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Published: Saturday, Aug. 3 2013 8:13 p.m. MDT

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Balan
South Jordan, Utah

A couple of comments from a dyed-in-the-wool Cougar: #1) Yes, most Cougar fans would love to be invited to a major conference - but we haven't and possibly never will be. So we did the next best thing, which few schools could ever do, and went independent. It was the second best option and we jumped on it, and #2) Utah has "owned" BYU over the past decade or so. No argument from this Cougar fan.

Neither of these facts have anything to do with the topic at hand, however. My take on Utah is that they have bitten off a huge chunk by joining the PAC 12 and it will take them years and years, if ever, to be competitive on a regular basis. From the standpoint of geography alone, most football players would rather play in the warm weather of AZ or on the coast in CA, OR, or WA.

Utah, you got what you asked for so stop with the excuses, the "what-ifs", the whining, and the deflection of the topic at hand to a BYU hate-fest. If you can't handle the heat then don't read the articles.

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

@talkinsports..."LOL at the spin. U had a gift-wrapped PAC south there for the taking and U were dominated at home in the first half by a 10-loss team that hadn't won a road game in four years."

LOL at the spin the Y was dominated by a team that was dominated by 10 loss team in the first half 54 - 10 on their home field.

Sad you have to ride the coat tails of a 10 loss team because your team couldnt come within 44 points on their home field!

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

@ducky..."But please tell us, and try to do so rationally if possible, why utah will be any more than arizona has been? What advantages does utah have over arizona that should make us believe they will more successful than arizona has been?"

Please tell us why you care? As badly as the U dominates the Y if the cat's are equal to the utes that would mean their far greater than the Y. So I'm not sure why you care who's better out of Arizona and the Utes?

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

silent stalker

I guess it is time to remind the Utah faithful that one game does not a season make. Utah's big win over BYU was negated by Utah's ugly home loss to a 10-loss team that hadn't won a road game in four years.

Meanwhile, BYU finished with another 10-win season and another Top 25 ranking. A down season for BYU was better than all but 7 seasons in Utah history.

Bottom line:

#25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) BETTER THAN unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)

U finished the season beating the #56 team in overtime. BYU finished the season beating the #35 team in regulation, a team ranked HIGHER than Utah.

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WACpaddled

Baby steps:

Beat ranked teams. Not just one every so often.

Remind us how many ranked team the Utes have beaten in the last four years.

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gored

Rock is simply saying what many BYU fans have been saying for years, that it was far more likely that the Utes would end up more like Arizona (30 years in the conference and still no Rose Bowl), than like one of the big boys.

The Anti Chris
Eugene, OR

Utah should be so lucky to think they would be the next Arizona. Arizona at least is in the middle of the PAC. Utah will continue in their new role as the bottom feeders for many years to come. They may get a minor bowl invite every so often in the event the happen to get 6 wins again.
I love my independeence.

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

@kitsutsuki...."many more knowledgeable fans have pointed out that AZ and ASU have been members since the 70's - and how many Rose Bowl appearances do they have between them?"

"For Utah fans to expect anything else is laughable."

How many Rose bowl or any BCS bowl appearances for that matter does the Y have?

Not sure what you're trying to point out here? For the Y to expect anymore then the kraft fight nobody cares bowl is laughable.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteology

"Speaking SPIN, why didn't you call this out:

"The Cougars are coming off a great defensive year and a disappointing offensive year. It is hard to believe with all of the disappointment that the team was four plays away from a 12-1 season."

No need to call it out, it's true.

Without one bad snap, scoop and score, BYU beats Utah 21 to 17.
With one made block and a completed pass on the 2-point conversion, BYU beats BSU 8-7.
With one well-throw ball to a wide open Hoffman with nothing but green grass in front of him, BYU beats Notre Dame 21-17.
With one completed 6-yard pass on 2nd, 3rd or 4th down midway through the 4th quarter, BYU beats San Jose State 21-20.

BYU was literally 4 plays away from a 12-1 season and a legitimate shot at a BCS game in 2012.

Obviously, it didn't happen, but it's also obvious, that it was very possible.

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Meanwhile, 5 of Utah's 7 losses were by double-digits, and U only beat pathetic 11-loss Colorado by a touchdown.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

Are DuckHunter and Chris B. the same person? They sure sound like the same person bagging on the Cougars or the Utes in the same fashion. Perhaps it is time that DNews follows what many online papers do by requiring posters to be connected to Facebook and identifiable.

If I am not mistaken, teams like Washington State, Arizona State, Oregon State, Cal and Arizona (Half the original PAC12) have only played in the Rose Bowl one or two times apiece over the last forty years. The measuring stick of a successful year going forward for the Utes should be bowl eligibility, not winning the conference title. The Utes missed a bowl last year, and with the schedules going forward for the next four years are going to have a tremendous challenge getting six wins.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

2b

One game does not a season make. Most fans and poll voters are smart enough to figure out that BYU's 7-turnover meltdown against Utah, especially coming as it did so early in the season, was not a true indicator of the relative strength/weakness of either team.

As the season played out, it became obvious to everybody not living under that crimson bubble on the hill that BYU was MUCH better than their early September meltdown against Utah, and, that Utah wasn't nearly as good as their September win might have indicated.

Following their BYU win, the Utes lost 3 of their next 4 games, in ugly fashion, suffered that humiliating home loss to one of the worst teams in the country, and didn't beat another team with a winning record until their bowl game, which the Utes barely won in overtime.

Cougar_Independence
OMAHA, NE

[From the article] "Will those additions put the Utes in the Rose Bowl?

Right now they’d be happy to return to anyone’s bowl."

This empitimizes what the fans of the little school on the hill are feeling the last 9 months. Big brother went bowling, and little brother stayed home. Envy anyone?

Wally West
SLC, UT

To Duckhunter

No victim mode from me. Just a simple & accurate observation.

Don't believe me? Go back and research prior stories from outlets that aren't KSL or the DN.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteology

"Speaking SPIN, why didn't you call this out:

"The Cougars are coming off a great defensive year and a disappointing offensive year. It is hard to believe with all of the disappointment that the team was four plays away from a 12-1 season."

No need to call it out, it's true.

Without one bad snap, scoop and score, BYU beats Utah 21 to 17.

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Without a turnover by the punting team on our own 14 late in the 4th... the MUSS has no need to storm the field: Utah 14 BYU 10

Spin away, spin master.

clehman
Sandy, UT

@Duckhunter

"why utah will be any more than arizona has been? What advantages does utah have over arizona that should make us believe they will more successful than arizona has been?"

Because Arizona was never more than a mediocre football program even before they entered the Pac 10. Also, Arizona is not Utah. Who cares what took place at the U of A football program since 1978? Seriously.

For various reasons, they just haven't gotten it done. A football season is not played in a vacuum... meaning, that there are too many external factors to discuss over a 35 year period to explain Arizona's mediocrity in football. Some schools just never have good football teams.

How the Arizona football program's lack of great success projects anything about the U of U football program's future success is something that hasn't been remotely proven by Mr. Rock. A list of similarities doesn't prove anything.

It's just another article written by a smug journalist knowing that he'll get a thousand BYU trolls crowing and cuckling. By October, that crowing will be non-existent. If you want to mark Chris B.'s words on that, do so.

SportsFan
Orem, UT

Uteology

The outcomes of lots of games are decided on a single play or two.

You're the one who claimed that following statement is false...

"The Cougars are coming off a great defensive year and a disappointing offensive year. It is hard to believe with all of the disappointment that the team was four plays away from a 12-1 season."

Uteanymous proved that the statement is true with specific, verifiable evidence.

Nothing in your rebuttal proved otherwise.

Live with it!

SportsFan
Orem, UT

clehman

"How the Arizona football program's lack of great success projects anything about the U of U football program's future success is something that hasn't been remotely proven by Mr. Rock."

And, how Utah's MWC football success projects anything about Utah's future PAC success is also something that hasn't been remotely proven by of the hill dwellers.

What we do know is a Utah program that had dominated the Rocky Mountain and Skyline conferences (winning 20 championships in 51 seasons), virtually dropped of the map when they joined a more competitive conference (only winning 2 conference championships in 37 seasons).

gotta love how a simple question has sent Ute nation into a near panic attack of denial.

Utah is much more "like" Arizona than the Utes are willing to admit. Unfortunately for U, that "likeness" isn't the pretty picture Utah fans have been painting with their rosy predictions of the Utes being an instant Rose Bowl contenders.

sammyg
Springville, UT

Duckhunter

You forgot... Utah will always be a notch above Arizona because of the Trax and FrontRunner options. duh!

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Lets look at talent by the numbers:

NFL Talent:

USC 53
Oregon 39
Stanford 32
Utah 31

Mountainman56
Alpine, UT

Anyone with any amount of objectivity in looking at Utah's football future (and all sports for that matter) recognizes that the comparison with Arizona is spot on. I supported Utah 100% in their BCS bowls because it made the MWC and the state of Utah look good. It would be great if Utah could get to a Rose Bowl in the foreseeable future but the likelihood of that happening is slim to none. I can't come up with any scenario that would make me believe that Utah has any chance of beating out the top teams in the PAC 12 any time soon. If someone else out there has a logical and rational thesis on how Utah gets to the top of the PAC 12, I'd love to hear it.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

SportsFan
Orem, UT

Uteology

The outcomes of lots of games are decided on a single play or two.

You're the one who claimed that following statement is false...

"The Cougars are coming off a great defensive year and a disappointing offensive year. It is hard to believe with all of the disappointment that the team was four plays away from a 12-1 season."

Uteanymous proved that the statement is true with specific, verifiable evidence.

Nothing in your rebuttal proved otherwise.

Live with it!

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Here's more verifiable evidence that was left out in that statement. BYU was also ONE play from going 7-6:

"The Aggies (4-2) had a chance to tie the game with 7:47 left but Josh Thompson pulled a 38-yard field goal attempt wide left. The Aggies also are six points from being undefeated, having lost by two on the road to Wisconsin and now by three to the Cougars."

Yet BYU fans are here accusing Utah fans of making "excuses and whining". How ironic.

killarney
Lincoln Park, IL

"Could Utah football be the new Arizona?"

There's certainly no evidence to suggest otherwise.

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