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Published: Monday, Aug. 5 2013 2:28 p.m. MDT

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louie
Cottonwood Heights, UT

procuradorfiscal:

If the British system was broken twenty years ago why is it still alive and well today. In fact based on my personal experience it is very good. In fact they get more service at lesser cost than we do. I challenge anyone to prove otherwise. Furthermore no modern country has tried a system involving "single payer funding" and then changed back. You comment about a "failed" system. We are there...many of our citizens have little access to healthcare so what is your solution

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Truthseeker,

We've visited this concept many times before. The clause that you misquoted is part of a single sentence that comprises Article 1, Section 8, and it refers only to that single sentence, just as all dependent clauses require the context of the sentence in which they are found before they have basis.

The preceding seventeen clauses listed (enumerated) the duties that we, the people, had delegated to Congress to provide. The eigtheenth clause gave Congress the authority to tax us for the "foregoing" powers in those preceding seventeen clauses that we delegated to Congress.

You must never take that clause out of context to imply something that if false when taken out of context.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "If the British system was broken twenty years ago why is it still alive and well today[?]"

It isn't. It's dead. And it stinks.

It does not, cannot, meet the needs of the British public. There's just too little care for too many people. But, since there's no legal or affordable alternative, British patients keep queuing up, in the hope of winning the health care lottery -- that is, finding the way to beg, wheedle, and cajole enough health care from the government monopoly to actually get well.

Get used to it. That's where we're headed.

louie
Cottonwood Heights, UT

procuradorfiscal:

You are making this more fun than I thought. You say "British patients keep queuing up, in the hope of winning the health care lottery. Maybe we should find that same que. After all the Brits outlive us by about 3 to 4 years. Other statistics include the fact the Brits have lower mortality birth rates. Speaking of queing up I spend more time on the phone with insurance companines trying to get them to pay bills. The experience I had with my family in England was the total opposite of what you describe.

Mark B
Eureka, CA

So, does the senator have any plan for health care other than opposing anything with any connection to government? After all, there are 30 or 40 million people with no plan at all. Wouldn't it be great if we had a clue of what Lee is FOR - besides keeping his donors happy?

Bored to the point of THIS!
Ogden, UT

RE Mike Richards

They compel me to own auto insurance. The compel me to det a drivers license. Die hard republicans are compelling people (mostly minorities) to get voter ID cards. The compel us to register for the draft. Etc...

Mike, the government compels us to do lots of things. I guess the good and bad of it depends upon your personal views. But you can't have it both ways. You posted earlier on another story the government should require voter id's to prevent fraud?

You confuse me?

Something to think about
Ogden, UT

Senator Lee is an interesting politician. He's relatively safe in his approach because of how Utah votes. He knows that saying "no" to everything is easier than saying "yes" to something. He knows that having "no" record in Utah is better than having voted "yes" and having that "yes" vote somehow used against him.

Smart guy... Horrible person to represent the people in the government, but certainly a smart guy!

peacemaker
Provo, UT

How ironic. Obama has shown total disregard and expresses his disrespect for the law he created. The law has passed and yet he changes it without regard for obeying it. He extends the provision requiring a specific implementation date of parts of the AHC. He has no authority without congressional passage to change or refuse to enforce any law.. He has shown total disregard of our legal system and feels he is the "supreme decision maker" of this great country. He is repeatedly avoiding the due process required by the constitution which he obviously deplores. All as predicted for his second term. AHC is just one of many examples. We all need to seriously consider the future consequences of his actions and each do our part to prevent further destruction of history's greatest country and government. Let your voices be heard!

peacemaker
Provo, UT

Thousands of Canadians come to this country for medical care which is unavailable to them due to the socialized medical care of that country. Not enough doctors. They abandoned seeking that profession years ago due to socialized process. We had a neighbor there who needed a serious heart procedure who was told it would be two months before they could get to him. He nearly died before that took place. Believe that? Ask a Canadian. AHC magnifies that type of a system. Read the bill. No one else has. The author of the bill calls it a train wreck about to happen.

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