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Published: Thursday, Aug. 1 2013 7:12 a.m. MDT

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KTar
Boise, ID

@ Howie
"even with little returning experience the Cougars will be better."

What are you talking about? Your utes lost more starters last year than we did. Every skill position on offense returns a starter from last year, a few of whom are on national awards watch lists. You are poking fun of someone who has every reason to be optimistic about BYU's offense this year. I guess it's typical...

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@KTar

Did I say falling from 5th to 60th?

My point is that BYU's statistical defensive rankings are highly overstated by playing a soft schedule.

BYU has player and coaching inexperience returning on the o-line and an RB coach that has never coached... ever.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

I like how he had to re-apply for his job. It worked out well for everyone.

KTar
Boise, ID

@Howie
"Did I say falling from 5th to 60th?"

Yes:

"Better than average defense? Average offense?

I don't know how you can expect either... "

Your words, not mine. If I can't expect a "better than average" defense, that means that BYU's defense will rank right around #60 overall next year. Simple math Howie.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

KTar:

"Don't act like BYU isn't the biggest game on your schedule. Actions speak louder than words, and if I remember correctly, U stormed the field, what was it, thee times last year? LOL!"

Utah sold out every game at RES last season, yet the top attended game was USC. So despite all games SRO, nearly 400 MORE fans showed up to watch the Trojans than who came to see the Indy-WACers. So there you have it! Actions DO speak louder than words. USC is the biggest game on our schedule. We just didn't storm the field after the USC game because we lost.

Do you know which was the highest attended game at LES over these past 2 seasons?

Answer: The Utah game (2011).

Actions speak louder than words. Clearly it is UTAH who is your "biggest game on YOUR schedule", and not the other way around. "LOL"!

Reno Cougs Fan 68
Reno, NV

Howard S.

Does the name Brian Johnson ring a bell for you? Remind us how many coaching jobs he had to prepare him for being your OC? We will all soon see if our new coaches need someone to hold their hands and work with co- cordinators like BJ does!!! You may try to tear down my team but I am a fan and will cheer them on loud and proud this year as I have done every year since I can remember!!!

Go Cougs!!!
Go Utes!!!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

KTar:

"What are you talking about? Your utes lost more starters last year than we did."

Not so my research-deficit, Indy-WACey little brother. According to Phil Steele, the Utes AND the Indy-WACers both return only 12 starters. Utah returns 6 players each on offense and defense. The "Band of Bunglers" return 8 players on offense and 4 on defense.

KTar
Boise, ID

@ Naval

Although it wasn't stated, I was implying returning offensive starters. I'll try and be more clear for you next time.

Also, I'd please cite your source for your attendance records. I haven't been able to find BYU or Utah's attendance for last year online. As much as I'd like to believe you, I'd like to see it for myself.

Aggie238
Logan, UT

@Wiscoug

"one that ranked #58 in offensive yardage and #65 in points scored, which out of 124 would be middle of the pack, or 'average'"

That's actually the "median," not the "average." An average would be the sum total PPG scored from all teams, divided by the total number of teams. The "average" offense in 2012 scored 29.092 PPG. BYU was very close at 28.7 PPG. The "average" offense in 2012 produced 405.791 YPG. Again, BYU was very close at 400.2 YPG. The "median" was actually #62 (offense) Western Michigan, with 439.3 YPG and 29.3 PPG. So yes, BYU was a very "average" offensive team, which would be expected since it's so close to the median. And Western Michigan was better.

maxiute
Cedar Hills, UT

Robert Anae and "interesting" should never be used in the same sentence. "Intriguing" perhaps but not "interesting" :-)

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Reno Cougs Fan 68

Brian Johnson?

Didn't the collective Cougar Nation mock incessantly the hiring of an inexperienced OC.

And yet now the Nation thinks an inexperienced o-line coached combined with an RB coach who has never coached at all is just fine.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

KTar requests "please cite your source for your attendance records."
You might try ESPN, broadcast partner of everybody, really.

Navigate to a team's schedule, select a past year, click on a game score, and that brings up the box score which has attendance at the bottom.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

KTar:

"...please cite your source for your attendance records."

My source for that comment was from my 2013 Phil Steele magazine. That publication offers a LOT of information, including Home and Road game attendances for all games. However, SoonerUte was correct that you may also find this information on ESPN's college football site. The way I navigate that site for this information is as follows:

1. Click on the "Standings" icon at the top of the page.
2. Select your team.
3. Scroll down to your teams 2013 schedule. At the right of this schedule will be a box titled "2012 Team Leaders". Select a random player from your team.
4. Select "Game Log".
5. Select the score ("Result") of the game you want to check the attendance.
6. Select "Box Score"
7. Scroll all the way to the bottom, or type "CntlF attendance"

If you don't have a Phil Steele magazine for the year in question, you'll have to follow the above instructions.

Bottom line: You were wrong. Don't be so frantic and emotional next time.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Howard S.

Yes, as I've already posted BYU's DEFENSE would have done fine against Alabama's schedule, and there's actual evidence to back that claim. Against BYU's top five opponents last season (four of which were ranked) BYU's defense was still top twenty in most statistical categories. Of course BYU's top five opponents on average were better than the average Alabama opponent so logic would dictate that BYU would have done even better against Alabama's schedule than they did in the top half of their schedule. Sorry, but the truth can be hard to take.

And you can snicker about my "almost everyone expects better offensive output" remark, but as YOU have noted a number of times, Phil Steele is an objective and reliable source. He has BYU's offense as significantly better (two all-americans) and BYU going 9-3. I'll take his opinion over a BYU hater any day. Go Cougs!

Tuffy Parker
Salem, UT

It's very interesting to me that Howard undoubtedly knows more about BYU stats than anyone else posting... Interesting in the sense that someone would spend that much time and energy being the resident expert on a team for which he clearly has no love. Perhaps it's really an indication of the importance of the rivalry to him.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Aggie238

Thanks for the stats refresher course... never was one of my better subjects. Whatever the case my point stands, BYU's offense was average last season and most objective fans and analysts (and even most anti-BYU ones) predict it will be better this season.

Reno Cougs Fan 68
Reno, NV

Howard S.

Every coach has to start somewhere!! It may turn out bad or they just might be good at teaching the players what they need to know and do and get them to do it in games!!! Only time and the games this season will tell us which it will be!!! I am really looking forward to our game in Sept.

Go Cougs!!!
Go Utes!!!

P.S. Not every BYU fan got frantic and emotional about the BJ hiring!

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@K Tar perhaps you need to be reminded that the same year Utah lost to Colorado they played in a bowl game (Sun Bowl) and kicked BYU to the curb (54-10) at BYU. Ouch! So if Utah is a bottom feeder and a joke of a program, what does that make BYU the dust under a bad program and a bad joke to boot?

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Wiscougarfan

Cougars love statistical comparisons against the big boys because it's only in the statistics that they show well... On the field, where it counts, BYU has a losing record against the big boys... that is fact... Not supposition based on statistics.

As the great Rick Majerus said... "Statistics conceal as much as they reveal"... In BYU's case statistics conceal that the Cougars have a losing record against the big boys... I know the truth can be hard to take... So Cougar fans bury their sorrows in the statistics.

As for Phil Steele... I have NEVER referred to him as an objective and reliable source... try again.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Howard S.

"Cougars love statistical comparisons against the big boys because it's only in the statistics that they show well... On the field, where it counts, BYU has a losing record against the big boys... that is fact... Not supposition based on statistics."

No, fan use statistics to back their claims while trolls make up whatever they want. I believe stats are quite compelling when you look at them in context. What you are discounting is how bad BYU's offense was last year. You have to take that under consideration when talking about the defense. BYU's recent losing record to good teams IS NOT because they have a sub-par defense.

RE: the Phil Steele accusation. I truly apologize, I must have confused you with another BYU-hater. I should have done my homework and looked it up. However, I am curious... do you personally believe that BYU's offense this season will be worse than last season?

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