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Published: Sunday, Aug. 4 2013 3:20 p.m. MDT

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GO_COUGARS!
Provo, UT

Here in Provo it will always be 1984.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

If I have to choose between the government monitoring who I call or reading about people getting killed and maimed in bombings all the time I'll choose the government surveillance of my phone calls.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@cjb

IF gave up all your freedom for the promise of security,

then what do have?

What would be the point?

True freedom, true liberty comes with risk.

Why would you want it any other way?

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@the truth

"True freedom, true liberty comes with risk. Why would you want it any other way?"

Perhaps because he has weighed the negatives (the government listening to him talk to his mom on the phone) and decided that they are worth it given the positives (not getting blown up at his next marathon).

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

I am quite conservative. I believe in a strong military.
But when the technology exists for government to track us in real-time and read the content of our emails and scan every envelope we mail and know where we've been by scanning our license plates and track within a few feet where we were when we made a phone call and gather information about our movements from the cameras located just about everywhere...I say that is enough. There is too much power in the hands of government.
They have proven that they can roadblock the formation of political groups and audit tax returns for political purposes.
Locally we've seen that people can access government information and firebomb the vehicle of an enemy. Why would be believe that Washington spies would have any more integrity?

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

@the truth?

Ask the surviving families of 9-11 victims the same questions.

George
New York, NY

While Ian share some measure of concern the protestor golfing the sign with the swastika lost all credibility with me. I am so tired of everyone comparing everything to nazi's.

Todd_i
Midway, UT

This topic seems to be the only one in the last half decade to unity the Right, Left, and Middle. It is a concern to me how much government (and private business as well) can and/or does monitor every word, click, or search we do on our phones, computers, at check out terminals, etc. Somehow we need a check and balance for this 'security work'.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

Obama defeated a sitting Democrat state senator in Illinois when the Chicago Tribune (David Axelrod's old employer) got a judge to unseal the divorce records of the sitting state senator. The poor guy never recovered from the salacious revelations.

Funny, Jack Ryan, Obama's opponent in his campaign for the US Senate also had his divorce records unsealed. The LA Times went to a judge in California and magically those records were unsealed. (Jack was married to Jeri Ryan, of 7 of 9 fame). Those materials also destroyed his political career.

Anyone see a pattern here? True, I can't prove that Obama's finger prints are on this.

If this is how the Obama government uses private information, can they be trusted with massive collections of data on every American?

How did they use information on TEA Party groups?

The people should control the government, not the other way around.

RG
Buena Vista, VA

"Give me liberty, or give me death." - Patrick Henry

RBB
Sandy, UT

The 4th Amendmeny was written to prevent this exact type of behavior. That is why it requires probable cause for a warrant to issue. If the government is spying on us, there is really no liberty. I can assure you, the government tracking my phone calls will not prevent a terror attack. It will, however, allow a corrupt government to use informantion against me. Does anyone remember the FBI files that ended up at the white house, even though it was illegal for them to be there. If you call the wrong tlephone numbers, give to the wrong political party, a corrupt government can use its many enforcement branches to make life difficult. They have already show a willingness to use the IRS.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Headline should read– Mysterious Loss of Time: Folks not able to account for 12 years of their lives, awake to find their right to privacy had been removed over 12 years ago!

Better late than never, but I have to ask, what took so long for you to notice and or care, and why now?

Uniting (and) Strengthening America (by)Providing Appropriate Tools Required (to) Intercept (and) Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001.[1] is an Act of Congress that was signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 26, 2001.

Such a clever name, got a flag on your lapel?

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

These protestors are exercising their Constitutional rights of freedom of speech. Even using images like the swastika and the hammer and sickle is protected speech guaranteed by the government they slander.

These protestors don’t appreciate what tyrannical government is. A dose of Twilight Zone justice might give them a new perspective. After 24 hours of forced living in a Nazi concentration camp or a Stalinist gulag, they might be grateful little boys and girls to be transported back to the present to live under the government they think is so awful.

And yet despite how they choose to exercise their freedom of speech, I will always defend that right for both them and myself.

Star Bright
Salt Lake City, Ut

So if was started under Bush to respond to 9/11 where they intercepted/monitored calls from the U.S. to the middle east - we have to go back and blame Bush. Don't remember that Bush was using the information to go after conservative groups, liberal groups, using the irs to go after his enemies, do you?
If you don't remember there were a lot of conservatives who went after Bush for the Patriot Act. And the din from the left was deafening. Now it has increased by 100% and just like the war, we never see anyone from the left out protesting about the # killed on the battlefield. The president doesn't mention it, and the msm doesn't bother to cover.
Of course everyone wants to be safe. But all their monitoring, and calls from the Russians didn't save those people in Boston did it? Were they too busy listening in on groups they don't like instead of taking warnings seriously?

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

Todd i,

"....we need a check and balance for this 'security work'."
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The check and balance is in the authorization by Congress to the NSA to do the job they are doing. They can and should be brought to account if they exceed that authority. So far, I've seen no evidence that the NSA is doing anything that is not in the scope of its authority. If you disapprove of what they are doing, write to your Congressional representatives to change the law.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Star Bright said: If you don't remember there were a lot of conservatives who went after Bush for the Patriot Act. And the din from the left was deafening. Now it has increased by 100%

First of all I remember the how anti american and pro terrorist you were if you didn't support the patriot act I don't remember the same out cry from conservatives or their radio support squad. How has it increased by 100% please cite?

I think it's a crock now as I did then and was labeled un-patriotic, just some consistency from the right, since they only seem to notice when they aren't in power and Obama didn't use the IRS to spy on conservatives, anymore than dick cheney used no contract bids to further haliburtin's profiteering.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "Happy Valley Heretic" and any others who blame Bush for the problem, why bother? What good does it do to issue blame? Will that make the surveillance go away? Why do you just want to blame others for the problems, but not actually do anything to fix them?

To "cjb" you should be very concerned about the government recording all of your phone and email traffic. Imagine that you offend a government official with enough power to get access to all of your data that the NSA has collected. While you think your email and phone conversations were harmless, they can manipulate the information to make you appear to be a radical terrorist sympathizer. The more information they collect, the easier it is to make you look crazy.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

"...Imagine that you offend a government official with enough power...While you think your email and phone conversations were harmless, they can manipulate the information to make you appear to be a radical terrorist sympathizer. The more information they collect, the easier it is to make you look crazy...".

Already happened numerous times during the reign of Republican President Bush.

"...True, I can't prove...".

A move perfected by Republican Senator Joe McCarthy, reprised by a look-a-like from Texas Republican Senator Ted Cruz.

"...Don't remember that Bush was using information to go after...liberal groups...".

LOL.

Aggie238
Logan, UT

cjb

Way to fall for the false "choice/balance between liberty and security" narrative. Fact is, these programs don't do much, if anything to prevent terror attacks. Intelligence officials testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee a week or so ago looked pretty silly when the "54 thwarted terror plots" that supposedly had been disrupted by these programs turned out to be "maybe one, if any" that could have been a "but for" scenario. It's not a choice between security and liberty. If you lose your liberty, you have, by default, lost your security. Whether the terrorists hail from Iraq or Washington D.C. makes no difference in the end. At any rate, you're more than four times as likely to be struck by lightning as you are to be a victim of a terror attack, so we'd better outlaw thunderstorms while you're at it.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "There You Go Again" so are you for or against letting the NSA continue to collect your emails, phone records, and phone conversations?

Personally I am against it because of the potential for abuse that is creates. You realize this isn't a partisan topic. This is a freedom vs tyrany issue. Are you for freedom and stopping the NSA from collecting data or are you willing to surrender freedom and let the NSA collect the data on you?

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