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Published: Sunday, Aug. 4 2013 12:17 a.m. MDT

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Anonyme
Orem, UT

Brother Ben, I'm sorry you didn't find the answers you were looking for at mormon.org. There is even more information at lds.org under Resources, and then Temples. Perhaps then you will understand why the Church doesn't provide the "in-depth information" you're asking for.

Christopher B., many places can be considered sacred. To the LDS, our chapels and even our homes are sacred. We recognize the sanctity of places of worship of other faiths. But the temple has a unique purpose and function from all other religious buildings. It is the most sacred place, for us, on earth, and we believe God has set the requirements for who may enter it. I think you understand the difference between trying to "hide such things" and keeping them sacred.

roberto
Moses Lake, WA

I thought the film was GREAT

Anonyme
Orem, UT

From the October 2010 Ensign special issue on temples, probably available at LDS distribution centers: "The designation of certain buildings for special ordinances, as distinguished from regular places of worship, is not new. This was the practice in ancient Israel, where the people worshipped regularly in synagogues. Their most sacred place was, first, the tabernacle in the wilderness with its Holy of Holies, and then a succession of temples, where special ordinances were performed and where only those who met the required qualifications could participate in these ordinances.

"So it is today. When [the temple] is dedicated it becomes the house of the Lord, vested with a character so sacred that only members of the Church in good standing are permitted to enter. It is not a matter of secrecy. It is a matter of sanctity" (Gordon B. Hinckley).

terlds
Ogden, UT

Chris B & Brother Ben,
Would you want people to know every detail that goes on in your bedroom? I would hope not. There are just some things that are too personal to share with just anybody. I am sorry you feel that the LDS church is hiding things from you. As was mentioned before, not even every member can attend the temple.It is reserved for those who are ready. Would you teach a two year old advanced Algebra? I don't think so. They are not ready for that. The temple is the same concept.

jeanie
orem, UT

Christopher B.
"Overnight" is likely not a good characterization. Children don't change overnight, but at some point a parent has to make adjustments. I don't know the mind of God but, yes, the cultural climate changed, people changed with it and I believe that's why adjustments were made. This is the beauty of having a living prophet who can guide according to current times.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Christopher B
"Scientist,

What penalties?"

How to put this in a way that answers the question that would be allowed and fair and respectful... you know how children have that phrase when making promises that goes "cross my heart, hope to die"? It was kinda like that. Nobody ever actually was killed or injured in any way over breaking that promise not to disclose the particular information. Church standing and what they thought of with regards to eternal standing well... that's a different matter.

ShortGuy
West Jordan, UT

@ Brother Ben:

Can I have your social security number? I promise I won't do anything bad with it.

sammyg
Springville, UT

Chris B

Knowing that you're Catholic...

Why doesn't the pope open up every thing in the Vatican?
Why the secrecy when a pope is selected?

Why Chris... Why?

From Ted's Head
Orem, UT

One basic premise: Did God reveal to man the rites found in LDS Temples, including the various modifications made over the past 180 or so years? If your answer is yes, then it's quite easy to go with the idea that with said knowledge obtained in LDS temples comes associated responsibilities and accountability, with the understanding that a loving God would not burden someone with an accountability that they were not ready for. If your answer is no, Joseph Smith made up the whole thing with a generous borrow from the Masons, and subsequent LDS Church leaders have changed it as part of some grand fraud being perpetrated on LDS Church members, then you likely find the whole sacredness issue odd to say the least. Certainly it's only a matter of time before the geniuses behind the Book of Mormon play or others of a similar mindset, bring the LDS temple ceremony out into the open to mock and make a buck. It won't change that while standing on what they believe is hallowed ground, LDS Church members make what they believe are sacred covenants with their God in perhaps the most important acts of their lives.

rgo
beverly hills, CA

Humors to read/hear the "unfairness" or demand of special privileges, new rules/guidelines because selfishly they want something others have to pay or obey to have. Why someone demands entrance to a LDS temple based on "their" rules is absurd. Logic dictates... you will not respect it as the MILLIONS who do abide THE agreed to guidelines. It's a very selfish, self-serving, egocentric, etc... request.

The principle of entrance to this building is a universal principle (definition for dummies): "No shirt, no service."
ie: Visiting Rome, I was wearing shorts the day we went to the Vatican, I was not allowed in St. Peter's. "No shorts" is one of the guidelines... is that UN-Christian? Is that bizarre? Is that unlawful? Non-religious? Why can't I go into the Enclave when the Cardinals debate and vote? School, restaurants, ie: "no shirt, no entrance..." So what did I do, complain to everyone? No one cared who were walking in freely because they all were observing the rules. I went back to the hotel and changed. I was graciously and happily allowed to enter. Shocking, I adhered to their rules.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

Lots of cultures have sacred knowledge that is not open to outsiders or those within the culture who have not been properly initiated. About 20 years ago an anthropologist came to the UofU and spike on sacred Navajo practices amd beliefs. Native Americans who attended the lecture wrote that they felt physicslly ill to hear him talk about things that were absolutely sacred to them. My Navajo friend who was LDS told me,"How would you feel if someone talked about the temple ceremony?"
I have run across sacred chants in old archives which, in earlier times, were sacred in certain cultures and out of respect, I don't circulate or post them. It is tapu - sacred.
The view in some cultures is if someone gets sacred knowledge without being properly prepared 1) it won't help them because they won't understand and 2) it may even harm them. I recognize the same thing in Mormon culture, There are tests of worthiness to get a temple recommend. This i s how someone prepares themselves so they will be ready to learn when they enter the temple.

zoar63
Mesa, AZ

@A Scientist

"For most of Church history, temple patrons were essentially threatened with "penalties" if they revealed temple rites."

Actually that is not the case. It was more like if a soldier was captured by the enemy he would suffer death rather than reveal information. There never was a threat.

Warren Zeigler
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

In today's world even the name of God is used casually and as a very common curse. All things from and about God are sacred. Part of becoming like him is to keep such things sacred in our minds and souls. Also, as Jesus taught right after appearing to the Nephites in 3 Nephi 11, He is come, then and now, to eliminate contention on points of His teachings. If we cannot even avoid taking His name in vain, as per the 10 commandments, why should He open other sacred things for debate and debasement? All things pertaining to salvation are taught. Everything about entering into the gate is open. Many other things along the path are not. Jesus used parables to avoid damaging and damning the souls of those not ready for advanced concepts. His teachings in the Temples are just another example of this concept. One thing at a time for everything. Line upon line, as Isaiah wrote.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Jeff,“Excuse us, please, if you ask for "some info from a Mormon," and we decline to give the "info" you want, because it's clear from what you say that you would have no intention of respecting the info we gave you.” True,

Joseph Smith, ”These sacrifices, as well as every ordinance belonging to the Priesthood, will, when the Temple of the Lord shall be built, and the sons of Levi be purified, be fully restored and attended to in all their powers, ramifications, and blessings. This ever did and ever will exist when the powers of the Melchizedek Priesthood are sufficiently manifest; else how can the restitution of all things spoken of by the Holy Prophets be brought to pass. It is not to be understood that the law of Moses will be established again with all its rites and variety of ceremonies; this has never been spoken of by the prophets; but those things which existed prior o Moses' day, namely, sacrifice, will be continued (HofC v. 4 p. 211-21)

I said nothing in Secret.(John 18:20 NIV)

Cris B.
Sandy, UT

Sammy, the pope should not hide anything. You mistakenly assume because I am catholic I support everything the Catholic Church does. I don't.

Swing and a miss for ya there Sammy.

No, I don't blindly follow

I think truth, if it is truth, should be open and shared

zoar63
Mesa, AZ

@From Teds Head

"Certainly it's only a matter of time before the geniuses behind the Book of Mormon play or others of a similar mindset, bring the LDS temple ceremony out into the open to mock and make a buck."

They already did it in Big Love. Now Big Love is just a footnote in entertainment history and the Church is still intact despite Big Loves insensitivities. I did notice after that episode aired, nobody really cared. If the writers thought they were going to shock the world they were probably terribly disappointed. And the BOM Broadway play after a few years will also become a footnote but the Book of Mormon will still survive.

Carolina Blue
Fayettevill, NC

I can understand the criticism that basically goes "If the church wants to grow in the 21st century, they should be more transparent". Indeed, the church has, over the last two decades, made more historical artifacts available than ever before.

However, when it comes to being transparent about temple activities, there should be parity in this demand. If individuals outside the church demand the church be more open about what goes on in the temple, they should first appreciate what church members demand, which is respect for sacred matters. I sincerely doubt that such respect would be garnered from making a temple video public.

Transparency is mutually beneficial up to a very clear point.

SWilk
Milwaukee, WI

@Brother Benjamin, long post = more than one comment:

I relate to you. I enjoy learning as much as possible about things that are important to good people and, from what you have written, it sounds like you want to know more about temple rituals in order to glean whatever goodness you can from them. From your posts, I feel very comfortable giving you the benefit of the doubt and I think that desire is noble.

As a Christian, you undoubtedly know about the Mount of Transfiguration. It was a spectacular and (dare I use the word in this tread?) sacred event, a grand exercise of heavenly, Priesthood authority. Upon the Mount the heavens and the earth connected, the Divine and the mortal met. In discussion with the Lord about the event on the way back to the other apostles, something intriguing happens: Christ bars what they may say about it. "And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead." (Matt. 17:9) NO man? Not even the other apostles? No.

SWilk
Milwaukee, WI

@Brother Benjamin 2/2:

Imagine the conversation between the three and one of the other nine. "James, you all looked so moved when you came down the mountainside. You were happy, but quiet and reflective. What happened up there?"

"I'm sorry Thomas, the Lord has told me not to tell you yet."

"But please James, it must have been incredible judging by how you looked when you came down. Tell me just a bit; just explain what happened—you don't even have to go into too much detail."

"I'm sorry Thomas, I cannot."

It took faith to trust that Christ was right.

Brother Benjamin, one day perhaps you will learn in great detail all that happens in and is associated with temple worship. May I suggest that, like the apostles of old, the best way to learn about sacred things that He, the Lord, has explicitly told us not to share, is to faithfully follow Him. He will prepare you. Perhaps that is why we do not share much about temple worship: it is not ours to share, for it belongs to Christ. Continue coming to Him and He will share it with you when and how He wants.

CA. reader
Rocklin, CA

I wonder where some of you folks get your info. I have been attending the temple for 42 years. As of yet, I have not heard one single utterance from any Church leader, from Salt Lake or anywhere else, that had any appearance of a threat. Using a "threat" in conjunction with what we consider to be most sacred would be to demean the temple to say the least.

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