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Published: Thursday, Aug. 1 2013 7:12 a.m. MDT

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Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Wiscougarfan

Offensive, defensive statistics or statistics of any kind are irrelevant and do not prove supremacy if you lose the game...

If it gives you comfort that BYU compares statistically favorable while losing to the big boys... Then enjoy...

But BYU loses when they play the big boys.. that is not made up... and statistics don't explain that fact away...

As for BYU offense this year... I don't know how they will do... and neither do you... and your statistics don't provide any predictive evidence one way or the other...

What I do know is that there are lots of offensive and defensive question marks for BYU this year and if any of those questions are not answered affirmatively... It could be a long, and eye opening, season for the Cougars...

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Howard S.

You sure are anti-statistics for someone who prides himself on being part of the "Conference of Champions" (a reputation gained by PAST NUMBER of championships), routing for a team that STATISTICALLY outranks BYU according to online recruiting services, and has beaten the Cougs 3 of 4, 8 of 11, statistic, etc. etc.

Statistics are what all fans (yourself included) rely on for the off-season smack talk so don't pretend that only BYU fans are number crunching.

"As for BYU offense this year... I don't know how they will do... and neither do you... and your statistics don't provide any predictive evidence one way or the other..."

So do you disagree that Alabama should be ranked #1 (or even in the top 25) in the pre-season? After all, they're only placed so high because they won games in the past, get top recruits, and play a tough SOS (all predictive indicators).

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Wiscougarfan

Who said anything about PAC12 championships, recruiting rankings, the Utes dominance over BYU, or Alabama?

Changing the subject, are we?

You know you've lost the argument when your only response is to change the subject...

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Howie:
Statistics are the only way to gauge what could/should happen when it hasn't actually happened yet. Maybe you feel playing simulations on your PS3 is the way to go, or evaluating the experience of a RB coach who will not be calling plays or be any part of actual game management (though he does have All-WAC honors having played the position). If these coping skills bring some comfort in your hatred of BYU, have at it.

As for what BYU does against the big boys, you're right, I wish they performed better. Maybe after Utah actually beats a big boy in their "power" conference you can come back and tell us all how it's done. Utah is a laughing stalk to the big boys as much as anyone but I guess you like playing the role of the pot? I will enjoy talking stats and wins/losses with you after the season, but you'll have to speak loud so I can hear you through the paper bag on your head.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Howard S.

"Changing the subject, are we?"

Nice try. Obviously we're talking about the role of statistics in smack talk, which is why I used the examples that I did. I guess the obvious is hard to see when when you're lurking under a bridge (that's what trolls do, right?).

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Cougsndawgs

Predicting the future?

If you believe that past results are predictive of future outcomes then you must believe BYU will have a losing record against the BCS teams it will play this year... Right?

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Wiscougarfan

Statistics is what we were talking about.... noooooo.....

You talk about defensive statistics because its the only place that BYU shows favorably...

You don't want to talk about BYU's losing record against big boy teams... and you don't want to talk about BYU's returning inexperience on the o-line players and coaching.... you don't want to talk about a RB coach with zero experience... and you can't explain how any of these things bode well for BYU's future...

So you want to talk about other things...

Perkunas
Ashburn, VA

Considering the tragedy affecting the Ute program this week and the many respectful condolences from BYU fans on another thread, I think it's beyond low for the usual suspects to come trolling on Cougar articles. Surely it's a moment for a truce.

idablu
Idaho Falls, ID

Howie
"Brian Johnson?

Didn't the collective Cougar Nation mock incessantly the hiring of an inexperienced OC."

Who's Brian Johnson?

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@idablu

Understandable that you would forget BJ...

he's just undefeated against BYU as a player/coach... that's all..

Spider Rico
Greeley, CO

too funny

theDailyObserver
Salt Lake City, Utah

Coming this fall: Robert Anae 2.0

Coming this December: the firing of Robert Anae 2.0

One can only wonder where Robert Anae 3.0 will resurrect...

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

"the same year Utah lost to Colorado they played in a bowl game (Sun Bowl) and kicked BYU to the curb (54-10) at BYU. Ouch! So if Utah is a bottom feeder and a joke of a program, what does that make BYU the dust under a bad program and a bad joke to boot?"

That is a good point to bring up. I'm guessing that Utah fans won't say that Colorado is a better team than Utah (after all, Colorado is known to be one of the worst teams in FBS). So then, why did they lose? Did they have a bad game while Colorado had a good game? I'm guessing you would say yes, that that was the case. And if that is the case, why can it not be the case whenever BYU plays Utah? The last 3 years BYU has under-performed against Utah (true statement). Apparently it's ok for Utah to have a bad game, but nobody else.

And Howard, saying Wiscougarfan "changed" the subject to statistics because he "lost" is so silly. It seems that you really need BYU to validate your own program.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Riverton Cougar

"I'm guessing they would say yes?"
*******

So you've now resorted to asking the question and then answering for Utah fans in order to make your point?

Colorado won because they were better... and then Utah followed up by beating them the very next year.

Utah beats BYU because the Utes are better... And have been better three years straight...

The manufactured excuse that the best team "underperformed" is silly... if you're the best team then win the game... period... No excuses.

Oh... and the statistical arguement from Wiscougarfan is just more silliness trying to validate BYU with something other than on-field results... BYU has a losing record against the big boys... Wiscougarfan can't dispute that so he wants to talk about defensive statistics.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

"So you've now resorted to asking the question and then answering for Utah fans in order to make your point?"

Well, I've yet to read any comment from Ute fans suggesting that Colorado was better until Utah. Until now, that is:

"Colorado won because they were better"

Ok, so Colorado is better than Utah. Howard has said it. According to the Sagarin ratings, Colorado ranked at 107. So, since Colorado was better than Utah, where would that put Utah? This is the first time I've heard a Ute fan say this.

"The manufactured excuse that the best team "underperformed" is silly... if you're the best team then win the game... period... No excuses."

So, that means that it not only matters who you beat, but also who you lose to. Since Utah lost to one of the worst teams in college football, what does that make them?

And finally, who was the better team in 2011: LSU or Alabama?

Since the better team always wins.... period... LSU was clearly better because they beat Alabama. But... since the better team always wins... period... Alabama was clearly better than LSU because they beat them.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Riverton Cougar

If Utah believed they were the better team in the 2011 loss... they stepped up in 2012 and proved it....

Since 2010 BYU has had two chances to step up and prove that 2010 against Utah was a fluke. But they haven't.

Now Cougar Nation makes the lame arguement that 2010 was a fluke... and 2011 was a fluke... and 2012 was a fluke...

Cougars simply embarrass themselves by trying to claim they are the better team having lost three in a row...

If the Cougars were really the better team they would win the games... But they can't...

Just win the games... no excuses... then the Cougar Nation wouldn't be forced to make silly claims of superiority when they can't win the games.

Oh, and Games are determined on the field... not in the Sagarin spreadsheets...

panamadesnews
Lindon, UT

@ Howie: I will answer your questions about BYU's defense and offense. The answers are, Defense = Bronco. Offense = Anae.

@ Naval Vet: Since when does attendance determine which team is the most important. Last time I heard Bronco and team members talking about which team was the most important, they indicated that the upcoming game was the most important - that the team should not look beyond that upcoming game, but play each game one at a time. Some games may be more intriguing than others, but each game is either a win or a loss, so in that sense, each is as important as the next.

I am looking forward, first and foremost, to the Virginia game. After that the Texas game. And so forth. Some of you people, fans of the Utes and of the Cougars, are swatting at flies, with your juvenile remarks and bantering. How about after the game on Sep 21, we all find positive things to say about the great plays that are made during the game, and those players who stand out, whether they are Utes or Cougars, without saying hurtful things about the opposing team, coaches, fans, making it a positive experience for everyone.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Howard S.

"Oh... and the statistical arguement from Wiscougarfan is just more silliness trying to validate BYU with something other than on-field results... BYU has a losing record against the big boys... Wiscougarfan can't dispute that so he wants to talk about defensive statistics."

Actually, no. But it was cute seeing you try to talk for me. The actual reason I brought statistics into this discussion is because you claimed that BYU's defense would not be "better than average" this season (see your comments earlier in this thread). That is a silly claim, so rather than doing what trolls do (make stuff up), I used actual evidence to support my argument. You should try that sometime, it feels good (and makes you look less silly).

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Wiscougarfan

Actually nooooo...

I said I didn't know how you could expect a better than average defense....

Still not sure how last years defensive stats against soft competition suggests a better than average BYU defense in 2013...

As for evidence... did I make up the fact fact that BYU has a losing record against the big boys of college football... and you have yet to explain how that fact bodes well against the toughest schedule BYU has ever faced.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

"Oh, and Games are determined on the field... not in the Sagarin spreadsheets..."

Rankings are the usual way of determining who the best teams in the nation are. For example, after the first 3 games, there will be many teams with a 3-0 record and many with a 2-1 record. How do you determine who the best team is? After 7 games there will be some teams with a 7-0 record, others with a 6-1 record, and so on. How do you know who is better?

By the end of the season, how do you know the best team in the nation? Who should play in the championship game? In 2004 and 2008, I bet you would have said that Utah should play in the national championship game (judging by your best-team-always-wins philosophy). Were they really the best team? How do you know?

I guess we don't need all these so-called experts when we have Howard. BYU is terrible because he says they are. Why don't you tell us your predictions for BYU's games and we'll see if you really know football like you say you do?

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