Last week BYU fans were saying they didn't need 3 or 4 star recruits. Now
all they'll talk about is how they just got one of each. I'm glad
they've changed their minds though. Now they can except the fact that KVN
was a 4 star recruit and is by far their best player.
The World According To Howie (Yet Again!): "But... I repeat... I've
got absolutely problem (sic) with a young man who chooses to pursue other
priorities." My Answer ( Yet Again!): "Good try, Howie.
We're playin' USC. And Stanford. And not just them, but Notre Dame.
And Texas. And Wisconsin, Nebraska, Georgia Tech, Michigan, Virginia, etc.
Join the Y, play the college football world in four different time zones, on
readily accessible national TV just about every week, not just on the West Coast
on sideband satellite channel 2187b. Young Mr. Kurtz wishes to take part. His
family wishes to see him every week! A wise young man and a happy family!
Welcome aboard, Mr. Kurtz!"Howie, other than that you were too
rattled to quote yourself correctly, your comment said nothing more the second
time than it did the first time. BTW, the 2014 recruiting composite (247
Sports, ESPN, Rivals, and Scout) now has us at 50 versus Utah at 62, and moving
steadily away. Any other cute comments for us this evening, sport ????:-)
@KolossWhat's with the Straw-man?Who said BYU
doesn't desire or need 3 and 4 star athletes?As of now....In 2013's class, BYU has 8 recruits at 3 stars or better, already
committed.In 2014, BYU has 6 3-star recruits, already committed and
it's still very early.In 2012, BYU recruited 12 with 3 stars or
better, including some 4 stars as well.In 2011, BYU recruited 10 with 3
stars of better.....Many of these players are just off missions.In 2010
over 20 3 stars or better.Remember..Weddle and Krueger...2
stars. (100 million in NFL contracts).Kapernick and Flacco (two starting
Super Bowl QB's)...3 stars.Steve Young, Jerry Rice ...no stars.Half the players in the last Super Bowl?....3 stars or less.Again, fans of losing programs (U) argue irrelevant minutia.Fans
of winning programs (Y) argue Tradition, Rankings, Awards, Wins and Losses.
@BlutoWins and losses?Irrelevant minutia?Where does losing 8 of the last 11 fit?funny...
It's about the coaching and playing, not about the recruiting.(But this is a Texss kid, I like the story.)
@BYU78Cute comments?Only facts... For
example... reflective of the lack of regard in which the big boys hold BYU
football, most of the games you cited are unbalanced schedules in favor of the
big boy...Let's consider...USC - two for one
beginning after current recruits are goneStanford - two for on beginning
after current recruits are goneND - four for two with no future games
scheduledMich - one and done on the roadNeb - one and done on the
roadOh... do my eyes my eyes deceive me... after months of the
Cougar Nation claiming recruiting rankings don't count... now Mr. BYU78
thinks they do count?And finally... a variation of an oldie but a
goodie... consider that even in the unlikely event that BYU beats Utah this year
they will still have a 67% losing record over the last 12 years.
howieDespite all of your negative spin, these facts remain:During the Independent/PAC era:Top 25 FinishesBYU 1Utah 0Bowl WinsBYU 2Utah 1Average Sagarin
RatingBYU 30Utah 50Overall RecordBYU 18-8Utah 13-12Since Utah's high water mark in 2008, the Utes have
been in steady decline.After losing the rivalry this season, U
won't even have the head-to-head to beat your gums about, and you've
already proven that you don't have anything to beat you gums about in the
@howie"USC - two for one beginning after current recruits are
goneStanford - two for on beginning after current recruits are goneND - four for two with no future games scheduledMich - one and done on
the roadNeb - one and done on the road"And in one ill
thought out post you've now exposed your entire "point" to be the
falsehood it is. It sounds to me that those games you listed above prove these
players have chosen the harder path against the harder competition. They have to
play the majority of them on the road, not one for ones.LOL!
@DuckhunterCongratulations... BYU has chosen the path of harder
competition... which makes sense given BYU's losing record in
Broncos's tenure against the big boys of college football.
@MUSSing with UYou must have inadvertently forgotten BYU's 0-2
record against Utah in independence...Oh... and also BYU's 4-6
record against the big boys of college football in the independence era...But hey... if you can't tout victories against the big boys at
least you've got your winning record against the MWC/WAC/BigSky... and your
third tier bowl triumphs...
Howard S.You have inadvertently admitted that Utah's only
significant accomplishment since joining the PAC is beating BYU.What
victories against the "big boys" can Utah tout?A 7-point win
against 11-loss Colorado? The Utes haven't beaten a single PAC team with a
winning record and your "big boy" bowl opponent, Georgia Tech (#56) was
ranked more than TWENTY places LOWER than BYU's mid-major bowl opponent,
Tulsa (#35).A team that wasn't even good enough to beat the
lone WAC team on their schedule in order to qualify for a bowl last year, should
just keep silent about "3rd-tier" bowls.U had a LOSING
record against the WAC last season.What "tier" is the couch
@RockwellIt's amusing that BYU has to rely on other teams to do
what it can't do for itself... Beat Utah...
@HowieYou lost us all.....at Hello!BYU is a National
Brand and one of College Football's Legacy Schools.A program
which has actually won College Football's most coveted hardware.National Championship, Heisman, Outland, Davey O'Brien, Doak Walker,
Sammy Baugh Trophies, etc...College Hall of Famers, Super Bowl and
NFL MVP's etc.You know the drill...Unlike Wannabee
Schools (U), it ain't braggin'...because BYU has done it.They (BYU) leave arguments of irrelevant minutia, to losing programs.i.e. Conference versions of the Washington Generals....in other words...U!BYU plays their games on the biggest name in sports...ESPN.They
also play for their Worldwide fanbase.Utah is a Commuter School and
a Conference Doormat (every conference must have them) which plays for it's
fans, which span from the avenues to 33rd south.Tom Lovat Part
Deux.... is upon U!Go WazzUtes!
HowieLet it go.BYU's Legacy and National Brand is set in
stone.Get used to it.
howieIt's amusing to watch Utah fans pretend that Utah is one
of the "big boys". The truth is, on a national scale, Utah isn't
even on the radar - seldom ranked in the Top 25, average Sagarin ranking of #50
since joining the PAC, and banished to the PAC net for most games.Utah is a commuter school with a local fan base. BYU is legacy program with a
national fan base.Not including BYUtv, BYU was the 8th most viewed
football team in the country last year. BYU is 18th in number of fans on
Twitter. Coincidence? Nope.
@BlutoBYU's last claim to glory was when the parents of a 2014
recruit was about 13 years old...Live in the past much?
@LonestarRunnerLegacy program?Seems odd that a legacy
program would be past over by every major conference in the country...Unless the legacy is that of a 2nd tier team against 2nd and 3rd tier
competition...Yeah that would explain why BYU has a consistent
losing record when they play the big boys...
howie BYU has no need to live in the past to surpass that
flash-in-the-pan program on the hill.Since 2006, BYU has been ranked
in the AP Top 25 FOUR times (2006, 2007, 2008, 2009), including THREE Top 15
finishes.That's almost as many AP Top 25 finishes (five) as the
Utes have had in their entire history.In the last 7 years, Bronco
has had back-to-back-to-back-to-back AP Top 25 finishes. The Utes have NEVER had
more than two AP Top 25 finishes in a row.The ONLY reason Utah fans
whine so much about BYU's glory days being is the past, is because the Utes
have no glory days except for 2004 and 2008.Even Utah's twin
flash-in-the-pan seasons produced precious little in terms of national
accomplishments - no National Championships, no Heisman Trophies, no National
Individual Award winners, and no Hall of Fame players. A couple of great,
undefeated seasons, a couple of nice bowl wins, and a quick fade back to
mediocrity after both seasons.
Howard S.Legacy program? Absolutely.As Athlon Magazine
called BYU, one of the Top 25 College Football Dynasties of the AP era - 1936 to
present.A program that been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977 (18
Top 25 Finishes in 36 years - 50%), with 17 AP Top 25 finishes, including a
consensus National Championship and a Heisman Trophy winner, the quintessential
team and individual major college football awards.BYU's
all-time winning percentage versus AP Top 25 teams: 21%Utah's
all-time winning percentage versus AP Top 25 teams: 16%That sorry
program on the hill has no room to talk when it comes to not being able to play
with the big boys; U can't even play with the little boys - two losses to
10-loss teams since 2007, and losses to every MWC bottom dweller during the
Bronco/Kyle era.Bronco is undefeated versus CSU, Wyoming, New Mexico
and UNLV. Kyle lost to all of them.
The World According To Howie: "Oh... do my eyes deceive me... recruiting
rankings don't count... now Mr. BYU78 thinks they do count?"Howie, my friend! Please show where I have ever suggested that recruiting
isn't important. I have been one of the biggest critics of the Y's
recruiting performance over the last two recruiting classes, and have waxed
sarcastic over the idea that "stars don't matter". Now, however,
the scheduling lag has disappeared, and the recruits are starting to flow in.
So, rightfully, I point out to you the fruits of this success, for which you --
predictably -- have no valid response. Now please cite where I have ever said
anything other than the fact that quality recruits, stacked high and deep, are
critical to the success of the program???? Thanks, Howie! Any other
generalities for us this afternoon? New material instead of old stuff will be
appreciated! Cheers, and Go Cougars!:-)
Nice pick ups! Congrats
@Marked it DownAthlons?You know very well Mr. Marked it
Down that the article you refer to identifies the BYU dynasty ending in
1985...Nice try though...Oh, and those national
rankings.... all based on success against 2nd and 3rd tier competition.Which makes sense because everyone knows that when BYU plays top tier
competition... they have losing record.
@BYU78A few observations Mr. BYU78....Scheduling lag has
disappeared?Setting the schedule is the easy part... perhaps you
should wait to see how your Cougs perform against a schedule that is a step
above 2nd/3rd tier before you claim recruiting success based on schedule...Recruits are flowing in?No... verbal commits are flowing
in... talk to me when the LOIs are signed...And finally... BYU has
had three poor recruiting classes in a row... that many weak recruiting classes
is devastating to a program... think of senior, junior, and sophomore class
devoid of talent... not a pretty picture.Three bad recruiting
classes takes years to recover from... now half way through the current cycle
you start claiming success... Good luck with that.Oh, and I never
said you said stars don't count... I said your Cougar Nation brothers have
been saying it for months... until now, of course.And as for new
material... I know the old material hurts... the truth usually does.
Howard SThe Athlon's article ranked ALL Dynasties from 1936 to
current, which included BYU's 1979-1985 Dynasty; TCU and Boise State were
mentioned, but unfortunately for U, the Utes have never had anything that could
even remotely be considered a dynastyUtah's entire history has
been built on 2nd, 3rd and completely off-the-scale competition; that's why
Utah has hardly ever been ranked, they've never been anybody.All-time records versus Top 25 teamsBYU AP 15 of 70 (21%); Coaches 16 of
82 (20%)Utah AP 14 of 86 (16%); Coaches 15 of 91 (16%)
@talkinsportsRight... BYU had a moment of glory that ended in
1985... that's 28 years ago... Yet Cougar Nation lives under the perpetual
delusion that it was yesterday.
"Athlons?You know very well Mr. Marked it Down that the article
you refer to identifies the BYU dynasty ending in 1985...Nice try
though..."Ok, how about ESPN's ranking in 2009 of the 25
most prestigious football programs? And that was even in Utah's glory
Howard S.BYU's "moment" of glory included a National
Championship, the very pinacle of major college football achievement, and has
been on-going since 1977, with 18 Top 25 finishes in last 36 years 50%,
including FOUR straight Top 25 finishes and THREE Top 15 finishes in the last 7
years (over 50%).By comparison, the Utes didn't even crack the
AP Top 25 until 1994, have only been ranked FIVE times in the final AP in their
entire history, and have NEVER had more than TWO AP Top 25 finishes in a row.The truth hurts, but here it is. Even at the pinacle of Utah's
football success, the Utes never won a single national team or individual award
- no National Championship, no Heisman Trophy, no national individual award
winners, and no national college football hall of fame players. A couple of nice
wins on a stage that will soon be nothing more than a footnote to college
@phoenixNot only did BYUs fading moment of glory end 28 years ago...
it was based on 2nd and 3rd tier competition.In fact... all of BYUs
success is based on 2nd and 3rd tier competition... because when BYU plays the
big boys they have a losing record...Now that is truth that has got
Howard S.The reason Utah hasn't been ranked more often is
because, except for 1964, for first hundred years of Utah's football
history, the Utes were 2nd and 3rd tier competition.From 1965 to
1991, the Utes never won a conference championship, never played in a bowl, and
were never ranked. In fact, the Utes didn't crack the AP Top 25 until 1994,
SEVENTEEN years after BYU finished in the Final AP poll for the first time. If
it hadn't been for the proliferation of bowls beginning in the 90's,
the Utes wouldn't have even qualified for more than a handful of bowls.As far as success versus the "big boys".BYU's
lifetime winning percentage versus ranked teams - 21%.Utah's lifetime
winning percentage versus ranked teams - 16%.Sorry to burst your
crimson bubble, but if think that anybody is impressed with your "big
boy" wins over losing teams like 11-loss Colorado, you're seriously
delusional.You talk about beating the big boys, yet you can't
even beat the little boys - see 10-loss Colorado and 10-loss UNLV, and every
bottom-dwelling team in the MWC and WAC.
"Howard S.Taylorsville, UT@RockwellIt's amusing that BYU has to rely on other teams to do what it can't
do for itself... Beat Utah..."Actually, what's
amusing is the fact that every other comment on an article about BYU is authored
by Howard or Chris.
The World According To Howie, Version 4: "Setting the schedule is the easy
part... perhaps you should wait to see how your Cougs perform against a schedule
that is a step above 2nd/3rd tier..."Howie, dear man, another
swing and another whiff! One last try at furthering your education in 200 words
or less! Your Utes have had a couple large successes in '04 and '08
in BCS games, against a weak Pitt and an unmotivated Alabama, but overall, and
especially against PAC-12 teams, the Cougars you malign have had more success
against the big boys. Please remember the following:2012: BYU 30
Washington State 6 (WSU not terribly good, but included given Utah's
struggles with Colorado) 2012: BYU 41 Georgia Tech 17 (Georgia Tech good
enough to stuff USC in the Sun Bowl) 2012: BYU 6 Utah State 3 (Utah State
> Utah) 2011: BYU 38 Oregon State 28 2010: BYU 23 Washington 17
2009: BYU 14 Oklahoma 13 2009: BYU 44 Oregon State 20 (bowl) 2008: BYU 28 Washington 27 2008: BYU 59 UCLA 0 (Normie's revenge
game -- remember?) 2007: BYU 20 Arizona 7 2007: BYU 17 UCLA 16
(bowl) 2006: BYU 38 Oregon 8 (bowl) This, of course, is just a
partial sample, but you get the point, Howie! Maybe we gotta start playing your
league schedule for you, my boy, so we can turn your record around. Let us know
From a Utah fan,First off, congratulations to these two athletes to making
it into a d1 football program, as well as a quality university. Recent events
should have taught us all what is more important than our differences, and that
is the kids.BYU's biggest recruiting advantage, the built in
recruiting pool, is a double edged sword as it is also its biggest disadvantage.
So when BYU is able to make its "weaknesses become strengths" that is a
good thing for them. With the current CFB landscape, while Utah will have
better recruiting classes OVERALL, the Y will get some very good players along
the way who may or may not be better than their Ute counterparts.
@BYU78Spin it all you want and use all your allotted 200 words...But... the hard truth is that against teams from power conferences BYU
has a losing record...You know this to be true... and no amount of
spinning can change that fact.As for Utah's schedule... I know
you'd like to play it... But the PAC12 past you over.Here's an idea... maybe you should beat Utah before you start offering to
play their schedule... does 3 - 8 sound familiar?
@phoenixA 21% winning record against ranked teams isn't a very
good showing for a program that claims a national legacy.But it does
prove my point that BYU is nothing more than a 2nd tier power against 2nd and
3rd tier competition...
Howard S."A 21% winning record against ranked teams isn't a
very good showing for a program that claims a national legacy."It's certainly MUCH BETTER than a 16% winning record against ranked teams
for a team that claims to be one of the "big boys".A for
playing against a PAC 12 schedule, the Utes haven't won a road game against
a PAC team with a winning record since 1997.It's hysterical how
much chest beating we see from a team that is WINLESS against winning PAC teams
since joining the conference. Not only can't U beat the teams in the upper
half of the conference, you can't even beat the teams at the bottom of the
conference - lost to 10-loss Colorado, barely beat 11-loss Colorado by 7.What makes U think you can compete in the PAC, when you weren't
even competitive in the WAC. A couple of flash-in-the-pan seasons haven't
changed anything. Denied a bowl berth because you couldn't beat the only
WAC team on your schedule.
I recall that Coach Edwards was once asked how he was able to get such high
levels of performance and achievement from what all agreed was not the most
stellar group of athletes. While that question was not answered definitively,
it did make me think, and wonder what LaVelle would have said if he had answered
formally.I cam up with a theoretical answer: the BYU athletes always
put out 100%, whenever they play. On the other hand, other teams can have
athletes who become arrogant due to their talent level, which is usually a
"gift", and not something they should claim credit for, who
"coast" most of the time unless the game is big enough to get them to
try harder.During regular season games, BYU is going 100% while
others, less than 100%. The Bowl games, though, bring out 100% in every team,
so BYU may not have as much success there.What do you guys have to
say about this subject, about my theory, and whatever you may think is a
different reason why BYU can do so well without bunches of "gifted",
"superior" athletes every year? I am sincerely interested...