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Published: Friday, Aug. 2 2013 12:25 p.m. MDT

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

The problem with a total out-right no questions asked late term ban is that it would criminalize a doctor and the woman for both emergency delivery procedures to save the life of the woman, and Dilation (or dilatation) and curettage (D&C) procedures for stillborns.

These All-or-Nothing bumper-sticker slogans to energize the radicals needs to account for some common Medical sense.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

So much for this being a "war on women" when 50% of the lives saved by preventing abortion are females.

Can't think of a cause that saves more women's lives than this.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Take a deep breath. As Reid says, this is a fringe issue because it almost never happens, and when it does it's because of some lethal complication. States can already ban abortions after the 12th week. Gosnell was convicted of murder on such grounds, wasn't he? So why do we need more federal legislation?

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

What happened to the economy? I thought that was the GOP's #1 goal? Out of ideas so now you have to distract us by bringing up abortion and marriage?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Most late-term abortions involve health of the mother issues or cases where the fetus can't survive (like if it's developing without a brain).

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

LDS Lib,

No one is suggesting criminalizing what you imply.

Care to try again?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Chris B
There are plenty of people who want to ban all abortions, no exceptions. Some of them stepped in it when they refused to allow exceptions for rape (Akin, Mourdock). Paul Ryan said the life of mother exception was "a loophole wide enough to drive a Mack truck through" which I would think suggests a desire to add some restrictions in there.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ Chris B: And 100% of maternal deaths due to pregnancy complications are women. Lack of abortion can be deadly.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Chris B
Actually, I just realized something easier to argue... your own Catholic church opposes abortion in all instances and making it illegal means that it would thus become a crime where there would be punishments for the doctors and women involved. Obviously half of Catholics are pro-choice and despite the church statements against birth control the vast majority of Catholics use it... however, you said nobody suggests criminalizing it, so I don't need a majority; I just need to prove the opinion exists.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

kalindra and alt,

Please provide a quote from a prominent republican who doesn't want to allow abortions when the mothers life is in danger.

This ought to be good....

Good luck!

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

Anyone who supports abortion over 20 weeks if not younger has to have no consideration for the baby. Does the baby at this age feel pain, I think so. Just because a 16 years old is "upset" because she does not want the baby is no reason for abortion. In the doctor's clinic mentioned the babies were killed if delivered alive. No grounds for compromise here.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

LDS Lib,

No one is suggesting criminalizing what you imply.

Care to try again?
1:55 p.m. Aug. 2, 2013

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Oh really --

Then why does the GOP official party platform include a proposal of a Fetal Personhood Amendment?

[effectively banning ALL abortions, and most forms of birth control?]

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Chris B
"Please provide a quote from a prominent republican who doesn't want to allow abortions when the mothers life is in danger."

Okay, is second place in the most recent presidential primary prominent enough?

SANTORUM: When I was leading the charge on partial birth abortion, several members came forward and said, “Why don’t we just ban all abortions?” Tom Daschle was one of them, if you remember. And Susan Collins, and others. They wanted a health exception, which of course is a phony exception which would make the ban ineffective.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@ Chris B: How about the case of the woman in Ireland who was not allowed an abortion and died as a result of pregnancy complications? Or all the times that happens in South American countries? The Catholic Church bans all abortions in the hospitals they operate - unless they can find a way to save the mother without directly "attacking" the fetus.

From 7/23, "After posting a picture of a large pistol on his Facebook page last week, Missouri state Senate Majority Whip Brian Nieves (R-Washington) engaged in a long exchange about abortion in the comment section, in which he said abortions to save the life of the mother are actually just "a matter of convenience." ... Former U.S. Rep. Joe Walsh (R-Ill.) said last October that there should be no abortion exception for the "life of the mother" because "with modern technology and science, you can't find one instance" in which a woman would actually die. "And as far as health of the mother, same thing," Walsh continued."

the truth
Holladay, UT

@atl134

Partial Birth Abortions are never used nor needed to save the life of the mother.

And why do you leave out the rest of the quote and its context?

Are you hiding something?

KDave
Moab, UT

I saw a clip where a fellow was carrying a petition to allow post-pregnancy abortions. He was using the usual arguments (womans health/rights). Some were signing it.

glendenbg
Salt Lake City, UT

I'm bothered by people claim women seek abortions for casual reasons or because they're simply "upset" and who seem to think women don't understand that a fetus turns into a person.

I know several woman who have had abortions. Not one woman did so for frivolous reasons. Each woman understood that the fetus she was carrying had the potential to become a fully fledged human being. Each of them understood the moral and personal implications of abortion. In at least two cases, the child was much wanted but was unlikely to survive and if the child survived would have experienced a lifetime of suffering. In other cases, they could not provide a decent life; abortion was the least bad choice.

Abortion is a deeply personal decision, and there are so many variables, that the only reasonable option is to trust women and their doctors to know what is best. The surest means for reducing the need for abortion is preventing unplanned pregnancy, which means guaranteeing access to affordable and reliable birth control and educating people about its use. And then we must trust people to make their own decisions.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

They won't do anything with health care so they might as well try some social engineering.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "I know several woman who have had abortions. Not one woman did so for frivolous reasons."

There are unfrivolous reasons for killing another human, but they primarily involve killing a human, typically one who has killed another, whose continued existence is simply too dangerous to others to permit him to be left alive.

Inconvenience, expense, and the judgment of anyone but a duly authorized and trusted legal agent regarding a person's possible future quality of life, are NEVER recognized as sufficient reasons to kill adult humans.

No one has ever adequately explained why we should apply a different analysis to innocent unborn humans. Particularly those who will shortly be born, and who, if born prematurely, would likely survive the experience.

Abortion always kills an innocent human. Those innocent humans should have at least the same level of protection we offer to guilty, dangerous humans that we intend to kill.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Re:procuradorfiscal
"Abortion always kills an innocent human. Those innocent humans should have at least the same level of protection we offer to guilty, dangerous humans that we intend to kill."

What about exceptions for rape and incest?

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