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Published: Thursday, Aug. 1 2013 9:15 a.m. MDT

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stuff
Provo, UT

I support moving the prison from its current location to a more remote location. An all-at-once move would be preferred. But, if we can't do it all at once, then do it piecemeal. Start building a small section of the new prison somewhere else, move inmates to it and decommission the portion of the current prison they vacated. Then, continue adding-on to the new prison, migrating inmates as new space is available at the new site. Still, better to just do it while costs are lower - or, now.

Rock Of The Marne
Phoenix, AZ

Utah can't adequately fund public education, but it has enough tax payer money tear down a prison, major parts of which are only a few decades old, and build a new prison out the boonies, at great cost to the Utah taxpayer. I guess since there is money to be made it is okay with members of the Utah Legislature. That R by their name pretty much gives them a free pass to do what they want; fiscal conservatives my foot, not when there is taxpayer money to be made. All power corrupts., absolute power corrupts absolutely; I give you exhibit A. If the people of Utah stand for this boondoggle I say shame on them.

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

If we bond for 1/2 Billion to move the prison, we don't have the bonding avail. for roads, buildings, or water.

The land around the existing prison will drop or freeze in price. You add that much more land available to develop and the existing won't be worth as much. The only city that wins is Draper. Herriman might win eventually if there is a road through Butterfield Canyon.

The thousands of volunteers will not be as close and it would also hurt the visitors coming. Both are used to help prisoners not to come back. Even if we could save a few bucks, at what cost? If you leave those two out, you will need more buildings than we need now.

There isn't the higher education or hospitals where they have discussed moving it. The prison already can't get enough guards because they don't want to commute that far in the future.

I wonder about the $500M to $600M to build a new facility, move, and demo the old one. Perhaps, but in this case it is the staff and the people that cost more.

skitter
Orem, UT

Stuff I have a question for you. There are over a thousand employees who work at the prison. They are now faced with the decision to either move across state or lose your job. What would you say to all of them? And how about volunteers.

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

Wow! Another scheme to take money from taxpayers and give it to private developers.

The Utah Republican
Alpine, UT

In my church we are admonished to visit those in prison. This move seems more like letting developers profit from moving them to where their families can't visit them.

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Not to mention that dozens, if not hundreds, of prisoners have court appearances daily. The increase in transportation and security costs will be huge.

play by the rules
SOUTH JORDAN, UT

The prison is old and in need of renovation and improvements. The real estate where the prison sits is highly valuable. The prison will be updated and the state will recover the tax revenue by opening up high dollar real estate for development and future higher paying jobs. If a DEM proposed this you leftists would be over the moon, but if it comes from the GOP you will cry alligator tears. This is an excellent common sense move for the state of Utah. No, I do not work in real estate.

jaaslc
Salt Lake City, UT

It's a request for proposal. Not a bid. There's a big difference.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Nothing more than class warfare here. Steal from taxpayers and redistribute the wealth to a few private real estate experts and their bought off friends in our state legislature.

Will anyone stand up for the middle-class anymore?

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

@playbytherules, yes, the land is highly valuable to developers, but the study done a few years ago indicated that the move was not cost effective. This is not a Democrat vs. Republican issue, so don't try to devolve the conversation to gutter politics. I do not believe this prison is conducive to state tax coffers for two reasons: 1.) Income taxes from new businesses are minimal due to the problem of the state giving 20 year tax holidays (incentives) for new/relocating business. 2.) Gains made in personal income tax collections from new employees or population growth are negated by the increased number of children these workers bring with them and needing of an education and the funding that goes with it. Now, if a bunch of single people moved into the area and were paying the full amount of income taxes on their new "high" salaries, there might be a net benefit to the state. Besides the developers, the only winners in this prison fiasco, is Draper City and Salt Lake County who stands to gain from property tax infusions (unless they give it away in the form of tax incentives.)

stuff
Provo, UT

@Skitter - I would say the same thing that is being said to dozens and dozens of employees I work with in Lindon - move to Oregon or lose your job in x months. It stinks but that's part of life and happens to a good portion of us at one time or another.

There are people in other areas who will take up the opportunity to make visits, find employment, etc.

The money will be spent to either upgrade the existing prison or to build a new one. It's better to build a new one that meets current standards and use the land for other needful purposes.

Don't whine about taxes or the children. The children are fine and the taxes will be spent, regardless. It's inevitable. It's not class warfare, stealing from the needy or greedy poor. It's a requirement for our society as much as schools, roads and other infrastructure. The only way we wont need a prison is if everyone were law-abiding and kept each other safe.

Go to other states and most prisons are away from populated areas by design. It's time we adjust to the needs we face.

cns
St George, Utah

socialize costs -- privatize profits

SLC Grandma
Salt Lake City, UT

I hope the committee will compare the existing structure upgrade costs to the new construction/relocation costs very thoroughly before choosing one way or the other, and not by swayed by political or private concerns. The points made by others in opposition to re-location are certainly very valid, such as extra travel for visits by family and volunteers and distance and time for transport of prisoners to SLC for hearings, not to mention the already over-crowded conditions and road congestion of the south end of our valley.

I'd say that unless there's an overwhelming difference in cost and other advantages to building a new facility "somewhere out there", upgrades to the existing facility should be made as efficiently as possible as needed.

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