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Published: Tuesday, Aug. 6 2013 3:59 p.m. MDT

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samhill
Salt Lake City, UT

"Among his causes is a pathway to citizenship for the nation's roughly 11 million immigrants here illegally."

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Every time I read about someone spouting this "pathway to citizenship" blather I'm annoyed by the absence of anything to remind people that there is and has always been such a pathway. In fact, it is only the fact that so many choose to ignore the pathway that already exists that creates the need to include the term "illegal" when referring to the type of immigration that is the crux of our problem.

As a friend of someone who tried for many years and spent many thousands of dollars trying to follow the legal "pathway", only to be ultimately frustrated by the ineptitude and ridiculously ineffective/inefficient agency in charge of enforcing the often very stupid laws governing immigration, I am fully aware of their many, MANY shortcomings. And, am very much in favor of comprehensive reform and improvement, something that has been sorely needed for decades.

But, in the meantime, let's be honest about the reality of a current method (however dumb it is) to immigrate here....LEGALLY.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

we don't let bank robbers keep the money they steal

We don't let child predators keep the children they take

We shouldn't let illegal immigrants stay in the country and reward them for their illegal behavior.

Rewarding illegal behavior is the worst thing we could do.

What does this teach the children of the illegal immigrants?

Doing illegal things is ok

DVD
Taylorsville, 00

I'm for a more reasonable legal pathway to citizenship. The revolutionaries in 1776 did a few 'illegal' things when legality was used to make life a misery.

At the same time, we need to consider what's being done with those that immigrate here under conditions such as H1B Visas. Those folks are often slaves. We need to make sure that their desire for a better life isn't twisted by those who both enslave them and ignore U.S. citizens in the quest for the fast buck. If immigrants are given H1B status sponsored by a corporation, the real pay needs to be looked at.

It'd also help to look at the practices of these same corporate types that empower slavery in places like Dhaka, Bangladesh in the quest for the fast buck at the cost of human life.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Whether the issue is making beds or writing code it is still about cheap labor.
How can the likes of Mr. Zuckerberg even pretend to take the high moral ground when so many of our own are unemployed?
As for citizenship, take a look at the naturalization rates. It is believed that only 40% of those who benefited from the 1986 amnesty ever bothered to become citizens. The naturalization rate of eligible Mexicans living in the United States is under 25%. They are putting the word "citizen" on their posters as a media ploy. History does not bear out their protest slogan.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Zuckerberg jumped on the "immigration reform" bandwagon in order to obtain more H1B (high tech) visas for his company. WHY would he want to pay an American the 60 or 70k (deserved)for their high-tech skills when he can get the government to allow hundreds of thousands of high-skilled immigrants from India to work for one-third that amount?

There's absolutely no shortage of "high-tech" workers. There's ONLY a shortage of entrepreneurs (like Zuckerberg)who will pay them a decent wage for their years of education.

Guys like Zuckerberg have discovered its much easier and cheaper to "contribute" to a political campaign than to actually pay the prevailing wage.

SLars
Provo, UT

Zuckerberg is a public relations face for America's tech giants. They have their money, why should anyone else? They stifle creativity.

America has the "o" visa for high IQ, it's unlimited. The H-1B visa is for your average day to day worker. Many are used for school teachers, nurses, accountants, legal clerks, miners. etc.

We can't afford 32 million low paying workers, and 6 million work visas each year with Obama care and the 29 work hour coming. The Senate bill is toxic to America's citizens and to our country. Zuckerberg can afford to pay an American out of work. Did I mention greed is destroying us?

USMCer
POST FALLS, ID

Zuckerberg is still just a squirt kid, When he gets a gray hair or two maybe I'll listen to what he has to say. Otherwise, I'm not interested.

Mark from Montana
Aurora, CO

I don't buy it. Zuker is after nothing but lower wages for his software engineers.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

Chris B,

Why don't we let the employers who hire the people in the country keep the extra money they make paying substandard wages? Oh wait a minute we do, never mind.

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

I think a program to allow green cards to illegals might work. They would have all the privileges of a citizen except ability to vote.

m.g. scott
clearfield, UT

Immigration reform. How many times do we here that term? Everyone agrees that it is needed. What the problem is is what form it takes. Reform by closing the borders first seems the only way to get any further reform done. If we don't do that, then this problem will be back again in 10 years. My cynical side believes that Democrats want to use the immigrants as voting tools in the future. My cynical side believes that business owners want cheap, no benefits, labor. My cynical side believes this problem will never be solved as long as Democrats and cheap labor advocates run the show.

SLars
Provo, UT

It doesn't matter what kind of bill is passed, when we have a President that doesn't enforce the laws. We don't need reform, we need to enforce our laws. We have no idea if they work. Any reform or enforcement will have to wait until Obama is out of office.

Anything that allows them to stay and work is amnesty, and it will only make the problem worse with more people coming here illegally. It won't be just people coming over the southern border, people from India and China have learned there is no enforcement, and welfare available.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

seeing what a failure dudd-frank is and what a failure obamacare is, I have no confidence in any immigration reform bill the dems would cobble together. find a way to make them legal, so we can tax them all, but never citizens. They have shown disdain for our laws; they do not deserve citizenship.

lket
Bluffdale, UT

the victims are the low paid and it is also why jobs go over seas. super capitalism is in control of america just like Eisenhower warned us.

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

(Part 1 of 4)

Immigration 'reform':

- Put up a fence ALL along the southern AND northern borders
- Put armed guards every 200 yards along the fences
- Put written and spoken warnings along the entire fence line
- Shoot to miss (first) those who attempt to enter illegally

(Now bear with me while I explain what happens next while America is being invaded, yes, invaded, by illegal aliens....20-30 MILLION are here already. A slow invasion is an invasion, nonetheless....)

- We shoot to wound those who continue to try to get over the fence
- We shoot to kill those who get off the fence and set foot ILLEGALLY on America soil

Harsh?

That depends on who you're trying to protect.

If you're trying to (shock!) protect the American citizens who WON'T be kidnapped, raped, robbed or terrorized by illegal aliens who become criminals once here in America, I don't think it's "harsh" at all.

This WILL allow us to REALLY secure the border and allow us to then solve the problem of what to do next with those illegal aliens who are here already.

See my next post...

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

(Part 2 of 4)

- Empty our prisons COMPLETELY of illegal aliens. Take them to the border and march them across the border at gunpoint. They are (X) country's problem. Let THEM handle them.

- Give all other illegal aliens here in America already 100 days to tell us they are here...get their names, their address, their phone numbers, etc. Anyone who doesn't come forward in that 100 days, if they're found later, get deported IMMEDIATELY.....NO exceptions.

- Seize (yes, "seize") any money they possess that is required to pay any federal / state back taxes they might owe. They're not citizens? Tough. They benefited as if they were so they can pay taxes like the rest of us.

- Fine illegal aliens over 18 years old $100 for every month they were here in America illegally. I got a speeding ticket 2 years ago. It cost me over $200. $100 a month for committing a felony is not out of line. It's monthly since day after day after day they made a conscious decision to continue to break our law. If they can't pay it, garnish their wages at a minimum of $100 a month.

See my next post...

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

(Part 3 of 4)

- Illegal aliens will sign a contract stating they will learn to speak, read and write English up to at least an 8th grade level of proficiency. This will be tested within 2 years if you are below the age of 40, 2 1/2 years if 40-50 and 3 years if over 50. Tutors will be provided for free. Pass the test and you stay in America. Fail it and you get deported immediately. No exceptions.

- After passing the English language proficiency test, they get put at the BACK of the line to take the usual American citizen ship tests on our history, government organization, etc. Pass it, you stay. Fail it, you're gone.

- ALL businesses will be allowed to ONLY sell, advertise, conduct business, etc using ENGLISH only. They have 6 months to sell existing products that have printed foreign languages on them. After that, get them off the shelves and repackage them.

- Get caught committing a felony? You're deported immediately.

- Children of illegal aliens who were born here have their citizenship revoked. Yes, revoked. The 14th Amendment was never meant for 'anchor babies'. No, it was not.

See my next post...

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

(Part 4 of 4)

Now here's the beautiful part....

- Once an illegal alien has paid ALL required back-taxes and fines, learned our language, and passed the citizenship test, they can gain citizenship and are now Americans.

HOWEVER.....they will never be allowed to vote.

No, n-e-v-e-r.

This will appease liberals who claim they only want to keep families together (won't it, my liberal friends?) while at the same time appeasing conservatives who justifiably fear the liberal Democrat party staying in power by essentially 'buying votes' by promising to endlessly provide 'free' social services to illegal aliens.

- Existing minor children (under 18 yrs old) of these non-voting voting new Americans can earn VOTING citizenship privileges once they pass their own citizenship test.

- Children of these non-voting new Americans born AFTER their parents become citizens are born as full-fledged American citizens and can therefore vote upon turning 18...no citizenship test is required for these individuals since they are BORN Americans.

This plan is compassionate to existing America citizens.

This plan is compassionate to non-criminal illegal aliens here now.

This plan is fair and exercises common sense.

Tell your Congressmen.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

@A Guy- You should seriously pass on those wonderful Ideas to Mike Lee right away, please.

A Wall? First it's been done in China and Berlin and it's easy to check history and see how well that worked, even in, those were democratic countries right?

Why your at it, maybe you could come up with a clever name for those second class citizens you'll create in America.
The english only was priceless, how could you leave out that they must be Judeo/Christian too.

This could stop our fighting on the other side of the world, because we'll be spending more on fence and fence repair and guarding our borders (every 200 yrds) then we could dream of spending abroad don't forget the coast guard will need to be increased to protect those beaches. Haliburton should get the no bid contracts of course so as to keep the conservatives from noticing government cronyism.

The suggestions that he want's to pay low wages is laughable. Facebook and Silicon Valley don't use the walmart or subsidized farmer business model.

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