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Published: Sunday, Aug. 4 2013 5:00 a.m. MDT

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george of the jungle
goshen, UT

No man knows my history. You can believe what you want to believe

G L W8
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Since this article was just posted this morning, no comments have been posted as of this five minutes. But I suspect they soon will follow, both positive and negative. To those who tend to make light of anything LDS, I would encourage you to give the story of Mormon a chance. Even if you reject it as portrayed by the Book of Mormon story, it's at least a very exciting story of human courage in the face of adversity, as outlined by Keith Schofield. Please don't reject it because you believe it's in a taboo or evil book that no one should ever read. Nothing could be further from the truth.

BenTen
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

How is this news? Isn't this what the church magazines and Church News are for?

A Scientist
Provo, UT

G L W8 wrote:

"I would encourage you to give the story of Mormon a chance. Even if you reject it as portrayed by the Book of Mormon story, it's at least a very exciting story of human courage in the face of adversity, as outlined by Keith Schofield. Please don't reject it because you believe it's in a taboo or evil book that no one should ever read. Nothing could be further from the truth."

I have read the BOM numerous times, and prayed and fasted about it - all the "Moroni's Promise" things. And I have concluded that it is not "true".

This does not mean it is "taboo or evil" - really? How superstitious a person must be to think of any book in those terms.

That the story of Mormon is "very exciting and courageous" does not make it true. Literary fiction is filled with exciting and courageous stories. Consider how exciting and courageous are the stories written by L. Ron Hubbard! Are you willing to take your own advice and read Hubbard's writings? And then join Scientology?

ute alumni
paradise, UT

Thanks george for letting me believe what I want to believe. Very kind of you

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

There are good points in this article which is very appropriate to the "Faith" section, and on a Sunday when many will have additional time to reflect.

The book is not, as many have said, a history of about 1,000 years; that is only the history of the Nephites. The history of the Jaredites, up until the children of Lehi arrived in the Americas, extends the history to about 2,700 years. Prophecies give perspective of the future of humanity after that time. It is a remarkable book.

The greatest value of the book to me is in the editorial comments of Moroni, and other sections which give true meaning to history. It lays out historical patterns; history is not a march of progress as some have claimed but of cycles controlled by the people of various lands. History is not "accidental" as many historians once fashionably claimed. It has deep meaning. It selectivity reflects the conditions of our times both in the nations and in the Church.

Another Perspective
Bountiful, UT

Indeed a great man but one with karma to satisfy which explains his getting killed by the Lamanites.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

No man knows my history? How about this?

Joseph of Egypt
King David
Judas
Mormon
Joseph Smith

If this doesn't quite make sense read the book of Judas which has recently been discovered.

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

The BOM may be many things, but it is doubtful that it is history. Presently there is not one iota of evidence of it being a physical truth. Perhaps others can make a case for it being a truth of a different nature.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

Correction:

In my former comments on this thread I should have referred to "the editorial comments of Mormon" (not Moroni) who selected and collated many records and gave them meaning by pointing out the rules of history and connecting the four different records.

I thought, at my first cursory glances of Book of Mormon content, that it was an odd sort of history, because I was told that the "American Indians" came from Israel. It seemed a strange thing to say since I thought of "Indians" as near naked tribesmen with painted faces, not people with a history of revelation and a strict moral code.

I since came to read the words of William Penn, who wrote of the similarity of the physiognomony of the Jews and the American natives, and those of George Caitlin (who produced prolific portraits of native Americans) and the explorer Kingsbury on the same subject, all three identifying native Americans as of that origin. Numerous cultural similarities and archaeological evidences further gave credence to the book's historicity.

Yet it is not really for those reasons that I have a testimony of the Book of Mormon

Hold on a second
Spring City, UT

Only the Lord knows the thoughts and intents of our hearts. So it is not for us to judge others if they don't receive the same answers we may receive. For me, I could never deny my testimony of the Book of Mormon or Joseph Smith. I fasted for three days, and was feeling well enough to continue fasting until I received the answers I was seeking. And I believe the Lord knew that.

The greatest message I receive from Mormon and Moroni is that the Book of Mormon was and is for our day. They saw us and warned us of the wickedness of our times. The Book of Mormon is the greatest witness we have that another apostasy will occur in our time. As we read the parable of the olive tree, particularly in the Book of Mormon, we realize that in the latter days, the gospel will be taken from the gentiles (that’s us) and given back to Israel.

Bob A. Bohey
Marlborough, MA

@Gildas: Your post and others are very puzzling to me. As far as I can determine there is no independent verification of the existence of the Jaredites, Nephites, Laminites(sp?), Lehi and his children outside of the Mormon religion.

1aggie
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

A couple historical points:

To Gilda's:

DNA testing has shown that the American Indians came from Asia, not Israel.

To the author of this piece:

Historians now say JS did not "translate" most of the ancient text into the B of M, but rather saw the words in English (in a seer stone) and dictated the English words he saw.

G L W8
SPRINGVILLE, UT

BTW: the idea that the Book of Mormon is "taboo or evil", is not my superstition. It's a fairly common reason given by those who fear to read the book. I've had friends who feared to even handle it for fear it would somehow curse them. Now, that's superstition!
As to the criticism of those who say our spiritual experiences (LDS would talk in terms of witness of the Holy Ghost per Moroni 10:4) are had by credulous, unthinking, superstitious people, the spectrum of belief is too wide-spread for that: all the way from young children to believing scientists, educators, people of all walks of life. I had my first very real experience shortly around the time following my baptism at age 8. This is the wrong place for details, but I can clearly state that it came from completely outside my own mental processes--a very spiritually observable experience. Young children can have God-given answers.

JoeCoug
OREM, UT

I would just add to the discussion this: I was baptized a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in my 16th year. I have enjoyed reading and studying the Book of Mormon now for 35 years and, by doing so with a desire to be the best person I can, have been blessed with a multitude of spiritual confirmations that it was written and compiled for me and others of these days. Most special to me is the account of the visits Jesus Christ made to the people on this continent who survived the destruction incident to his death and resurrection.

I am grateful for this, and strive to let these precious scriptures and experiences motivate me to forget myself and serve others. I completely respect the dissenting opinions, and can only say what I've experienced (and not disagree with you because I walk by faith). I appreciate the opportunity to express my experience and opinion in this forum.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

Of the origin of the native American:

For their original, I am ready to believe them of the Jewish race, I mean of the stock of the ten tribes, and that for the following reasons: first, they were to go to a land not planted nor known.... In the next place, I find them of the like countenance, and their children of so lively resemblance, that a man would think himself in Duke's Place or Berry Street in London, when he seeth them. But this is not all: they agree in rites; they reckon by moons; they offer their first fruits; they have a kind of feast of tabernacles; they are said to lay their altar upon twelve stones; their mourning a year; customs of women; with many other things that do not now occur.

William Penn, in a letter written in August or September of 1683

sharrona
layton, UT

“ Eternal perspective ,"The promise of the Book of Mormon requires several key ingredients stated in Moroni 10 verses 3-5. These include “Ask of God” (a) In the name of Jesus Christ (i.e. know whom you pray to and in whose name),”

Moroni 10: A testimony of the Book of Mormon comes by the power of the Holy Ghost—The gifts of the Spirit are dispensed to the faithful—Spiritual gifts always accompany faith ,“Moroni’s words speak from the Dust.”

…. and your speech shall be low out of the dust, and your voice shall be, as of one that has a” Familiar Spirit”* out of the ground, and your speech shall whisper out of the Dust(Is 29:4) *ghost conjured up from the grave,(NLT)

Regard not them that have “familiar spirits”, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I [am] the LORD your God.( Deut 19:31.)

if they preach a different Jesus(exalted man) than the one we preach, or a different kind of Spirit(familiar) than the one you received…(2 Cor 11:4).

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

the truth

You honestly think that because somebody got a different answer then you that they are wrong? Did you ever think that maybe your answer is wrong? I too have recieved an answer that it was false. It was very powerful, and unquestionable. Maybe the 99.5% of the world that isn't mormon got the wrong answer too?

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

All religion is about is feelings. If it makes you feel good and behave in a proper manner, then that is probably the right thing for you . But if it makes you feel good and act like a fool, then that isn't cool.

laVerl 09
St Johns, AZ

I appreciate this article because Mormon's son Moroni is the one who has stood in the limelight of modern history as the one who appeared to Joseph Smith and showed him where to find the plates. As an English major, I can appreciate the great responsibility Mormon must have felt as he summarized a thousand years of religious writings into one book, knowing that the testimonies of an entire future dispensation would be affected. AND the results of his efforts have been absolutely marvelous to us hundreds of years later. Jesus really IS my Savior just as the Bible says!

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