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Published: Friday, Aug. 2 2013 9:17 a.m. MDT

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

And yet AGAIN the university of Utah is winning the recruiting battle for this years seniors.

And that "winning" can be defined as EITHER average stars

OR

Number of kids who had offers to all 3 state schools and who picked Utah

And if you think winning recruiting battles isn't important, nick Saban disagrees with you

I love my pac12 membership!

Lightening Lad
Austin , TX

Before you get too lost in your euphoric fog, please note that BYU is not a state school but a national university, having no requirement to stay in its own backyard. No one cares much about Utah outside SL County especially in other PAC cities. ASU and UA joined the rest of the conference in asking Colorado and Utah to hop aboard, but the motivation had more to do with the disappointment over losing Texas, Oklahoma, and A&M along with the ensuing panic to get fat quick, trying to get to 12, 14 even 16 teams. BYU can't bring in kids with lousy grades or less than idea citizenship, not to mention a much more competitive classroom situation that found at Utah. I don't think you become the 68th best school in the country being a slouch, the folks at 124th handle that.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Lightening Lad

Correction. BYU is a Worldwide University. How else can you explain Dave Rose recruiting Ziggy?

Utah is the flagship program in the State according to top recruits. Regardless of their grades or moral character.

Being 2nd to Texas, Oklahoma, TA&M is better than being 2nd to TCU and West Virgina... but at least your still hope with the ongoing 40+ year discussions with the BIG 12.

Ifel Of'a-sofa
Alpine, Utah

utah is killing it in recruiting, and yet they get killed on the field.

i guess the coveted membership does nothing to equate to wins...

FatMan86
West Jordan, UT

I will never understand why misguided fans continue to claim "wins" in recruiting right after somebody signs or commits. How can you possible know if it's a win or not at that point? BYU did it like crazy with Jake Heaps. Do I need to remind anyone how that turned out? Chris B does it with pretty much anyone the Utes bring in. No matter what is going in in recruiting, neither BYU or Utah are currently winning any games of substance.

Until you actually win something, or get consistant high level production from a player on the field, you just look silly and desperate claiming a win in recruiting.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@Fatman,

I don't think that any SINGLE recruit signals future success, but having overall higher stars(and beating head to head matchups year after year) definitely means something.

If you think average stars don't matter, you obviously have no idea what the average star rating of Alabama's recruiting classes have been since Saban arrived.

You think Saban would win the national championship with 2 star choir boys?

Not a chance

FatMan86
West Jordan, UT

@Chris B,

The difference between Nick Saban and those who beat their chests over recruiting is that Nick doesn't ever claim victory until he hoists the trophy at year end.

Take note!

Thriller
Saint George, UT

@Ufel (great name btw)

Here's some stats for you:
Utah is 7-1 (.875) in OOC games since joining the PAC-12.
They are 9-11 (.450) against teams from power conferences since joining the PAC-12.

In case you're curious about BYU, they don't have a conference so every game is essentially OOC. Their record over the last two years is 18-8 (.692).
They are also 4-6 (.400) against power conference teams (including Notre Dame).

So, even though Utah has played twice as many power conference games, they still have a better win percentage against those teams than BYU.

My point isn't to show that Utah is better than BYU; that debate rages on. My point is that even in admitted rebuilding and disappointing years, Utah still isn't exactly getting "killed on the field." Add to that the fact that the PAC-12 recruiting classes Utah has obtained the last few years are still very young (freshmen, red-shirt freshmen, and sophomores) and not getting on the field much and even when they do, they are vastly more inexperienced than their opponents.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

fatman,

Winning the recruiting war is the precursor to winning on the field(see Utah's 3-0 win streak over byu, 19 out of 20 against Utah state)

There is a STRONG correlation between higher star teams beating lower average star teams.

To believe there is no such correlation is foolish.

FatMan86
West Jordan, UT

@Chris B,

"Winning" in recruiting still doesn't give you automatic wins on the field. Especially when you are claiming victory at the time a player either signs or commits. Why such difficulty with this concept? Could it be because right now your Utes have highly rated recruits, but don't have the PAC 12 wins? The only other place I hear fluff like "recruiting wins" is from homer BYU fans.

You can have all the 4 star guys in the world and it's no guarantee whatsoever that you will get wins on the field. Notre Dame has been loaded with high level recruits for most of the last 20 years, but for most of that time, they haven't gotten it done on the field.

Boise State on the other hand regularly recruits low rated players and all they do is win. 10+ wins almost every year for the past 15 years. 17-0 vs the Utah schools since 1997.

It doesn't mean a thing until you get it done on the field.

DevilishUte
Tempe, AZ

Fatman,

I agree with you that it is time to start backing up the talk by winning (it would serve Utah and BYU well to win some big games). Utah and BYU will have their chance this year to do that.

That being said, I don't think comparing Notre Dame and Boise State is a very good comparison. While it's true that ND hasn't been as successful over the last several years as it has been historically, ND plays a MUCH more difficult schedule than BSU does. ND would perform as well as BSU with a similar cupcake schedule. Just sayin'.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Fatman,

Why such difficulty understanding that higher star kids typically do better than lower stars?

Do you honestly think Alabamas success has nothing to do with how well they recruit?

Lol! Nick Saban disagrees with you

And why has Utah struggled in the PAC 12?

Recruiting!

Thanks for further proving my point.

Five years ago when the kids that are now seniors were being recruited Utah was stuck in the lowly Mwc.

It is tough to win PAC 12 games with Mwc talent.

Why does Utah typically beat Utah state and byu?

Recruiting

Why has Utah struggled in PAC 12?

Recruiting

Why does the sec do so well?

Recruiting

Have you really never read about how the sec had a huge advantage in recruiting due to geography?

Lol!

Again, nick Saban disagrees with you!

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

And Fatman,

Care to guess the average stars of the 2013 nfl first round draft picks?

3.53

Keep telling yourself that one and two star choir boys have just as good of a chance being great!

The nfl general managers disagree with you!

Layne Platt
West Jordan, UT

@devilish

Just using both to point out that so called recruiting "wins" aren't the same as on field wins. ND was the master of beating their chest over recruiting, especially during the Charlie Weiss years. Most years though they never even came close to living up to the hype..

I hope Utah doesn't turn into the next ND. It would be nice to have at least one Utah team actually do something worthwhile some day soon.

Ifel Of'a-sofa
Alpine, Utah

@ thriller
Thank man, you would be surprised at how many don't get it.

I am actually and Aggie and cheer for the utes except when they play us, and never cheer for byu. I was not hacking on the utes as much as I was taking a jab at the dumbest ute fan and his incessant blather about his pac12 membership.

I love to see utah win every game except against Utah State.
I love to see everyone beat byu.

Go Aggies!

FatMan86
West Jordan, UT

@chris B

Your very existence and non-stop yapping on these boards absolutely proves my point. When you don't have the wins, you shouldn't be bragging about anything including recruiting.. Notch a few meaningful wins and then I will listen. Til then you are no better than Wash St, a PAC 12 weakling.

And no beating BYU is not a meaningful win.

Top5Alive
salt lake city, UT

All Top Coaches in the Nation will say, "You got To Win The In-State Recruiting War" looks like Utah Utes again are surely proving that right. So for our little state of Utah...it looks like the UTEs are dominate again.

Top5Alive
salt lake city, UT

but honestly, Both BYU and UTAH need a good win. they both suck right now.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@Top5Alive

You are spot on! Time for both schools to step up and beat the good teams. Both will have plenty of opportunity this year; Brutal Schedules!

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