Now kids...Lets not be hasty!
Isn't there a thread for "Odd Arguments" you guys could jump on?
Duckhunter, Accept the fact that the state makes a measley $253
million appropriation that covers 40 percent of the cost to educate grads and
undergrads when the state used to cover 75 percent of the education costs. The
state owns the university but does not own the entire $3.2 billion budget.
Argue that they do in court and you will lose.
@dutchman"The State of Utah gets a great deal and calls it their
flag ship university for a bargain price."The state of utah owns
it in whole, whatever accomplishments are made, whatever deals are realized,
whatever it does belongs to the state and is because of the state. It is nothing
without the state. You need to accept that.
Isn't it great that the kids in Utah have the opportunity of attending the
University of Utah, a top flight world class university, where they can earn a
professional degree in medicine, law, Denistry, nursing, pharmacy, business,
engineering, etc etc and the taxpayers of Utah put up only 40 per cent of the
cost of grad and under grad education when it used to be 75 per cent. The State
of Utah gets a great deal and calls it their flag ship university for a bargain
To me the disappointing part is not that the facilities are extravagant. The
disappointing part is that athletes are not paid while all that money is getting
spent on the facilities. Yes, their education and room and board is being paid
for. But these student athletes also go through school largely unable to do any
meaningful internships or get much meaningful work experience for graduation.
They need to be compensated well for their time there earning the schools so
much money. Pay the athletes.
SS Smith:If it doesn't have at least 3 stars next to it on
rivals.com or come out of Larry Scott's mouth it isn't a fact.
FromWA,This comes from the University of Utah School of Denistry web
page:The University of Utah School of Dentistry will grant its first
DDS degree in 2017. The School of Dentistry is part of the University of
Utah’s Health Sciences, the Intermountain West’s only academic
medical center, and our new School of Dentistry building is slated for
completion in late 2014. The health sciences comprise University of Utah Health
Care, the School of Medicine, the School of Dentistry and the Colleges of
Pharmacy, Nursing and Health. Our classes are currently held in the Health
Sciences Education Building, an award-winning facility in the heart of the
education corridor of the Health Sciences.The U is no longer sending
students to Creighton University.
FromWA,You need to get up to speed. Utah certainly has a new Dental
school separate from Creighton University. Google it if you don't believe
me. And the pharmacy school is not just good, it is ranked one of the highest
in the nation. And why did you bring BYU into the discussion? I have not
disparaged BYU at all.
Dutchman, The U of U does not have a dental school. It has two residency
programs (I think), and a few students take the first two years at the U and
move on to Creighton. They do not have a dental school. Great med school, sure
pharm is good, but had to correct you on one thing I actually know something
about. The goal of BYU is not in having these very expensive programs, nor
should it be.
Dutchman"Utah has medical, pharmacy and dental schools and all
the research that goes with them. That is what opened the door for Utah into the
PAC 12."It certainly wasn't Utah's flash-in-the-pan
football program that never did anything before 2004 and hasn't done
anything since 2008.The PAC got just what they wanted, an expanded
television footprint and cannon fodder for the big boys of the conference to pad
their conference win totals.
DutchmanI am going on what was reported in the article. If you have
a problem with that take it up with Landon.
CougsnDawgs,Agree. AAU status is the ultimate. That is the main
reason Arizona led the charge to leave the WAC back in the day and join the PAC
8. It took Arizona about 6 years to achieve AAU status after joining the PAC 8.
I don't know how interested ASU, Wash ST, Oregon St are in getting to AAU
status. I know Utah is very interested. But as you know there is a nominating
process and a school must be voted in by the other members in addition to
achieving certain academic ranks. I know Utah is working on it and possibly in
the future the U will be nominated for membership by another PAC 12 school since
those schools are interested in keeping up with the Big 10. I don't know
if you have seen it but the new ambulatory care complex under construction at
the U med school is huge. The size of that facility alone would cover about one
third of the area of a typical college campus. The new Dental, Law and
Education buildings are also under construction. All these things will
eventually lead to AAU membership. Cheers.
Dutchman:My bad, I realize the article was talking about Forbes, but as
you stated that's not the only metric for academics. You stated that
recruits care about academics, and I agree, many if them do. But they are
probably more aware of AAU status than Forbes ranking in terms of academics,
especially when AAU status has been such a talking point during
realignment...agree? My comments were not meant in any way to
disparage the university of Utah. I know it's a great academic institution.
But in terms of AAU and graduation rates, Oregon is better. That said, it's
interesting to note that Utah has a higher avg SAT entrance score, higher
freshman retention rate, and a much larger research endowment than Oregon. Both
are quality universities. Cheers.
lol @ advocating for "redistribution of wealth" that most of you rant
and rail against
Ain't freedom a wonderful thing? Imagine living in a country where a
government dictates how, where, or what to spend your money on? Frankly, I
think the Ducks uniforms are some of the most hideously outrageous of any
I've seen but that's the beauty of a free society. You can spend your
money any way you want without worrying about anyone else's opinion because
it's nobody business but yours.As far as "Nobody get scared
by a duck" That maybe true of any ordinary duck but those Oregonian ducks
are a different breed. They are mean and tough with nasty attitudes on the
field. They didn't get to sit on top of their conference by just having
SSmith,Utah has medical, pharmacy and dental schools and all the
research that goes with them. That is what opened the door for Utah into the
PAC 12. Not disparaging BYU here at all. BYU is a great university. Forbes is
one of many, many rankings. Others present different results. But
Landon's article used Forbes and Forbes has Utah ranked much higher than
Forbes ranks BYU as the 75th best academic university and ranks Utah at #143.
Forbes also ranks BYU as the 42nd best research university and Utah
comes in at #75.That's pretty far off from what the PAC12 fans
have been telling us.
They should get Willie, Si, Phil and Jace to come in and do some duck
What's the big deal? This looks like the high school athletic center I
trained in.The duck motif is a distinct drawback, however. Nobody
get scared by a duck. And the 'feather' accents to the decorations
just look silly.
I've been through both BYU and utah's football facilities. While both
are very nice neither compare to that. I don't know if anything does
compare to that.
Cougsndawgs,I am going on what was reported in the article. If you
have a problem with that take it up with Landon.
Dutchman:"Utah's academic standing is higher than Oregons's
and that still counts a lot with recruits".Uh...no. Oregon is a
member of the prestigious AAU fraternity of universities. A membership Utah can
only dream of having. Utah, Oregon State, Washington St, & ASU are the only
PAC12 schools who are not members of the AAU (the Big 10 are ALL AAU except
Nebraska, who was AAU when they initially joined). In terms of graduation rates
Utah ranks second to last in the PAC12 in front of only Party U, Arizona St.
Ironmomo,The $68 million that Oregon spent on their football
facility included, I believe, an indoor practice facility and weight training
center, facilities that Utah already had in place. So, Utah spent $32 million
on the part of the facility equation that was missing. While not as extravagent
as Oregon's, Utah's facility will do just fine. And Utah's
academic standing is higher than Oregons's and that still counts a lot with
recruits. Just ask Stanford.
Did anyone expect anything different from Nike U? I think it is actually a good
thing that Oregon embraces the glitz and glamour that they can afford. It makes
for a fun atmosphere and brings viewers and students together to watch what uni
the ducks will adorn this time. If Phil knight wants to give back to his
university in such a way, what's wrong with that? I think in the end
it's good for the school academically also. Anything in advertising that
sets your brand apart is attractive...whether it be for athletes or for
students. Why do universities spend so much on their advertising during sporting
events? It attracts both students and athletes, and Oregon gets both because of
their Nike mojo IMO.
I would really be surprised if Landon took more than 15 minutes to do research
for this article. He basically regurgitated the USA Today article (and others)
and is apparently completely unaware that the NCAA investigation was completed
over 2 weeks ago and minimal penalties were levied. In regards to
the money spent. This project was entirely privately funded, the vast majority
of it by Phil and Penny Knight. They can spend their money any way they want.
BTW, they have also donated millions to the academic side at Oregon. John Jaqua
Student-Athlete Academic Center, the Knight Library, and the Knight Law School
to name a few.Also, the chances of the University of Utah or BYU
turning down a gift like this if Phil Knight were an alum = NONE.
Keep in mind Nike sells athletic gear and apparel. Everyone knows Phil Knight
invests in Oregon athletics. His investment into his alma mater is also
promoting the Nike brand. It's another form of advertising because every
time a person see's Oregon apparel/gear, his name (and Nike) is associated
with it. Plus, from an academic standpoint, does anyone know 100% that he does
or doesn't also contribute to education too? I would bet he does, but
I'm not sure.
It's a little over the top, but Oregon is far from the only one out there
having a spending spree. After this video gets out, I guarentee no less than 10
SEC schools are already out quadrupling their fundraising and breaking ground on
their best efforts to keep up with the Ducks. Guess they will have to take a
break from figuring out ways to pay players while they build. @Brave Sir Robin: "Neither will a few more Oregonians getting worthless
liberal arts degrees" -Nice work, this made me laugh out loud!!
Aa the one poster said, Phil Knight can spend his money however he sees fit. If
you want to complain, complain to Mr. Knight, or else complain to those Oregon
grads who have gone on to greatness in other fields and choose not to be as
generous as Knight does in contributing to their alma mater
Wow, very impressive.The University of Utah just finished moving
into their brand new football facility last month which cost 32 million dollars;
and now Oregon drops a 68 million dollar recruiting Taj Mahal on their front
doorstep.Keeping up with the Jones (Ducks) is going to be tough for
Maybe some of this money could be filtered into medical research at both the
university of Oregon and other university research facilities. That way, they
could research life altering injuries like spinal cord, cancer, and brain trama
and perhaps provide some real utility and benefit.
@vangroovinWhere to begin...."Why can't some of
that money they spent in the building go towards furthering the education of
their students?"Oregon's athletic department is profitable.
That means spending $1 in athletics gets the school more than $1 back. That
money is spent on - you guessed it - furthering the education of their
students."A building is a building and eventually will be torn
down or be destroyed. Education is much more permanent and makes much more of an
impact."Education is not more permanent than a building. The
building lasts 50 years maybe. The investment in education also goes away after
50 years when the learner dies."This facility is a joke when it
comes to what they could have done to better the education of the
institution's students."See point #1 above. Also, this
isn't "school" money being spent - it's Phil Knight's
money. And he can spend it on what he wishes."Football is fun
to watch, but it won't solve the problems of the world."Neither will a few more Oregonians getting worthless liberal arts degrees.
This is pretty common with all PAC 11+u schools. The new Nike contract is
throwing money huge amounts of money mostly the football programs in the
conference. The universities are strapped for cash in other areas. I am
guessing that this would also be true with other conferences that need the
charity handouts.Thank goodness that BYU can stand on its own reputation
and national brand
The Oregon football team also brings in more money than other departments.I'm totally fine with them spending their money how they want.
Wow - a bit WAY over the top! Sure it's nice, but seriously? Why
can't some of that money they spent in the building go towards furthering
the education of their students? A building is a building and eventually will
be torn down or be destroyed. Education is much more permanent and makes much
more of an impact. This facility makes the Ducks look like movie stars, full of
glitz, glamour, "look at me", pride, and absolute arrogance. College
students in my opinion don't need something this extravagantly luxurious as
part of their college experience: 1) they are football players; 2) they are
college students. And again, coming back to the academics, what good does a
multi-million (or should I say billion) facility do if the sole purpose for
those students being there is to gain an education? This facility is a joke
when it comes to what they could have done to better the education of the
institution's students. Football is fun to watch, but it won't solve
the problems of the world.