"Among his causes is a pathway to citizenship for the nation's roughly
11 million immigrants here illegally."---------------Every time I read about someone spouting this "pathway to citizenship"
blather I'm annoyed by the absence of anything to remind people that there
is and has always been such a pathway. In fact, it is only the fact that so
many choose to ignore the pathway that already exists that creates the need to
include the term "illegal" when referring to the type of immigration
that is the crux of our problem.As a friend of someone who tried for
many years and spent many thousands of dollars trying to follow the legal
"pathway", only to be ultimately frustrated by the ineptitude and
ridiculously ineffective/inefficient agency in charge of enforcing the often
very stupid laws governing immigration, I am fully aware of their many, MANY
shortcomings. And, am very much in favor of comprehensive reform and
improvement, something that has been sorely needed for decades.But,
in the meantime, let's be honest about the reality of a current method
(however dumb it is) to immigrate here....LEGALLY.
we don't let bank robbers keep the money they stealWe
don't let child predators keep the children they takeWe
shouldn't let illegal immigrants stay in the country and reward them for
their illegal behavior.Rewarding illegal behavior is the worst thing
we could do.What does this teach the children of the illegal
immigrants?Doing illegal things is ok
I'm for a more reasonable legal pathway to citizenship. The
revolutionaries in 1776 did a few 'illegal' things when legality was
used to make life a misery.At the same time, we need to consider
what's being done with those that immigrate here under conditions such as
H1B Visas. Those folks are often slaves. We need to make sure that their
desire for a better life isn't twisted by those who both enslave them and
ignore U.S. citizens in the quest for the fast buck. If immigrants are given
H1B status sponsored by a corporation, the real pay needs to be looked at.It'd also help to look at the practices of these same corporate
types that empower slavery in places like Dhaka, Bangladesh in the quest for the
fast buck at the cost of human life.
Whether the issue is making beds or writing code it is still about cheap
labor.How can the likes of Mr. Zuckerberg even pretend to take the high
moral ground when so many of our own are unemployed?As for citizenship,
take a look at the naturalization rates. It is believed that only 40% of those
who benefited from the 1986 amnesty ever bothered to become citizens. The
naturalization rate of eligible Mexicans living in the United States is under
25%. They are putting the word "citizen" on their posters as a media
ploy. History does not bear out their protest slogan.
Zuckerberg jumped on the "immigration reform" bandwagon in order to
obtain more H1B (high tech) visas for his company. WHY would he want to pay an
American the 60 or 70k (deserved)for their high-tech skills when he can get the
government to allow hundreds of thousands of high-skilled immigrants from India
to work for one-third that amount?There's absolutely no
shortage of "high-tech" workers. There's ONLY a shortage of
entrepreneurs (like Zuckerberg)who will pay them a decent wage for their years
of education.Guys like Zuckerberg have discovered its much easier
and cheaper to "contribute" to a political campaign than to actually pay
the prevailing wage.
Zuckerberg is a public relations face for America's tech giants. They have
their money, why should anyone else? They stifle creativity. America
has the "o" visa for high IQ, it's unlimited. The H-1B visa is for
your average day to day worker. Many are used for school teachers, nurses,
accountants, legal clerks, miners. etc. We can't afford 32
million low paying workers, and 6 million work visas each year with Obama care
and the 29 work hour coming. The Senate bill is toxic to America's citizens
and to our country. Zuckerberg can afford to pay an American out of work. Did I
mention greed is destroying us?
Zuckerberg is still just a squirt kid, When he gets a gray hair or two maybe
I'll listen to what he has to say. Otherwise, I'm not interested.
I don't buy it. Zuker is after nothing but lower wages for his software
Chris B,Why don't we let the employers who hire the people in
the country keep the extra money they make paying substandard wages? Oh wait a
minute we do, never mind.
I think a program to allow green cards to illegals might work. They would have
all the privileges of a citizen except ability to vote.
Immigration reform. How many times do we here that term? Everyone agrees that
it is needed. What the problem is is what form it takes. Reform by closing the
borders first seems the only way to get any further reform done. If we
don't do that, then this problem will be back again in 10 years. My
cynical side believes that Democrats want to use the immigrants as voting tools
in the future. My cynical side believes that business owners want cheap, no
benefits, labor. My cynical side believes this problem will never be solved as
long as Democrats and cheap labor advocates run the show.
It doesn't matter what kind of bill is passed, when we have a President
that doesn't enforce the laws. We don't need reform, we need to
enforce our laws. We have no idea if they work. Any reform or enforcement will
have to wait until Obama is out of office. Anything that allows them
to stay and work is amnesty, and it will only make the problem worse with more
people coming here illegally. It won't be just people coming over the
southern border, people from India and China have learned there is no
enforcement, and welfare available.
seeing what a failure dudd-frank is and what a failure obamacare is, I have no
confidence in any immigration reform bill the dems would cobble together. find
a way to make them legal, so we can tax them all, but never citizens. They have
shown disdain for our laws; they do not deserve citizenship.
the victims are the low paid and it is also why jobs go over seas. super
capitalism is in control of america just like Eisenhower warned us.
(Part 1 of 4)Immigration 'reform':- Put up a
fence ALL along the southern AND northern borders- Put armed guards every
200 yards along the fences- Put written and spoken warnings along the
entire fence line- Shoot to miss (first) those who attempt to enter
illegally(Now bear with me while I explain what happens next while
America is being invaded, yes, invaded, by illegal aliens....20-30 MILLION are
here already. A slow invasion is an invasion, nonetheless....)- We
shoot to wound those who continue to try to get over the fence- We shoot
to kill those who get off the fence and set foot ILLEGALLY on America soilHarsh?That depends on who you're trying to protect.If you're trying to (shock!) protect the American citizens who
WON'T be kidnapped, raped, robbed or terrorized by illegal aliens who
become criminals once here in America, I don't think it's
"harsh" at all.This WILL allow us to REALLY secure the
border and allow us to then solve the problem of what to do next with those
illegal aliens who are here already.See my next post...
(Part 2 of 4)- Empty our prisons COMPLETELY of illegal aliens. Take
them to the border and march them across the border at gunpoint. They are (X)
country's problem. Let THEM handle them.- Give all other
illegal aliens here in America already 100 days to tell us they are here...get
their names, their address, their phone numbers, etc. Anyone who doesn't
come forward in that 100 days, if they're found later, get deported
IMMEDIATELY.....NO exceptions.- Seize (yes, "seize") any
money they possess that is required to pay any federal / state back taxes they
might owe. They're not citizens? Tough. They benefited as if they were
so they can pay taxes like the rest of us. - Fine illegal aliens
over 18 years old $100 for every month they were here in America illegally. I
got a speeding ticket 2 years ago. It cost me over $200. $100 a month for
committing a felony is not out of line. It's monthly since day after day
after day they made a conscious decision to continue to break our law. If they
can't pay it, garnish their wages at a minimum of $100 a month.See my next post...
(Part 3 of 4)- Illegal aliens will sign a contract stating they will
learn to speak, read and write English up to at least an 8th grade level of
proficiency. This will be tested within 2 years if you are below the age of 40,
2 1/2 years if 40-50 and 3 years if over 50. Tutors will be provided for free.
Pass the test and you stay in America. Fail it and you get deported
immediately. No exceptions.- After passing the English language
proficiency test, they get put at the BACK of the line to take the usual
American citizen ship tests on our history, government organization, etc. Pass
it, you stay. Fail it, you're gone.- ALL businesses will be
allowed to ONLY sell, advertise, conduct business, etc using ENGLISH only. They
have 6 months to sell existing products that have printed foreign languages on
them. After that, get them off the shelves and repackage them.- Get
caught committing a felony? You're deported immediately.-
Children of illegal aliens who were born here have their citizenship revoked.
Yes, revoked. The 14th Amendment was never meant for 'anchor babies'.
No, it was not.See my next post...
(Part 4 of 4)Now here's the beautiful part....-
Once an illegal alien has paid ALL required back-taxes and fines, learned our
language, and passed the citizenship test, they can gain citizenship and are now
Americans.HOWEVER.....they will never be allowed to vote.No, n-e-v-e-r.This will appease liberals who claim they only want
to keep families together (won't it, my liberal friends?) while at the same
time appeasing conservatives who justifiably fear the liberal Democrat party
staying in power by essentially 'buying votes' by promising to
endlessly provide 'free' social services to illegal aliens.- Existing minor children (under 18 yrs old) of these non-voting voting new
Americans can earn VOTING citizenship privileges once they pass their own
citizenship test.- Children of these non-voting new Americans born
AFTER their parents become citizens are born as full-fledged American citizens
and can therefore vote upon turning 18...no citizenship test is required for
these individuals since they are BORN Americans.This plan is
compassionate to existing America citizens.This plan is
compassionate to non-criminal illegal aliens here now.This plan is
fair and exercises common sense.Tell your Congressmen.
@A Guy- You should seriously pass on those wonderful Ideas to Mike Lee right
away, please.A Wall? First it's been done in China and Berlin
and it's easy to check history and see how well that worked, even in, those
were democratic countries right?Why your at it, maybe you could come
up with a clever name for those second class citizens you'll create in
America.The english only was priceless, how could you leave out that they
must be Judeo/Christian too.This could stop our fighting on the
other side of the world, because we'll be spending more on fence and fence
repair and guarding our borders (every 200 yrds) then we could dream of spending
abroad don't forget the coast guard will need to be increased to protect
those beaches. Haliburton should get the no bid contracts of course so as to
keep the conservatives from noticing government cronyism.The
suggestions that he want's to pay low wages is laughable. Facebook and
Silicon Valley don't use the walmart or subsidized farmer business model.