Or maybe.... he just saw that Utah was the better football program! Winners of
the last 3 head to head matchups and 8 out of the last 11. Pac-12 school over a
school without friends. Better chance at making the NFL on defense... well
really any position other than QB (but how long has it been since BYU had a
decent QB in the league). Smart choice for this kid, he should shine in crimson
Sounds like he decided against his mission at this time and needed a scholarship
that BYU couldn't give him. Probably a good decision on his part. And the
competition is already pretty strong at that position, his chances to play would
better at the U. Wish him the best of luck.
@SLCWatch You are way confused. Harvey didn't go on a mission
but he did grey shirt his first year due to a fractured hip. He chose BYU over
Utah mostly because of his relationship with Coach Lance Reynolds. As for Murphy, I was told by a current BYU coach that a scholarship was made
available for him after his mission but for his own reasons Jake selected Utah
over BYU. Big loss for the Cougars but Jake will probably move on and have a
successful pro-career and be a fine representative of the State and the Church.
(continued)Volleyball? The Ute’s are so intimidated by BYU’s
nearly always ranked #5 or better team that they don’t even compete in
men’s volleyball. Academics? Utah definitely is a better
research school (offer more graduate programs and have more grant money) and BYU
is definitely a better undergraduate institution. Basketball? Get
real… BYU owns 11 of the last 12 and has been dancing six of the last
seven. Utah? I think they beat Montana once. Or was it Sacramento State? So, ekute, I don’t think you were trying to be sarcastic or
ironic, but perhaps you were. If so, thanks for again reminding us who clearly
has the better athletic program. Hint: it’s not the one that dwells at
the bottom of a stellar conference.
RE: ekute"I too love my Pac12 membership. My membership makes
the Utes The Best in baseball, rugby, volleyball, academically, women's
gymnastics and, you didn't mention basketball but the Runnin' Utes are
the best in that too. And...We have a long history of owning you're team in
football."Are you being serious? Utah definitely has the best
women's gymnastics team in the state, all the other things you listed are
debatable at best. Baseball? In the last five years Utah is
115-153 (.429) and BYU is 142-130 (.526), and BYU owns the head-to-head 14-7.
Rugby? Seriously, do you not read the paper? The Utes program is
currently suspended and in the last five years BYU has three national titles and
the other two years finished second… in the nation! And they own Utah 6-1
over that period with the lone loss being by two points. (continued)
It has been reported that Pita didn't want to play for the Cougars because
they just plain stink.
Don't know if this kid will be good or not, don't know if he decided
to go to the U because he felt it was a better fit, or he didn't like the
atmosphere at BYU, or whatever. Doesn't matter. Seems like a good kid and
I'm glad he has the chance to get his education paid for. But please,
let's drop the "holier than thou" attitude at the Y. The U has to
juggle scholarships for RMs too. I'm pretty sure "fit" was more of
an issue than scholarship. Even Bronco isn't that dumb. And secondly,
BYU's academic level is not higher than the U's. Their collective team
GPA isn't even higher. The Newsweek ranking so often quoted takes into
account cost, which is heavily subsidized by the LDS Church. If tuition was the
same you would see the Y slip way below the U. All other credible ranking
institutions have the U higher. No knock on the Y, you still have to get grades,
and some of their programs are ranked higher than the U (accounting,
communications). But better overall? Nope. That's a myth.
VegasUteAfter failing to meet academic requirements at BYU, Star
spent 2007 building furniture before deciding to get back into football at Snow.
BYU simply lost track of Star and Utah was the fortunate recipient of BYU's
loss.As far as Pita is concerned, it remains to be seen where he
ultimately ends up playing. At this point, it's far from a given that
he'll be academically eligible to play at either BYU or Utah.
From what I have read, Pita Taumoepenu won't be eligible to play until 2014
anyway. If that is the case, and he REALLY wanted to go to byU, wouldn't
byU have a spot open for him in 2014?Just wondering....
@Elk Hair CaddisYou're absolutely right, Hans Olsen says the
offer was withdrawn. He was not an insider and had no first hand knowledge
however.But Manti Te'o said it wasn't. His dad Bruce
didn't say it was. Bronco did not say it was. He was still being recruited
on signing day. Again, he never committed to BYU.
@ReasonableUte I assume you meant Harvey Unga, I corrected that it was
Manase Tonga on page two. If you did mean Langi, he is currently serving a
mission as others have stated.@Elk Hair Caddis I
stand by my statement. Manti Teo never commited to come to BYU. His cousin did
but was asked to leave after getting arrested for a DUI and not telling Coach
Mendenhall. If you want to say BYU withdrew their offer after Manti did the
unspeakable of committing somewhere else first...more power to you. Manti
didn't commit anywhere until signing day when he surprised USC and went to
Notre Dame. USC thought Norm Chow and convinced him to come to USC but Charlie
Weis won out.
First regarding the point of the article. This young man changed his mind,
probably because he didn't have a scholarship to the Y but who knows if
that was the only reason. Nothing indicates he will have a scholarship at Utah
right now.Second, what a total bunch of garbage in numerous posts
about Star, Murphy, Teo, and Langi. Several posters clarified the Langi
situation (he's on a mission), some clarified Teo (he was going to pick ND
over BYU and had nothing to do with a scholarship). Murphy felt Utah was a
better fit, same thing happened with Unga deciding BYU was a better fit.
Finally, Star went to JC because of academic reasons. He WAS given an offer
from BYU after JC but choose Utah.
U25 please read Star's quotes from the D news story of May 1st 2012 written
by Brandon Gurney. Even Star said he had no offer from BYU comming out of JC.
SLCWatch I suggest you read Hans Olsen's quotes from a Deseret
News article of Jan 27th 2009 written by Jeff Call, Amy Donaldson, and Dick
Harmon so you can get the Manti Teo story straight. Manti's offer was
pulled as was Star's after he struggled academically on the junior college
Is the "high academic standard" argument really being brought up again?
After a certain team took a player this year who had to sit out an entire year
of junior college athletics to focus on getting his academic eligibility to the
level that any school would take him? Keep using it if it keeps you feeling
@ SLCWatchHarvey langey didn't serve a mission...
BigCougar: "Really talented kids who commit to BYU from Timp are going to
be under extremely heavy barrage of pressure from Whit's brother to switch
their commitment"This kid wanted an offer from Utah when he
first visited, but Utah didn't offer him then, so he "settled" on
byU. Things obviously changed from that moment at both Utah and byU. He did
finally get an offer from Utah, and accepted it. Deal with it and move on. It
had NOTHING to do with undue pressures or undue influence from Timp's head
coach. He chose Utah over byU. byU lost him to the big brother on the hill -
maligning the character of a good man and coach won't make the facts
U25I refer you to the book on Bronco's program, "Running into the
wind." Bronco requires a 3.00 GPA. He is insistant that student atheletes
actually have a higher standard. Sorry you have not read the book. It's a
good read but part two is a little redundant.
Just Truth: Please re-read my post. Star had an offer from byU coming out of
Snow! byU lost him when he chose Utah over byU coming out of Snow. He was only
an academic casualty to byU coming out of high school."But I
guess facts don't get in the way of great reporting like
yours...haha"Go Utes!! Onward and Upward!!
Star was a full qualifier out of snow, I don't know why bronco wasnt
interested in him then but that looks like a major failure on his part. Claiming
players didn't go to the y because of their high academic standard is a
myth, academic standards are so much lower for athletes than it is for the
I'm most certain this comment will not be "approved" by the Deseret
News. However, it seems to me that many individuals most of whom are located in
Utah County truly need to brush up on their facts! One of the NUMEROUS reasons
the PAC 12 had ZERO interest in BYU was not only weak athletics & the
inability to constantly compete in a conference like the PAC 12 but also its
academics. Yes! Fact. I'm aware how much you all hate them in Provo but The
U of U offers many more graduate degrees and the PhD level is light years ahead
of that other school down in Provo!
Well, I think this effectively closes the Timpview pipeline we enjoyed when
Louis Wong was coach. Really talented kids who commit to BYU from Timp are going
to be under extremely heavy barrage of pressure from Whit's brother to
switch their commitment. Chalk one up to the Whittinghams. I wonder
if they can get Fred Jr in as the HC at Bingham now?
@Just TruthI'd rather have BYU's predicament of turning
potential greats away because the cupboard is full, than Utah's fall back
plan of waiting for the leftovers.------------If you
define "potential greats" as NFL talent then you are wrong. I think the kid wants to play in the NFL. If that's the case then Utah
is the place, if firesides are more important to him then the legacy program
down south should have been the choice.Current NFL Roster:Utah 31BYU 15Utah State 13Weber State 3
I too love my Pac12 membership. My membership makes the Utes The Best in
baseball, rugby, volleyball, academically, women's gymnastics and, you
didn't mention basketball but the Runnin' Utes are the best in that
too.And...We have a long history of owning you're team in
Yes, VegasUte, star had an offer at BYU, didn't make the grade, lost the
offer, and went to Snow, then transferred to the U where a scholarship was
available. That's hardly losing a recruit. But I guess facts don't get
in the way of great reporting like yours...haha
Here are some others who love utah's membership in the Pac-12:University of ArizonaArizona State UniversityUniversity of
OregonOregon State UniversityUniversity of WashingtonWashington State UniversityUniversity of California - BerkeleyUniversity of California - Las AngelesUniversity of Southern
CaliforniaStanford UniversityUniversity of ColoradoDid I
Chris B. - It feels great seeing your beloved utes get smacked around week in
and week out. But good luck this year in your pac12 your going to need it.
CougFaninTX,Please define "best program in the state". Best at
football? USU doesn't think so.Two questions - 1.
Why are you trying to have a conversation with Chris B?2. Why should
we care what USU thinks about who has the best football program in the state?
Every program should think they are the best, and most fans will think their
program is the best. USU beating Utah 1 time since '97 doesn't prove
much on its own, but win 2 in a row and a conversation can be had. Add to that
USU has lost two BYU twice in a row, a team that Utah has beaten 3 times in a
row. Football starts in 24 days, thats when USU fans can start thinking they
are the best if they win in week 1.As of now Utah is the best
football "program" in the state. Last year USU was the best
"team" in state.As for any other sports, irrelevant in this
@ Chris B - "I love my BCS Pac 12 membership and being the best program in
the state!"Two questions - 1. Do U have a membership
in the PAC or is the University a member of the PAC? I didn't know they
were issuing individual memberships.2. Please define "best
program in the state". Best at football? USU doesn't think so. Best
at basketball? Nobody thinks so. Best at baseball? I don't think so.
Best at Rugby or Volleyball? Not even close. Best academically? Not according
to US News. Best at women's gymnastics? That's it. U probably meant
to say best gymnastics program in the state.
Agree with Mr. Passion --- could have occurred for any number of reasons, and it
would be indiscreet for any program to offer and then withdraw a scholarship.
This is not necessarily a slam against BYU, just another young man
laying his cards on the table & trying to choose his optimal personal
pathway based on the advice he receives and his perspective of chances/options
to play. Blogs are also reporting, for example, Miami's first
string Sam LB is moving to Utah after two years in Southern Florida; he'll
have a RS year, but with Brian Blechen currently in his senior year, the timing
could be great for him. (Haven't seen info from Miami as to why the move
is happening.)And probably more turbulence is on the way.... Very
well could be alot more moves during the next few weeks / months before Signing
Day, most likely this is just one of many.
Shame on those few who have questioned his character. Did we learn nothing this
past week when a Utah player and a Texas A&M player died?
Regardless of the reasons for Pita going to Utah, it is true that there is
little BYU can do when all of their scholarships have been offered based on the
comings and goings of players. Pita sounds like an extremely talented player,
one that I would like to see at BYU. But if he said he was going on a mission,
clearly BYU would not offer him a scholarship so that it could sit unused for
two years. When his plans changed, were the BYU coaches then supposed to pull a
scholarship offer from another player to whom it had already been promised? I
certainly wouldn't want them to do that, even though it is costing them in
this case and it cost them with Jake Murphy. Dealing honorably even when it
costs you in the short run is better than losing integrity for the sake of
winning at all costs.
Every one from Utah County refuses to accept that byU DID offer Star out of
Snow. All the reporting services state that he had an offer. The only evidence
I have been given to the contrary is an article written by Gurney (?) - who is
hardly objective - quoting an obscure statement made by an unnamed assistant
coach.It seems that byU fans approach their recruits the same way
they approach their football games - they have never lost a single one!Go Utes!
It's just a matter of scholarships lining up at the right time. But two can
play the game of twisting the article on these silly comment boards. From my
perspective, this is how it is when a player wants to play for the best college
in the state, BYU. But yeah, Utah always seems to have an opening if the first
choice falls through. Guess what? Weber State would accommodate this young man
also. I'd rather have BYU's predicament of turning potential greats
away because the cupboard is full, than Utah's fall back plan of waiting
for the leftovers.
Welcome to Ute Nation young man! You obviously made the right choice. We look
forward to watching you grow in the classroom and on the field!Cougsndawgs:"so he had to settle for Utah"LOL!
Ya, he had to settle ... just like Sealver Siliga, Star, Jake Murphy, Davion
Orphey, et al.Spin away!!Go Utes!!Go Utes!!
I love how BYU fans just make stuff up to excuse their own miserable failures.
Nothing better than the jealous rantings from Cougar fans on Utah articles LOL
at the Y fans who continue to come in hoards to Utah boards seeking validation.
"Personally he’s got things that he hasn’t shared with or
anybody else"Probably other things involved in his decision. I
wish him the best.
Wardog--I consider myself a much higher caliber than the average
"moran." I don't say moranic things and even though I'm not a
BYU fan and I'm not a Morman--I love my Morman friends and neighbors and I
respect Brancos progrom. But I think that the idea of the kid wanting to be a
part of the PAC 12 is totally conceivable and I totolly respect his decisian.
why ride the pines when you can start right now on the Utes.....wont win many
games but who cares if you are starting?
SLCWatch - "By the way, I am glad he could get into a school on scholarship.
But I hope he doesn't give up on the mission because it's far more
important than football. Hope Utah coaches keep that option open for
him."I agree. Knowing players and coaches up there, he will go
on a mission unless he stops practicing the faith. They have lots of RM's
there and the defense coaches are supportive as well.
RE:Elk Hair CaddisSandy, UTYou have some facts wrong."Star lotulelei was originally headed to BYU then the offer was pulled and
he did great at Utah." Star had to go to JRCO route. BYU did not pull his
offer. They just did not offer him again went he finish at Snow. BYU's
mistake. "Manti Teo was originally slated for BYU then the offer
was pulled and he did fine at Notre Dame." Manti Teo sign with ND and never
sign with BYU so BYU could not pull an offer that was not taken. Nothing BYU
could do here.
I hope he is happy at Utah and get a chance to play well. Best of luck.
Based on some of Whittingham's comments, I wonder if there are some issues
preventing him from serving a mission. Perhaps that is why he has changed his
plans.Whether that's the case or not I hope he still ends up on
a mission someday. And it's (maybe) unfortunate that BYU let him get away.
Time will tell.
@Elk Hair Caddis "Manti Teo was originally slated for BYU then
the offer was pulled and he did fine at Notre Dame."Factually,
you are correct but circumstantially a different story. Bronco pulled
Teo's scholarship only after he was courting a prettier girl in Notre Dame.
Notre Dame was not a second choice. But yes, I suppose we can hang
our hat on BYU rejected him.
Rational: You were right about Harvey Unga, it was Manase Tonga I was
thinking about. My point was that the schools both have people who switch.
They are young and often change their minds. Neither school is better than the
other as a general rule.As to Star BYU does have a higher entrance
level and Bronco Mendenhall has an even higher level. Star did great getting
his up but not to the level the Y required. Utah has a state school entrance
level and it's not as high so after a year he qualified there. He still
likes the Y but his college and career choices were on hold so he moved on.
It's not a "gang" red/blue kind of thing.
Re: 3grandslamsNot to worry, after this season LittleWhit won't
have a big brother in the coaching profession.
In other words, somebody talked the kid out of going on a mission. How special.
Lets see...Whittingham gets a BYU commit to change his commitment from BYU to
Utah for, Oh yea, Coach Whittingham his brother. Never saw that coming. It will
@Cougsndawgs"He had to settle for Utah." Really? Going from
a mediocre independent to a PAC-12 school is hardly "settling." BYU (and
Bronco) have lost some outstanding talent to Utah; this kid is just the latest
to see the proverbial light.
I love my BCS Pac 12 membership and being the best program in the state!Go Utes!How does it feel cougars?LOL!
More Pac-12 Patch spin...Hilarious!Conference spin only helps
when you're one of the Big Boys of your league.Conference
Bottom-feeders i.e Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Duke etc. don't ever play that
card. They play up their academics, another area where Utah falls behind not
only BYU, but the rest of the Pac.No Whitt, he's coming your
way because BYU didn't have room for him at this time.Just as Jake
Murphy did.Capiche?Being honest with young men you are
recruiting and your fans, will go a long way in establishing credibility.
Thx for the heads up on Langi. That's great news!!!
Congrats to the Utes for winning over another BYU commit! Whether it's a
lack of scholarship or the Whittingham connection it doesn't matter. This
Cougar faithful wishes him the best and hope he'll shine where he's
planted. If BYU can still compete and maintain a level of success with the
talents they're able to get then that's all that matters. I love it
when they can still compete with no name athletes others looked down on as just
2 stars or even no stars. I love it also that these kids have missions on their
minds besides football. Great things awaits them when the Lord is made an
important part of their lives. I am obviously very proud of the poly pipeline
to all the Utah schools and hope BYU will continue to win it's fair
share.Go Cougs beat the Utes and Aggies! And yes I do love both
those schools too!
SLCWatchI'm pretty sure Unga didn't serve a mission,
unless it was the Max Hall version. He was 20 when he was MWC Freshman of the
Year.As to Star going to the U after Snow, I've never seen any
evidence BYU wouldn't have accepted him after Snow.Taumoepenu
seems extremely athletic, but inexperienced. Ziggy 2?
he's sure to make "all american" first team now and lead the utes
to 7 or 8 rose bowl victories.
Ute nation has their arms wide open for this kid. Not sure he has a scholarship
at Utah. Article just says he had an extreme interest in the Utes. Hope he works
hard and turns into the talent that will earn him a full scholarship. The
Polynesian culture is strong at the U, and surely had a lot to do with his
commitment.BYU does what a lot of schools do, and offers way too
many scholarships - more than they can give out. If they want to walk the talk,
they should hold off extending offers a little longer. Are they so worried that
their recruits will change their minds once the BCS schools make their offers?
Sorry, I don't understand the Y fans who are now doubting this kids talent.
Managing scholarships, missions and NCAA rules is tough business - especially
when mission plans change.I'm disappointed we lost Pita, but we
get our fair share of athletes who commit to other programs and then come to BYU
after their missions. (No, we don't recruit them on their missions.) One of the other ones I'm very disappointed we lost is DeMarcus
Harrison on the basketball team, because of no scholarship after he postponed
his mission for a year.I wish Pita well and hope he still decides to
Jarvis,Langi is on a mission.
Sorry to see him leaving BYU...I'm sure he had his reasons, and they are
probably not all because of the lack of scholarships.Glad he stayed
instate.ESPN had him going to Hawaii.No stars means
nothing. It what he does in practice and on the field that counts.He'll probably end up as a linebacker and the Y is loaded with
Steven S JarvisD news reported last year that Langi was to enter the
MTC in July 2012.... hopefully that's why we haven't heard about him
Kyle Whittingham (head coach at Utah)Cary Whittingham (head coach
By the way, I am glad he could get into a school on scholarship. But I hope he
doesn't give up on the mission because it's far more important than
football. Hope Utah coaches keep that option open for him.
@Elk Hair CaddisStar Lotulelei did not meet academic standards and
couldn't enter BYU, his scholarship waited for him while he went to Snow.
He ended up at the U because the academic standard was easir to meet. Too Bad
BYU lost him but it was because of his academics not BYU pulling the
scholarship.Manti Teo never accepted BYU's offer because he saw
Notre Dame as a better choice. His offer was not pulledYou
didn't mention Jake Murphy but he chose BYU out of high school, but left on
a mission first. When he came back early the Y didn't have a scholarship
because he wasn't scheduled to be back early. So he and his Dad went up to
Utah and talked to the coaches. He chose Utah who did have a scholarship.It goes both ways sometimes. Harvey Unga was a Utah recruit but chose
BYU after his mission.Both schools are usually trying for the same good
Utah players.Don't worry about it.
Steven S Jarvis says..."I hope (Pita) still goes on a mission before
playing""I'm not even sure if Langi is still on the team at
this point."Langi is serving a mission, just like you hope for
Pita. He will rejoin the team in 2014.
Steven:Harvey Langi is actually serving a mission. I had wondered
what happened with him also.
This will likely be another scholarship mishap that the Cougars will lament. I
think of how the Cougars would be better off if Jake Murphy had his scholarship
available at the Y when he needed it...Flubs will happen though, and
both BYU and the U of U have good programs. Best wishes to Pita at his new
school of choice, even though I was hoping to see him playing for the Cougs.
@CougsndawgsWest Point , UT"It doesn't sound like he
had much choice."Ahhh... the old reliable "he really
didn't have a choice to attend BYU" excuse...With several
players retiring due to injury... BYU had the scholarships... he just chose
Utah... is that too hard to admit?
Lost Murphy by not tracking scholarships correctly... What is up with BYU
managing the scholarship numbers and commitments?
Its a shame Pita will be wearing the crimson red instead of the Cougar blue. I
hope he still goes on a mission before playing, but it sounds like he changed
commitments for the chance at playing immediately.I remember another
stud athlete both teams wanted out of Bingham who chose Utah over BYU to have a
chance to play right away. Even though he was the top in-state recruit that
year he only has saw limited action and most of it on special teams wasting
eligibility. I'm not even sure if Langi is still on the team at this point.
Pretty raw but obviously talented enough to play at the next level. Hopefully
he can become a great player.Happy to have him as a Ute!
How does bronco let one of the best recruits in last years class get away.
I wish him the best. He is a young kid trying figure things out. Star lotulelei was originally headed to BYU then the offer was pulled and he
did great at Utah. Manti Teo was originally slated for BYU then the
offer was pulled and he did fine at Notre Dame.Not sure why BYU lost
this kid but it is a loss. I hope he does great at Utah.BYU will do
fine without him.
@More Mature Y FanYeah. A "moran". Like Erin Moran, who was
in Happy Days.Speaking of Happy Days, congratulations to the fine
young man joining the Utes!
@CougsndawgsThose grapes are pretty sour, aren't they? And the
reason this player is "only" 2 stars (like other football flops like
Eric Weddle and Alex Smith), according to many BYU pundits when he committed to
BYU, is because he's only played one year of football.You'd look better if you just admitted that this one got away. You
know...take it like a man.
Howard:It doesn't sound like he had much choice. He chose BYU but
they didn't have a scholarship for him so he had to settle for Utah. Who
knows what the deal was with BYU not having a scholarship for him when they
obviously offered...some mismanagement issues I'm sure. It's hard to
juggle at times at BYU with the missionary program. It's not the first time
it's happened and won't be the last.
Bummer for BYU but congrats to Utah, seems like a stand-up kid. He should
represent his country and his family well.
The young man chose well... he accepted the challenge of testing and improving
his considerable skills in one of the strongest football conferences in the
Complete moran? Sigh...Wonderful representation.
BYU = stupid. You find a place on your roster for this kid. You just had a
scholarship player retire due to injury. Where did his schollie go?
Hopefully AZUTE will accept u Pita seeing that you're only a 2 star on
scout and unrated in rivals. Maybe he'll allow you to play for the scout
team since he has so much to do with the ute program and their 4 star status.
Coach wit really trying to play the PAC 12 angle in hopes it will help with
other recruits. Fact is it had nothing to do with the PAC 12 as anyone who is
not complete moran could tell from the article