And yet AGAIN the university of Utah is winning the recruiting battle for this
years seniors.And that "winning" can be defined as EITHER
average starsORNumber of kids who had offers to all 3
state schools and who picked Utah And if you think winning
recruiting battles isn't important, nick Saban disagrees with you I love my pac12 membership!
Before you get too lost in your euphoric fog, please note that BYU is not a
state school but a national university, having no requirement to stay in its own
backyard. No one cares much about Utah outside SL County especially in other PAC
cities. ASU and UA joined the rest of the conference in asking Colorado and Utah
to hop aboard, but the motivation had more to do with the disappointment over
losing Texas, Oklahoma, and A&M along with the ensuing panic to get fat
quick, trying to get to 12, 14 even 16 teams. BYU can't bring in kids with
lousy grades or less than idea citizenship, not to mention a much more
competitive classroom situation that found at Utah. I don't think you
become the 68th best school in the country being a slouch, the folks at 124th
@Lightening LadCorrection. BYU is a Worldwide University. How else
can you explain Dave Rose recruiting Ziggy?Utah is the flagship
program in the State according to top recruits. Regardless of their grades or
moral character.Being 2nd to Texas, Oklahoma, TA&M is better
than being 2nd to TCU and West Virgina... but at least your still hope with the
ongoing 40+ year discussions with the BIG 12.
utah is killing it in recruiting, and yet they get killed on the field.i guess the coveted membership does nothing to equate to wins...
I will never understand why misguided fans continue to claim "wins" in
recruiting right after somebody signs or commits. How can you possible know if
it's a win or not at that point? BYU did it like crazy with Jake Heaps.
Do I need to remind anyone how that turned out? Chris B does it with pretty
much anyone the Utes bring in. No matter what is going in in recruiting,
neither BYU or Utah are currently winning any games of substance. Until you actually win something, or get consistant high level production from
a player on the field, you just look silly and desperate claiming a win in
@Fatman,I don't think that any SINGLE recruit signals future
success, but having overall higher stars(and beating head to head matchups year
after year) definitely means something.If you think average stars
don't matter, you obviously have no idea what the average star rating of
Alabama's recruiting classes have been since Saban arrived.You
think Saban would win the national championship with 2 star choir boys?Not a chance
@Chris B,The difference between Nick Saban and those who beat their
chests over recruiting is that Nick doesn't ever claim victory until he
hoists the trophy at year end. Take note!
@Ufel (great name btw)Here's some stats for you:Utah is
7-1 (.875) in OOC games since joining the PAC-12.They are 9-11 (.450)
against teams from power conferences since joining the PAC-12.In
case you're curious about BYU, they don't have a conference so every
game is essentially OOC. Their record over the last two years is 18-8 (.692).They are also 4-6 (.400) against power conference teams (including Notre
Dame).So, even though Utah has played twice as many power conference
games, they still have a better win percentage against those teams than BYU.My point isn't to show that Utah is better than BYU; that debate
rages on. My point is that even in admitted rebuilding and disappointing years,
Utah still isn't exactly getting "killed on the field." Add to
that the fact that the PAC-12 recruiting classes Utah has obtained the last few
years are still very young (freshmen, red-shirt freshmen, and sophomores) and
not getting on the field much and even when they do, they are vastly more
inexperienced than their opponents.
fatman,Winning the recruiting war is the precursor to winning on the
field(see Utah's 3-0 win streak over byu, 19 out of 20 against Utah
state)There is a STRONG correlation between higher star teams
beating lower average star teams.To believe there is no such
correlation is foolish.
@Chris B,"Winning" in recruiting still doesn't give you
automatic wins on the field. Especially when you are claiming victory at the
time a player either signs or commits. Why such difficulty with this concept?
Could it be because right now your Utes have highly rated recruits, but
don't have the PAC 12 wins? The only other place I hear fluff like
"recruiting wins" is from homer BYU fans. You can have all
the 4 star guys in the world and it's no guarantee whatsoever that you will
get wins on the field. Notre Dame has been loaded with high level recruits for
most of the last 20 years, but for most of that time, they haven't gotten
it done on the field. Boise State on the other hand regularly
recruits low rated players and all they do is win. 10+ wins almost every year
for the past 15 years. 17-0 vs the Utah schools since 1997.It
doesn't mean a thing until you get it done on the field.
Fatman,I agree with you that it is time to start backing up the talk
by winning (it would serve Utah and BYU well to win some big games). Utah and
BYU will have their chance this year to do that.That being said, I
don't think comparing Notre Dame and Boise State is a very good comparison.
While it's true that ND hasn't been as successful over the last
several years as it has been historically, ND plays a MUCH more difficult
schedule than BSU does. ND would perform as well as BSU with a similar cupcake
schedule. Just sayin'.
Fatman,Why such difficulty understanding that higher star kids
typically do better than lower stars?Do you honestly think Alabamas
success has nothing to do with how well they recruit?Lol! Nick Saban
disagrees with you And why has Utah struggled in the PAC 12?Recruiting!Thanks for further proving my point. Five years ago when the kids that are now seniors were being recruited Utah
was stuck in the lowly Mwc. It is tough to win PAC 12 games with Mwc
talent. Why does Utah typically beat Utah state and byu?Recruiting Why has Utah struggled in PAC 12?Recruiting
Why does the sec do so well?Recruiting Have
you really never read about how the sec had a huge advantage in recruiting due
to geography?Lol!Again, nick Saban disagrees with you!
And Fatman,Care to guess the average stars of the 2013 nfl first
round draft picks? 3.53 Keep telling yourself that one
and two star choir boys have just as good of a chance being great!The nfl general managers disagree with you!
@devilishJust using both to point out that so called recruiting
"wins" aren't the same as on field wins. ND was the master of
beating their chest over recruiting, especially during the Charlie Weiss years.
Most years though they never even came close to living up to the hype.. I hope Utah doesn't turn into the next ND. It would be nice to
have at least one Utah team actually do something worthwhile some day soon.
@ thrillerThank man, you would be surprised at how many don't get
it.I am actually and Aggie and cheer for the utes except when they
play us, and never cheer for byu. I was not hacking on the utes as much as I was
taking a jab at the dumbest ute fan and his incessant blather about his pac12
membership.I love to see utah win every game except against Utah
State.I love to see everyone beat byu.Go Aggies!
@chris BYour very existence and non-stop yapping on these boards
absolutely proves my point. When you don't have the wins, you
shouldn't be bragging about anything including recruiting.. Notch a few
meaningful wins and then I will listen. Til then you are no better than Wash
St, a PAC 12 weakling.And no beating BYU is not a meaningful win.
All Top Coaches in the Nation will say, "You got To Win The In-State
Recruiting War" looks like Utah Utes again are surely proving that right.
So for our little state of Utah...it looks like the UTEs are dominate again.
but honestly, Both BYU and UTAH need a good win. they both suck right now.
@Top5AliveYou are spot on! Time for both schools to step up and beat
the good teams. Both will have plenty of opportunity this year; Brutal