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Published: Monday, Aug. 5 2013 2:28 p.m. MDT

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Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Does the government of the United States have the right to "compel" us to buy health insurance? If it does, where is that "right" defined? It is not on the list of enumerated duties found in Article 1, Section 8, where the people have listed those duties which they have authorized to Congress.

It does not matter whether a newspaper editor or even the whole country believes that ObamaCare is "good" for America. The Federal Government has not been authorized to compel us to buy health insurance. That is the only fact that is pertinent. Everything else is just "smoke and mirrors".

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

'Let's sabotage something that provides a service to people, and if you don't allow us to sabotage it, we'll hurt the economy by forcing a shutdown' is not exactly a winning argument.

FreedomFighter41
Provo, UT

Actually, les's crusade hasn't increased any support for his camp. Those tea party folks who supported Mike Lee before, will probably still support him today. While many many many more are completely against Lee now. Many didn't even know who he was. Now they do. Which isn't a good thing.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The only problem I have with his crusade is... if he's just against the ACA and he has no plan to replace it... his crusade will go nowhere.

You can't just be against something. You have to be FOR something. When the Republicans have a better plan people can be FOR... they may go somewhere. If they are just against the ACA but have no alternative plan, even though most Americans don't want Government Healthcare... they will not get enthusiastic public support.

The worst thing that could happen to most Americans would be for the ACA to get half implemented and then stall. That would be the worst of all posible outcomes. It would be better if failed or succeeded (at least then SOME people would benefit and it would not through our whole Healthcare System into chaos (which I'm starting to believe some politicians want).

For the anarchists and the Alynski fans the best thing possible scenario would be for Obama to cripple private insurance companies and at the same time propose a failed halfbreed system that would fail and leave the people PLEADING for Government Healthcare.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Senator Lee usually has some good ideas (IMO) but this is not one of them.

It makes no sense for Congress to not fund something Congress passed into law.

That's like my family deciding we're going to buy a new house, but then deciding we're not going to pay for it... we all suffer.

Congress passed it... Congress should fund it. If you don't want it now that you know what's in it... vote and get rid of it or fix the parts you don't like. Don't just decide you won't pay for it and you're willing to accept the consequences. That seems foolish.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

I'm fully in favor of repealing the ACA...

...but only if you replace it with a single-payer system.

The status quo in our healthcare financing system is a massive train wreck. For-profit healthcare financing systems are the #1 cause of personal bankruptcies in this country, and the trend is only getting worse.

This childish, self-aggrandizing and ultimately doomed-to-failure stunt by Tea Partiers to hold the economy hostage if they don't get their way does nothing to improve the healthcare of Americans.

But looking on the bright side, it does make the Tea Party and the GOP look more and more to most Americans like a petulant and spoiled 5 year-old in need of a nap, or a spanking, or both, which suits me just fine.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@Mike Richards – “The Federal Government has not been authorized to compel us to buy health insurance. That is the only fact that is pertinent.”

Worth repeating - Do you see no irony in thinking Senator Lee’s views (or yours) on the Constitution trump those of the Supreme Court?

Helene
WVC, UT

Congressman Lee wants to shut down government payments if the Obama health care plan is not modified. If Mr. Lee is willing to stop payments to anyone over this issue, his congressional pay check should be the first thing stopped. Mr. Lee: don't threaten the wages paid our military and their families provided through government spending because you are unable to stop the forced insurance coverage plan the Obama health care plan contains.
Put forward your own plan to offer health insurance to all Americans at a price we can afford, regardless of health conditions or age, that benefit the American people not just the insurance companies that make campaign contributions.

The Hammer
lehi, utah

Mike Lee's proposal might be the blessing in disguise the Democrats have been waiting for. They need more time to put pressure on states to accept the funding. They need more time to figure out the bureaucratic boondoggle of Obamacare and this would be the very thing that gives it to them.

On the other hand if this is purely a tactic to get the Democrats to out maneuver the Dems at the negotiating table then by all means carry on.

Unfortunately, The tea party has been coming up short on there ability to outmaneuver anyone lately.=(

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Where were these "shut down the Government" types when we un-funded an invasion of a non-aggressive sovereign oil rich country?

or

is it only when Americans need healthcare that we resort to the most extreme measures?

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Tyler,

The Court ruled that Congress has the right to tax us, but because ObamaCare was not funded, the Court did not rule on the Constitutionality of that tax. After ObamaCare is funded, you can be certain that the Court will revisit ObamaCare.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

I'm glad we elected this guy to posture ineffectually. There aren't enough people in Congress doing that.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Let's sabotage something that provides a service to people . . . ."

Well, first you gotta find something that provides a service to people. That's certainly not Obamacare.

It provides a service only to Obama and his socializing cronies. They've admitted as much by opting out, themselves.

They know Obamacare will fail. It can't help but fail. It's too expensive, too expansive, and WAY too destructive of American freedom and prosperity.

But that's exactly what Obama wants. Like his mentors, Marx, Engels, Cloward, and Piven, he knows the only way to bring about the "fundamental change" he wants is to first destroy the working systems in place.

Twenty years ago, as Hillary proved, no one voted for a broken, British-style system of rationed, government-doled health care. After liberals destroy the best health care delivery system in the world, though, desperate rubes will buy into anything, including a system that'll never meet their needs, but will empower the oligarchs by requiring dependence on government for the very means of existence.

Today, destroy health care. Tomorrow? The world.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:MikeRichards

U.S. Constitution, Article 1 Sec. 8 Clause 18:
"The Congress shall have Power - To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

The clause has been paired with the Commerce Clause to provide the constitutional basis for a wide variety of federal laws.

These combination of clauses have also been used to uphold federal laws affecting economic activity, they also were used to justify federal criminal laws.

In addition to these powers to charter and operate federal banks, the clause was linked to the General Welfare clause and the constitutional powers of tax collection and the ability to borrow money to give the federal government virtually complete control over currency.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Mike _ I fixed your comment;

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Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Tyler,

The Court ruled that Congress has the right to tax us, but because the Bush Wars were not funded, the Court did not rule on the Constitutionality of that tax. After the Bush Wars are funded, you can be certain that the Court will revisit the Bush Wars.
8:06 p.m. Aug. 5, 2013

Pat
Salt Lake , UT

For me this is a hard one. As a die-hard Republican I see the fracture resulting in a very possible defeat in 2014 and a very definite defeat in 2016. On the other hand, a great man once said "stand for something", and as I see my freedoms being eroded I also see my party standing on the sidelines doing nothing. I applaud Sen Lee for standing up for something that he, and I, see as very wrong. I guess we just do our best, trying not to compromise our integrity, trusting that everything will work out.

Sal
Provo, UT

I won't vote for delegates who will vote for Lee. He's too far right for me. He should stand aside and allow Obamacare to fail on its own, which it will. Otherwise Republicans will lose the House, too, in the next elections as Lee and others try to shut down the government by refusing to fund Obamacare. Lee is not a reasonable man who can help Republicans win elections.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

Truthseeker:

Quit bringing up that pesky "elastic clause." According to Mike it doesn't really exist.

RFLASH
Salt Lake City, UT

Obamacare could be the best thing in the World, and Lee would be doing the same thing he is right now!Many in the Tea Party have adopted one major goal, and that is the downfall of Obama. They could care less about what actually happens to our country. Lee is no different than a loud mouthed kid who is throwing a tantrum in the store because his mom won't buy him candy! I guess, the more he pouts and cries, the better off our country will be, right? Any child can have a fit! Shouldn't we expect a little bit more from Lee?

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

No windmills here in Utah to attack Don Quijote?

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