@Koloss,Living the standards that are espoused at BYU will help
improve lives and personal happiness. Its an individual choice. The reason
that BYU is special is that most of the students have a similar philosophy, and
that tends to make keeping the honor code easier. It would be nice if what BYU
has going for it spreads and blossoms to other schools.
You guys are misunderstanding UgottaloveMaxie's comment. He said:"It would be a great place for a kid that grows up idolizing byu football
and who wants to be at byu with lots of other Mormons to hang out with. That
said, Utah offers all the same benefits."What he is saying is
that BYU is a great place for people to go who idolize BYU and want to be at
BYU, and apparently Utah is also a great place for people who idolize BYU and
want to be at BYU.Where did Coach Whittingham choose to go to
Y Grad,I agree with you that the time to live by those standards is before
you attend the Y (KVN) but does it make somebody less holy if they go to another
school and still live by those standards?. Obviously drinking alcohol isn't
allowed in LDS doctrine so do I need to attend BYU so i won't drink? Do I
need to take classes on religion to be a religious person? @Rockwell,So what you're saying is it is forced upon them. It's a choice to go
to a military academy but that doesn't mean you're not going to be
forced to do something as a plebe you'd rather not do so you're
probably gonna need a better analogy.
KolossReligion is no more "forced" on students who choose to
attend BYU, than military training is "forced" on cadets who choose to
attend a military academy. It's simply part of the curriculum.
KolossHampton, VA"So what you Cougar fans are saying is at
BYU religion is forced upon me but at Utah I can choose whether or not I want to
be religious."This IS what you said. A classical mis-use of the
truth, by the way. The time for a BYU student to choose to live the honor code
or not, to embrace religion or not, is BEFORE they commit to living by these
standards as a prerequisite to being accepted at the university. Anybody who
claims to have had religion forced upon him (or her) is being dishonest,
starting with him(her)self.At any other campus, and Utah certainly
qualifies as any other campus, a student has standards which, if violated, will
result in dismissal. The standards may not be as numerous, or restrictive, but
they do exist. At Utah, and nearly every other campus, religion is not one of
@Mountanman,I wasn't saying people are forced to go to BYU. Just
because you go to a public school doesn't mean you have to give up your
@ Koloss. No one is forced to go to BYU. Some choose to go there because they
want religious influences. When I attended BYU, I considered myself very
fortunate because I knew there was a long list of excellent students who would
love to be in my place.
So what you Cougar fans are saying is at BYU religion is forced upon me but at
Utah I can choose whether or not I want to be religious.
SoonerUte - See Kurtz's commit today.
BYU would have had this recruit if they had stayed in the Mountain West.
Wasn't there supposed to be a bump in recruiting from going independent?
UgottaloveMaxieSalt Lake City, UTYou are correct. byu does
have some great young men. It would be a great place for a kid that grows up
idolizing byu football and who wants to be at byu with lots of other Mormons to
hang out with. That said, Utah offers all the same benefits.-------No we don't! We're a secular school not a
religious school. For example, if they have a problem playing on
Sundays then BYU is the only place for them. The TSH (Tradition, Spirit, Honor)
program down south is the only place that will give them strict LDS lifestyle.
WR Nick Kurtz just committed to BYU!
Having attended both universities and with a father, father-in-law, and numerous
aunts, uncles and cousins being Utah graduates, I can honestly say there's
a HUGE difference between BYU and Utah in standards and behavior. Sure you can
find great kids with high standards at Utah, not necessarily LDS, and BYU
students who obviously never had any intention of living the standards at BYU,
but the atmosphere and culture at each school are vastly different. I had many
Utah professors who were openly antagonistic towards the LDS church and its
doctrines. Any Utah fan trying to equate the two universities is simply blowing
Welcome to BYU! You'll love BYU and the atmosphere. Will it be different?
YES! But different good, not worse. It is so very funny to hear ute
fans say Utah is the same as BYU. This is the same group who foam at the mouth
pointing out differences when recruits are trying to decide. The comical irony
couldn't be better.
Nick Kurtz just tweeted out that he committed to BYU. Nice!
I'm really liking this recruiting class a lot better then last years. BYU
is getting some really talented kids and beating out some big time programs to
get them. Last year it seamed like BYU was just competing against themselves for
a lot of the commits they got. Great article.
Well, the Cougars actually seem to be putting together a pretty respectable
class this year between Cook, Warner (if he doesn't bail for SC or UW),
Takitaki and Fonua, with a couple other guys with pretty decent speed as well.
Turning a new leaf, or will this be a blue moon of a class for them?
Now they just need to offer Alex Suchesk at running back and then we'll
have another deep backfield for the years to come.Go Cougars!
" ........ That said, Utah offers all the same benefits...... "Then why didn't he choose utah??From the video - he looks
like a young version of both Van Noy and Ziggy Ansah with his size and speed. I
definitely get the sense that the BYU defense is going to be solid for years to
come. Keep up the good work Bronco!
@UgottalovemaxieBYU is far different from Utah for potential LDS
students. First, BYU encourages religion in the classroom, in fact, BYU
students are required to take 14 credits of religious based classes. At Utah,
you can't mix religion with education. Most professors at BYU start class
every day with a prayer, at Utah, prayer is not welcome in the classroom. BYU is very different from Utah and a very different environment. BYU
is and always will be the crown jewel of all universities for LDS students &
athletes, similar to how Notre Dame is the crown jewel for Catholic students
& athletes. Utah will never be able to change that, regardless of how many
Pac12 stickers you put on your car.
Welcome Cedric to Cougarnation! Thrilled to have another solid 3-star recruit
(Rivals, Scout, ESPN) on board. Scout ranks him #62 in his position, and Rivals
notes his 4.4 forty time. Thrilled to have stolen him away from Texas Tech.
2014 is shaping up to a really solid class. Go Cougs!
Cedric Dale, another solid 3 star commit. Great to have these guys coming to
BYU, looking forward to watching u both!
UgottaloveMaxie: It would be a great place for a kid that grows up idolizing byu
football and who wants to be at byu with lots of other Mormons to hang out with.
That said, Utah offers all the same benefits.***************Yeah, well the reality is that the BYU package is, and always has been,
appealing to the non-LDS athlete who likes the standards and can live by them.
Not just the Mormons who grew up idolizing the Cougars. Utah is the
"lite" version of BYU in the cultural aspect. They'd be settling by
going there.WTG Tyler and Cedric. You'll love your time at BYU.
You are correct. byu does have some great young men. It would be a great place
for a kid that grows up idolizing byu football and who wants to be at byu with
lots of other Mormons to hang out with. That said, Utah offers all the same
The uniqueness and standards of Brigham Young University will always have appeal
to high quality individuals. These two sound like the sort of kids that would
take your grandmother across the street holding her umbrella for her on a rainy
day. It is a great day in Cougar Nation.