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Published: Saturday, Aug. 3 2013 8:13 p.m. MDT

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Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Here’s a look at the talent by the numbers:

NFL Talent:

USC 53
Oregon 39
Stanford 32
Utah 31
Arizona 20
Colorado 15
BYU 13
Washington State 11

Recruiting Talent (PAC-12 rankings over 3 years):
#1 USC
#3 Washington
#7 Utah
#9 Arizona
#12 Washington State

Just for kicks let’s look at BYU:
2013: #63 ... equal to #12 P12 Colorado overall 69
2012: #60 ... equal to #12 P12 - Washington State overall 50
2011: #66 ... equal to #12 P12 - Arizona overall 70

So numbers seem to suggest BYU would be ranked near "Rock" bottom in PAC-12 talent.

FatMan86
West Jordan, UT

Yawn, Utah still doesn't have the wins. Neither does BYU.

Neither one has any room to brag and neither is making the State Of Utah look good in the national picture.

The Arizona of the PAC 12?? More like the Wash St. And BYU is basically La Tech in their realm.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@clehman

Nor has utah ever been much of a football program. utah "fans" act as if two years makes a program, it doesn't. utah's other season's have been average or slightly above average the last decade and they have little history of being anything outside of those 10 mostly ok years.

I'd really like to know why utah "fans" think utah will ever be more than what arizona has been, a middle to bottom of the pac program. I understand utah "fans" want them to be better than that, I understand utah "fans" hope they are better than that, but what evidence is there to think they actually will be? There really is none.

Recruiting? Bottom half. Location? Bottom 2. Weather? Bottom 2. Budget? Dead last. Past accomplishments? Dead last. There just isn't any real reason to think otherwise.

Once again I understand you hope they will be better. I understand you want them to be better. But of course your hopes and desires really don't mean anything, that is all they are. Actual rational thought tells us they'll be far less than your hopes and desires.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Uteology.

"Here's more verifiable evidence that was left out in that statement. BYU was also ONE play from going 7-6:

"The Aggies (4-2) had a chance to tie the game with 7:47 left but Josh Thompson pulled a 38-yard field goal attempt wide left. The Aggies also are six points from being undefeated, having lost by two on the road to Wisconsin and now by three to the Cougars."

Yet BYU fans are here accusing Utah fans of making "excuses and whining". How ironic."

The irony is that you are trying to make BYU fans apologize for a comment by the D-news. A comment which was in fact true. You can come up with all the scenarios you want to but the fact remains that BYU was only a few plays from a 12-1 season. Was BYU one play from a 7-6 season? Absolutely. But that doesn't make the comment by the D-news false.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Uteology,

"Here’s a look at the talent by the numbers:

NFL Talent:

USC 53
Oregon 39
Stanford 32
Utah 31
Arizona 20
Colorado 15
BYU 13
Washington State 11

Recruiting Talent (PAC-12 rankings over 3 years):
#1 USC
#3 Washington
#7 Utah
#9 Arizona
#12 Washington State

Just for kicks let’s look at BYU:
2013: #63 ... equal to #12 P12 Colorado overall 69
2012: #60 ... equal to #12 P12 - Washington State overall 50
2011: #66 ... equal to #12 P12 - Arizona overall 70

So numbers seem to suggest BYU would be ranked near "Rock" bottom in PAC-12 talent."

Once again proving that BYU is your measure of success. With all that talent it would appear that Utah has really laid an egg.

scott182
Salt Lake City, UT

Personally I thought Utah would do a little better than they have done so far in the Pac12, but I knew that things would be very different no matter what. As far as being the new Arizona, I wish I could see into the future, but I can not. It doesn't matter that much to me if they are a great team right now, I can't see not liking Utah for struggling. I know coach Whitt has done fantastic things and probably will again, it's just a game and it's fun to watch. Go Utes!

GoRed
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

@cougars1

"With all that talent it would appear that Utah has really laid an egg."

And yet they still continue to beat BYU. What does that say for your cougars?

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

GoRed,

"And yet they still continue to beat BYU. What does that say for your cougars?"

And once again, thank you for reinforcing my point that BYU is still Utah's measuring stick.

clehman
Sandy, UT

@DH

Again, you miss the point completely.

What has happened at Arizona and what will happen at Utah are two completely separate things. Utah is not Arizona. Similarities prove squat. Only time will tell how good (or bad) the Utes will be in the conference.

killarney
Lincoln Park, IL

Uteology

"Lets look at talent by the numbers:..."

Who cares? None of those former Utah players now playing in the NFL can help U anymore than BYU's greats of the past can help BYU.

With all that talent, the Utes still haven't beaten a single PAC 12 team with a winning record. It obviously takes more than talent to win a football game.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

clehman

What happened at Arizona is exactly the same thing that IS happening at Utah.

A sometimes WAC conference contender, reduced to frequent PAC conference bottom dweller. After 35 years in the PAC, the Wildcats have only had FIVE AP Top 25 finishes, the last in 1998, a decade and a half ago.

Unfortunately for U, the Utes aren't even as good as Arizona. At least the Wildcats are competitive in other sports.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Uteology

It must be so frustrating, having such an embarrassment of talent, and still not be good enough to be ranked in the Top 25 or qualify for a bowl game.

During the Independent/PAC era

Top 25 Finishes
BYU 1
Utah 0

Bowl Games
BYU 2
Utah 1

Average Sagarin Ranking
BYU 30
Utah 50

Of course, you'll trying to spin Utah's sorry performance as simply a result of playing a stronger schedule, but the truth is, rankings are based on record versus schedule.

How else do you explain

#13 Ohio State(12-0) #60 SOS, finishing higher in the Sagarin rankings than
#19 USU(11-2) #97 SOS,
#26 BYU(8-5) #64 SOS, and
#61 Utah(5-7) #41 SOS?

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

We would have been in the Rose bowl a bunch by now. We make it to ROse bowl most years easily.

Hank Pym
SLC, UT

re: Cougars1

Did you pay attention to The HOF game last night? Did you notice that an undrafted Ute had 2 sacks? Shelby > Ansah.

Utefan4Lyf
West Jordan, UT

I'm not sure why it matters whether BYU lost by one point or 20? At the end of the season all that really matters to most people is whether there is a tick in the W or L column. As I see it, the Utes are two years into a new future with some awesome games ahead of us. No Ute fan is delusional enough to think we're going undefeated; however, each year we'll get better and increase our talent level. Will we get to the Rose Bowl every year? Most likely not, but I believe we'll start bowling almost every year. And every year, whether we bowl or not, I will still enjoy coming onto the board and telling the Cougar fans who attempt to berate my Utes just what the overall record between the two teams is. Because that is what matters between rivals. The final score.

Utefan4Lyf
West Jordan, UT

Cougars1: BYU is Utah's measuring stick when discussing sports with BYU fans. You have no basis for telling us BYU is better until the record proves so, and I believe that will take another 20 years of consistent victories. So, good luck with that.

Swoop
Salt Lake City, UT

Utefan4Lyf

"You have no basis for telling us BYU is better until the record proves so..."

5 of the last 8 seasons, BYU has finished with a better record and higher ranking than Utah.

BYU's record proves that BYU is better.

In fact, BYU has almost as many AP Top 25 finishes in the last 7 years (2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009), as Utah has in their ENTIRE HISTORY.

The overall record speaks for itself; Utah fans simply choose to ignore it - one game does not a season make.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Ute4life,

Once again you compare all things Utah to BYU. You have just measured Utah's success based on whether a Utah player is better than a BYU player.

Utefan4Lyf
West Jordan, UT

Cougars1: Tell me which individual player I was comparing. I was simply pointing out the following record:
56-34-4.
So, actually, you'll need 23 years of straight victories to be better than us. Until both schools play the same opponents each year, this is the only record that matters between the two schools.

That's A Good One
Salt Lake City, UT

Hank Pym: Did you pay attention to The HOF game last night? Did you notice that an undrafted Ute had 2 sacks? Shelby > Ansah.

LOL. That's a laugher. You do realize that was like a JV AAU game and the real players that actually played hardly even broke a sweat right Hank? Good for Shelby. > Ansah? That's a good one!

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