...I'm not religious but...doesn't the bible say that when you want to
pray, you go into your room, and close the door?If you are going
thump the bible, maybe you should give it a read first?
The absence of belief is not a belief.Saying such things is
equivalent to saying that matter and the absence of matter (not to be confused
with anti-matter) are both matter.Such arguments lack any
@There you go again.I do sympathize with those complaining of
moderators, at least, those who seem to have their own agendas.I
could not get a post displayed recently, apparently because it suggested that,
when you are having a competition indexing family names, this might result in
hasty, inaccurate indexing and everyone using the index would suffer for years
on end. I even had the gall to suggest that the teens being asked
to do this indexing should be instructed, and initially checked carefully as not
all teens are good at alphnumeric filing, and that it would be better to take
one's time and to see the job is done properly than to create an atmosphere
of rivalry and haste.I had more to say but why bother? No
reasonable person minds moderation that is fair and according to stated rules
but private agendas restrict the potential benefits of a public forum in the
presentation and consideration of important issues.
@ sid 6.7: What is really interesting, if you have ever been to one of these
public meetings where prayer is said (including opening day of the Utah
Legislature), the ones not paying attention and walking out of the room, are the
ones who claim the most to believe it and insist it needs to be there.
@A ScientistAtheism is NOT the absence of belief.It is
just the belief in something else other than God.But that is
irrelevant,Because regardless of belief you have a right to the
public square,IF is government of the people not of the federal
government, not of atheists or secularists, or of the irreligious.Religious people have a right to the public square, and as Jefferson wanted,
the government should and must butt out.
It's lovely that prayer is so important to them..However, is it
possible they could work on some other important and relevant legislation once
in a while?
I can't wait to see Lost in DC's reaction when satanic cults in West
Jordan want their turn to pray.Be honest: what you call praying in
public meetings and schools is actually "preying" on captive audiences.
Lost in DC wrote: "by denying prayer at the public meetings, courts have
ESTASBLISHED atheism as the official state church."Let's
see, BYU begins home sporting events with a public prayer, and the U.
doesn't. So Lost in DC believes that atheism is the official religion at
the U.?Have courts outlawed prayers while ruling that atheists may
stand up at the start of public meetings and do a chant or something? Of course
not. No elected officials would permit such a thing. Courts clearly have not
established atheism as the official state church.
Ted,by denying prayer at the public meetings, courts have ESTASBLISHED
atheism as the official state church. I guess you missed the "or deny the
expression thereof" clause of the 1st amendment.Jefferson wrote
the first freedom of religion statutes in this hemishere to ensure no religion
was DENIED access to the public square, not to keep ALL religion out of the
public square.there you go,sure, in Westboro
My first comment was denied by the DN moderator.According to the
logic of lee and hatch, Westboro Baptist Church should be allowed to pray at
Senator Hatch and his comrades are wrong on this issue.The case
ruling upholds an important principle of freedom. Denying a citizen-lead prayer
before town hall meetings denies no one their right to believe as they wish, nor
to pray privately before the town hall meetings. However, sanctioned prayer
before a government meeting infringes on the freedom non-religious people like
me see, and religious minorities who are not represented by the town's
Christian majority. At the very least, non-religious people like me see it as a
waste of government time (and, therefore money). More important, it conveys that
there is a separation between majority and non-majority community members that
the government serves. Are non-religious people like me or religious minorities
not first class constituents? There is no place for that in government.Keeping government a non-religious function ensures that all of our freedoms
and equality under the law. The case ruling upholds freedom rather than limiting
Prayer is where people ask for wisdom and express thankfulness of blessings
either of which helps bring wisdom and blessings. Given mismanagement and sub
optimal management at all levels of government, we ought to encourage, not
discourage prayer in government.
I'm fine with both Senators signing the letter, But what I would really
like them to do something about the rash of robo calls. You know the ones that
start like "Hello I am Healther from Credit Card Services. We would like to
lower rate you pay on your credit card balance."I am on the Do
Not Call list and I get so tired of all the sales calls that I receive.If they are not to busy I would like them to put some teeth and consequences
in to the Do Not Call list and financially impact those who choose to ignore
it.I guess they are to busy on other weighter matters.
@sid 6.7It's called freedom of expression, and freedom of
religion.Religion does have a public component. And has every right
to be in the public square.It is government by and of the people,
not the federal government or the only the irreligious.
Why has this issue with Prayer become such a hot item recently? Why
do we have to pray any where other than Church or in your home?If
people do pray before a meeting or such if you don't believe in it why do
you care? Would it be so bad to walk out of the room or not pay attention while
the prayer is being conducted? Or how about saying your own Prayer?I
think it's completely un-necessary to pray before a public meeting or in
school but if other people do and that makes them feel better then why would
that offend me? If you don't believe in a higher power then you don't
believe in Prayer any way. What difference does it make? This is so
stupid, really it's going to the Supreme Court?Their are people
dying in American streets folks! We really should stop being so petty and show
a little bit of respect on both sides of the coin.Geesh!