Ruling for Cache County family may influence Utah police pursuits
Sounds like this young man chose to end his life, which he seemed to indicated
to his motherhe would do if the police were called. The mother asked for
the police to help because she was afraid of what he would do. This
shouldn't be blamed on the officer.When we would put our children to
bed each night, we asked each to tell us about their 'happy time'.Before long their Dad, who usually did this, got more than just a 'happy
time'. It was during these few minutes that we became informed about
'teasing moments' at school, at church, etc.These were the times
that their Dad was able to address how they should deal with these
situations...restate to them their value and our love for them....We also
provide KarateLessons, which when discovered, stopped the harassment of
our youngest son.Communicating with your children from a very early age is
so very important.
In no case is it a smart or valid thing to do as a citizen driver to ignore the
lights of a police vehicle. Pull over. Period. That being said, I moved up
here from California and one thing they use down there to chase fleeing suspects
is helocoptors. If the chase, which seems to happen often there, gets too
dangerous, the police cars back off and let the copters track the fleeing
vehicle. I know they are expensive, but for many law enforcement purposes, they
come in very handy. In a case like this, it might have helped.
Normally _ i would be the liberal in any case, but this judgment strikes me as
wrong. The Deputy did the correct thing and I am sorry if the son was being
teased at school, but if you expect law enforcement to enforce laws - you need
to some leeway to get the job done and this decision did not do that!
So many thoughts on this. The family should be thankful their son did not hit
anyone else while traveling recklessly, or they would be the ones facing a
multi-million liability lawsuit. They asked for the police help. They asked
for him to be pulled over. They find their son and then they want the police to
stop the chase? Although I believe there are times when cops are overly
aggressive in their police pursuits, I don't believe this is one of those
times. The only winners here are the lawyers. Sorry for your loss, but you
sully the name and image of your son and family with this foolishness.
Running a police station just got a lot more expensive. Consider how expensive
defending against a malpractice lawsuit is for doctors. They buy insurance for
it now, one of the reasons health care costs so much. Insurance agencies will
probably start selling malpractice insurance to cops because every time they
injure someone physically or emotionally or psychologically in the line of duty,
they will be sued for endangering the suspects safety.I think there
is a movie about this, the incredibles.
High-speed chases are way overrated. My nephew was killed when a cop blew
through a stop sign chasing a guy on a motorcycle. It took years, attorney$ and
a ruined marriage to get the county to accept responsibility.
And I'm stunted that law enforcement thinks fleeing is such a high crime
when a person is pulled over for a traffic viloation. Most of the time people
don't or shouldn't feel like they have to flee but public fear of
government enforcement misinformation are real high risk civil fears. Police are using traffic violations as wrongful cause to pursue more dangerous
crimes that may or may not exist and fear triggers the fight of flight response
of normal human instincts. Consequentially this triggers the predatory training
of army attack mode not to let their prey get away without concern of the herd
panicking in the chase.With as much information law enforcment has
at their disposal, outstanding warrants are a lack of department and government
priority limiting pursuit of traffic violations. Law enforcement has no right to
escalate and endanger lives for lesser crimes. Then it is our right to challenge
and flee oppressive government, read our Constitution and bill of rights.
Re: "'"This is an absolutely positive change,' McConkie
said."Only for cynical ambulance chasers' pecuniary bottom
line.It will NOT save lives, it will COST lives, as law enforcement
officers are further handcuffed, second-guessed, humiliated, and abused over
their efforts to protect us. Those that complain about a declining quality of
law-enforcement officers now know precisely where to place the blame.This short-sighted and wholly unwarranted departure from centuries of sound
legal tradition, that grants qualified immunity to law enforcement officers,
vis-à-vis the miscreants we insist they protect us from, is just another
manifestation of how the legal profession is daily making itself more and more
irrelevant in the lives of real people.The plaintiff's attorney
and supreme court justices are among that infamous 99% of lawyers that make the
rest of us look bad.
Why was Wayne being teased by his classmates? Do they bear some responsibility
here? Is there more to this story than just an over zealous cop?
I'm stunned. The deputy did his job and is now being blamed for the death
of a young man who chose to flee? The deputy turned on his light to signal the
young man to pull over, as required under law. The young man chose to flee and
ultimately caused his own death by his choices. This ruling requires the deputy
to know what he could not know at the time, to assume responsibility for the
choices of the suspect, and still protect the public. This ruling does not make
sense in the real world. Had the deputy used lethal force in this situation,
then I might be able to understand this ruling, but no shots were fired, no
blows struck, no attempt to forcibly end the pursuit. What's missing?