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Published: Sunday, Aug. 4 2013 12:17 a.m. MDT

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Grannilo
Pensacola, FL

I logged in to read comments about new film and all I have seen is a lot of unrelated and unnecessary debate and fault finding.

MHBSaltLakeCity
West Valley City, UT

There are many reasons why the information is kept in the temple. The most important is the more you know the more you are accountable for. It is darning to not meet the requirements of the temple, but to know what goes on. If you aren't living the requirements and you know what goes on you will be held accountable for it. The more you know the more you will be judged based on what you know and so ignorance is bliss phrase is applicable here.

Another reason is the information learned is high level and its like Calculus level math. You don't introduce calculus info to an elementary level normal kid they won't be able to understand/comprehend the calculus without prior education. Members of the church are given the education needed so they can understand what is taught in the temple, and even then it is hard for some members to understand. To give the information to people with prior education and say do this calculus test you won't be able to understand. Join and learn what you can so you can understand the temple teachings! So if you want to know join.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

"Preparation for the ordinances includes preliminary steps: faith, repentance, baptism, confirmation, worthiness, a maturity and dignity worthy of one who comes invited as a guest into the house of the Lord."

And here, after all, is the crux of the issue: Mormons think me and people like me are too "unworthy, immature, and undignified" for god's tastes.

Need any more be said?

MHBSaltLakeCity
West Valley City, UT

@atl134
"You want to know why people have issues with proxy baptisms? It's because you think someone like my grandmother weren't good enough. That her life, her actions, her faith, her baptism in the Catholic church, Christ's sacrifice... all of it is insufficient to you."
There only two possible true Christian churches Catholics or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. If LDS is true then that means Baptism needs to be done by someone with proper authority they must have the Priesthood power. That means any baptism by other churches is invalid. An ice cream truck driver can't marry you and your wife because he doesn't have the authority to do it. It requires a judge or a priest/bishop or other religious head to marry you. So baptism without proper authority (Priesthood) is therefore not valid. 1 CORINTHIANS 15:29 "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?" The bible shows proof of baptisms for the dead above.

If we are not true than there is nothing to worry about.

MovieMaker
Columbus, GA

The temple covenants are the "meat" of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Perhaps this is what Paul was going to give to the people of Corinth when he found that they were not yet ready. Not that they were not good people, but that they simply were not yet prepared for the higher teachings of the Savior. So he wrote to them: 1 Corinthians 3:2.
"And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able."
It's obvious that many of those posting comments here are still "babes" regarding spiritual things and therefore not ready to learn about the "graduate level" Christianity found in LDS temples. Babes are not bad - in fact they are wonderfully innocent. But they have limited expeerience and understanding and are not ready for "meat". No matter how much they demand it.

mattrick78
Cedar City, UT

" Mormons think me and people like me are too "unworthy, immature, and undignified" for god's tastes"

A Scientist, nothing could be more further from the truth. But something tells me that you already know that.

Trevor A
Roosevelt, UT

What goes in in Mormon temples? There are quite a few worthwhile links on lds.org if you want to search them. I tried posting them here, but the site would not allow it.

As an analogy: Just as advanced calculus would not make sense to a freshman in college who has not taken and mastered Algebra and , the temple ceremony is reserved for those who have made previous covenants with God and now desire to learn more of his ways, make higher covenants, and draw nearer to him. To path is clear as stated by Daughter of G-d, and that path will not change.

Pablito
South Jordan, UT

Lovely thread going on here.
Now, comparisons are used so you can relate...somehow.
Have you seen inside of presidents office? No? Because you don't have sufficient access? Bummer.
I work at a place that only people with special permissions can enter. Namely badged employees. I can get into the manufacturing part of the building but other employees can't. Why? We are all employees! Maybe they're "'unworthy, immature, and undignified' for the owners tastes"? Not at all. I've had the proper training and have been prepared to do so. If you haven't had that training, you shouldn't enter that portion of the building. I'm not going to tell you what happens in there in detail because I said I wouldn't and could lose my job if I do but I can show you brochures prepared by the company.
Until you've had the proper training and met the guidelines set by God to enter the temple, you won't get in. I can't tell you what goes on in there because I promised I wouldn't. I can direct you to the church's websites.
See the parallels?

Whos Life RU Living?
Ogden, UT

I hate to inform some of the readers on here, but the LDS church does not have a monopoly on families. Other religions and non religions do believe in families, some may even focus more on the family. Don't let others fool you, families are forever no matter what. They are forever in existence and forever in non existence.

johnnylingo62
Gray, TN

jeanie, that was a wonderful comment about how God "can change methods to teach the same principles".
I think Jesus used several different parables to teach the same principle while he taught on the earth. He also taught "don't cast your pearls before swine", and "he that hath ears, let him hear". Paul taught "milk before meat". Until one is ready to FULLY understand the deeper meanings of the gospel, it is best to use an appropriate message that a foundation can be built, faith can be exercised, and then the building can be built that will not fall and you will be able to see from a different vantage point as that building continues to be erected higher and higher, with each level providing a better view (increased understanding) and Spirit is able to commune with you according to your faith and dedication to the deeper covenants that are available. Isaiah taught "Line upon line, precept upon precept."

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@MHBSaltLakeCity
"There only two possible true Christian churches Catholics or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints."

Why does the "true" church even have to be around right now anyway? Even with LDS belief there was around a 1000 year stretch where such a church didn't exist until the restoration. I don't see why we should assume there is a true church on the planet right now, let alone that it must be one of these two.

"If we are not true than there is nothing to worry about."

Of course, but there would still be the matter of someone implicitly slighting the faith of another which is still considered rude to a large segment of the population (particularly members of Christian faiths being deemed invalid, maybe that's why my atheist dad was the only one in my family to not mind the idea of proxy baptisms). That was my point.

Embermyst
Dayton, OH

Let's consider the very nature of what is considered scared by the Lord. It is by no means meant to be secret but rather protected for the eternal safety of the ones receiving the ordinance and those who are not yet ready. The Lord has prescribed the manner in which one prepares themselves for adding to their eternal knowledge. Those who have become acquainted with the Spirit and are humble to receive His ordinances by living His standards are considered ready. Even during the ordinances, people are warned that these things are very sacred and are not to be treated lightly. It is not that nothing else is sacred, but rather it is the MOST sacred thing available to mankind. This is precious knowledge that is given to those who are willing to do what it takes to follow the Lord and keep His commandments as He has established them.

Embermyst
Dayton, OH

What is most important to remember is that in every ordinance, blessings, responsibilities, and consequences are attached. If one who doesn't hold the ordinances received sacred, they are liable to the eternal consequences because they did not keep their end of the promise. A covenant is a strong, binding promise made between the Lord and His children. If the Latter-day Saint Church were to openly allow anyone to partake when they are not spiritually prepared, those individuals would suffer eternal consequences that Lord has prescribed for that ordinance. It is for the protection of all to keep these things sacred according to His will. How fair would it be to allow so many to go through that? It is not fair at all. So the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints maintains the standards of worthiness to enter the temple so that those who make these covenants at least understand the depth of what kind of covenants they are making and are fully prepared to take on that kind of responsibility.

Samson01
S. Jordan, UT

Re: Brother Benjamin Franklin

My respect for you just grew three sizes.

Strive to be Better
Herriman, UT

Brother Benjamin....

The Church is not evasive.... There are certain things in life that are sacred and we believe what goes on in the temple is one of those things and should not be discussed (even amongst ourselves) outside the temples. We believe temples to be the house of the Lord and all are welcome to attend and participate. However, Unlike chapels, a certain level of obedience and worthiness is required to enter. Evidently it is too difficult for people such as yourself to respect this and trust what we communicate.

Prior to entering the temple an understanding and testimony of the Gospel and its teachings is required. Once a person has this, the joy can be un-measureable (if that is a word).

Wanting to know what goes on and what the temple ordinances are all about just to know is not reason enough. There are many members of the church who have not yet been able to attend the temple. They know very little if anything more than what you know.

Anytime someone says, I think... or in my opinion... or I heard.... it is just that.. an idea, an opinion or gossip.

elliottpj
Two Rivers, WI

No one has ever explained to me how the temple draws people to Christ. I was a member of the Church for many years and I never had a burning desire to go to the temple. They were just beautiful buildings to me. I still love the the LDS faith, but I will never understand it fully, and I'm tired of trying to sort through all the misinformation and confusion. I'm sure those of you who love the temple will always judge those of us who just don't get it. I get that. Whether sacred or secret, it still is all rather strange to those of us who didn't grew up LDS, just as you all think we Catholics are rather peculiar people too.

Riccar
Moses Lake, WA

For those people that question the privacy placed around temple worship, I might just ask you to look at your Old Testament. Sacred temple worship has been around for thousands of years. It is not new with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Study your Bible a bit and you will find that ancient temples were most sacred and that only certain people were allowed to participate.

Strive to be Better
Herriman, UT

Trying to convince someone who has posted here anything contrary to what they have stated or written is not worth the time..

The are always going to be people with mis-guided opinions and feelings toward something they either don't understand or don't agree with. It bothers some people to not know what other do...

Also, anyone that puts all their trust in what they read or find on the internet is in for a rude awakening someday... Unless you believe the car commercial when it says "Everything on the internet is true"... because the internet say it is !!

Just think... why would anyone that has good feelings about any subject write derogatory comments on the internet... If you read something about the temple ceremonies or what "goes on" in the temple that is not to be shared.... why do you think it is being shared ? Because that person either has no idea what he / she is talking about, is posting what he / she heard or even worse is bitter and upset with the church and its teachings. Any of which would concern me.

Everyone can have an opinion or idea... but that is all they are...

Carl G
Chicago, IL

Daugher of G-d,

Sorry to be a Grammar Cop: The word you obviously meant was "prescribed": To establish rules, laws, or directions.
"Proscribed" is very different: To denounce, condemn, prohibit; forbid.

Bro. Ben and others seem already eager enough to misunderstand and deride.

Strive to be Better
Herriman, UT

Hey Elliottpj..

Anyone who judges you period.... doesn't get it. Whether LDS or not....If they are judging you then they are worse off than you are. We are all equals in the eyes of God.... We don't have the right to judge anyone. if we do.. we will be accountable...

But you said it well... you don't understand the purpose of the temple... you don't understand the teachings and principles... but you don't as a result judge other members of the LDS faith.

I would hope that someday you would get it and be able to understand and enjoy the temple... but if not... It doesn't mean you are not a good person or deserving of the Lords blessings / assistance...

One of the challenges we have in life is judging something by its participants. I am a long time member of the LDS faith and do attend the temple regularly.. but if I allowed the actions of other members to affect my activity, participation and belief structure.......I would be in bad shape. I believe in the teaching and doctrines of the church...I worship Jesus Christ.. not other members...

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