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Published: Saturday, Aug. 3 2013 8:13 p.m. MDT

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mercyfulf8
gilbert, AZ

I think recruiting the same level of talent as all other PAC12 programs is more than relative. Just because every program recruits the same kind of talent doesn't mean the coaches can get the most out of the players they recruit. Utah has shown they are able to maximize the skills of the players they are able to recruit. Just look at Texas and the top 5 classes they bring in every year, but they continually have disappointing seasons.

ImaCaMan
Oceanside, CA

What kept Arizona out of the Rose Bowl several times was that they choked in their final game against ASU; their longtime old WAC rival. This had nothing to do with being in the PAC.

Utah will be just fine and that will be recognized starting this season. Not having a stable QB situation for four years would derail any program. I don't see that happening again.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

I'm pretty sure the reason for this article was to stir the pot a little and ruffle some feathers and promote readers...you know, something a good columnist like Brad Rock knows how to do.

In the end, his assessment is spot on...and even though I'm a Cougar fan, I really wish it wasn't the case that Utah is similar to AZ, Wazzu, and Colorado. I would actually like to see Utah rise to the top with the likes of USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, etc. but despite Chris Bs Alice in Wonderland view of things, how likely is it that Utah becomes a premier program in the PAC? Utah will get very similar talent and recruits to what AZ gets. They will get very similar coaching talent, with similar revenue and facilities.

A realistic ute fan knows all this, and understands the trade-off of being in a power conference...the wins, championships, and big bowl games will be much fewer and further between. Is that a fair trade off for great games against great opponents, and a 20 mil payday? Only ute fans can answer that question...Utah administrators already have when they decided to join.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@gored

Interesting how utah "fans" like yourself to not like reading critical analysis of their team and its prospects. Rock makes some really good comparisons here and asks some legitimate questions.

But please tell us, and try to do so rationally if possible, why utah will be any more than arizona has been? What advantages does utah have over arizona that should make us believe they will more successful than arizona has been?

clehman
Sandy, UT

Congratulations, Brad. You served up an article tailor made for the BYU trolls.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@clehman

If you mean an article asking legitimate questions then sure. What a strange mindset utah "fans" have, never wanting to study the issues, never wanting to face reality, never wanting to think about the truth. You know it isn't all wine and roses, especially not the roses part. I wonder if utah "fans" can handle what's to come emotionally if an article that ask's legitimate questions is more than they can handle.

Wally West
SLC, UT

re: GoRed

Agreed. Though, the Utes have never been thought of highly by the SLC sports media (notice I did not say journalists) which is full of byu homers & jazz apologists.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@wally west

I like how a single article asking legitimate questions sends utah "fans" into victim mode. LOL!

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Could Utah football be the new Arizona?

Arizona was 5-7 and 6-5-1 with Fiesta Bowl (11-12-1 45%) in their first 2 seasons in PAC-10 and Utah 8-5 and 5-7 (13-12 52%) with Sun Bowl.

According to Scots Utah’s average class rank is #7 in the PAC-12, Arizona is #9. Overall class rankings Utah was 39, 33, 54 and Arizona 70, 46, 27. And this with only 3 seasons of BCS level recruiting compared to 35 years for Arizona.

Arizona has 20 players in the NFL? So what? Oregon has 39 players and Utah has 31 players mostly MWC talent.

Conclusion, sample size is too small in order to determine any correlation between Utah to Arizona.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

CougFaninTX "will Erickson bring innovation"
The bigger question is "will Whittingham bring innovation"? The knock on Whitt is he is a local coach who doesn't know a lot of coaches outside of Utah. For Utah to compete in the long run they may have to replace Whittingham, which is a shame because few programs show dedication to coaches anymore.

"I'm glad so many Ute commenters define a successful season as a win against BYU".
I've never seen a Ute fan make that comment. I don't consider the BYU game an indication of success. It is fun to watch, but nonconference has little bearing on Utah's season. As Utah improves in recruiting, Utah should beat BYU more often than not.

For BYU, the Utah game is a gauge for "are we getting better?" They go to the same bowl game if they're 6-6 or 11-1. Rankings mean nothing if you're not in the top 10 at the end of the regular season. BYU plays different teams every year, so you're left with the Utah game, and BYU hasn't beaten them since going independent. That worries Cougar fans, because it shows they aren't getting better.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

talkinsports

christy

"Our FIRST year in the league we were one field goal away from the PAC 12 tilt game with rose bowl on the line."

LOL at the spin.

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Speaking SPIN, why didn't you call this out:

"The Cougars are coming off a great defensive year and a disappointing offensive year. It is hard to believe with all of the disappointment that the team was four plays away from a 12-1 season." -- Deseret News

Actually, BYU while trailing the entire game was one missed field goal AND an overtime away from going 11-2.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

What does ESPN think about the current Utah program? Could Utah football be the new Arizona? According to ESPN and not some BYU homer:

If this were a five-year projection, I think the Utes would be higher. But I also think they need to go through at least a full class cycle before they can really start climbing the Pac-12 hierarchy.

Our preseason hype last season was misguided, and the Utes' lack of depth was exposed. It takes time to build not only a starting lineup that can win in the Pac-12, but also the depth behind those starters. The facility upgrades are a good step in the right direction.

Pendergast
Salt Lake City, UT

to ThomasJefferson

If you are a Husker fan why do you care? Taylor Martinez < Scott Frost.

A more apt comparison would be U to UNC (not UAz) as BYU is to Duke. Hint... close proximity, snobby private school, etc...

GK Willington
Salt Lake City, UT

to CougFaninTX

What Erickson will bring is simplification. The Utes w/ substandard QB play were trying to run the WCO, spread option, & pro style.

The Utes O will have the Joe Gibbs Redskins personnel with the capability for the zone read option i.e. Seahawks

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Duckhunter

"I like how a single article asking legitimate questions sends utah "fans" into victim mode. LOL!"

Yeah, and we certainly never see you and your cougar brethren do this. Laughing quietly.

GoRed
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

@ducky

Interesting how byu "fans" like yourself are quick to jump onto any article that might disparage the Utes. But that is the intent of Rock's argument, so I guess he succeeded.

As for your comment of "critical analysis of (the Utes') team and their prospects," it is NOT a critical analysis. It is merely a slanted opinion, similar to yours. For that matter, the article could compare byu with Army, a similar independent team, and rail against them and their very slim chances of ever making it into a BCS bowl, basing the argument that because Army hasn't been to a BCS bowl, then neither will byu.

Hopefully you see the fallacies in Rock's and your argument.

Lloyd Christmas
Salt Lake City, UT

Utes: What do you think the chances are of a guy like you and a girl like me... ending up together?
Rose Bowl: Well, Lloyd, that's difficult to say. I mean, we don't really...
Utes: Hit me with it! Just give it to me straight! I came a long way just to see you, Pasadena. The least you can do is level with me. What are my chances?
Rose Bowl: Not good.
Utes: You mean, not good like one out of a hundred?
Rose Bowl: I'd say more like one out of a million.
[pause]
Utes: So you're telling me there's a chance... *YEAH!*

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Uteology,

I too think the sample size is too small to come to any kind of a conclusion. Just as it is with BYU and Independence.

However, this is a critical year for both programs. If they struggle, then you will see a trend start that could spin out of control quickly. The newness of the PAC will wear off quickly for recruits if the losing continues. Which is exactly why Arizona has struggled.

When the water starts swirling down the drain, sometimes it is very hard to stop. I hope Utah and BYU can stop it before it even starts. It will be harder for Utah though because of that SOS that Utah fans like to point to so often.

kitsutsuki
South Jordan, Utah

Doesn't this article simply state the obvious? Ever since Utah was invited to the PAC11+u and Utah fans have been shooting their mouths off, many more knowledgeable fans have pointed out that AZ and ASU have been members since the 70's - and how many Rose Bowl appearances do they have between them?

For Utah fans to expect anything else is laughable.

That's A Good One
Salt Lake City, UT

Brad Rock: Could Utah football be the new Arizona?

That caption is rhetorical, right?

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