SpokaneUte:" Question: I know who the Cougs are, but who are the Dawgs
in your screen name?"Sorry, didn't see this question until
now. The Dawgs in my screen name is for Goergia. Been a Dawg fan since I was 8
yrs old when I used to live there. GO DAWGS!!
BYU had to. Utah didn't.
UteologyLOL over your obsession to archive and bring up quotes from
me, Duckhunter and PAC 10.2 Doormat over the Utes decision to schedule Fresno
over BYU. As Duckhunter said so eloquently above... the hypocrisy is rampant.BYU scheduling Fresno St doesn't change a thing except from the
crimson bubble view from the kids on the hill.Fresno State is an
upgrade from Idaho State and Northern Colorado, that's all you will get out
of me but the fact remains Utah skipped BYU for Fresno State.BYU
improved its schedule. Utah didn't. Period
Lotsa utah "fan" hypocrisy here, I don't see any BYU fan hypocrisy.
BYU fan panned utah because utah scheduled fresno to replace BYU. utah
"fans" have been thelling us that is the case for months now. utah
didn't replace BYU with michigan, they replace BYU with fresno they
claim.BYU on the otherhand scheduled fresno as a game, not to
"replace" anyone else, not because they are better or worse than anyone
else, simply because they are a game for the schedule. The best part
of this has been motrtrike's and val's "frantic and emotional"
posts and in naval's case it was particularly desperate. LOL!And of course neither of them can point out one single post where a BYU fan
has claimed fresno is a "top" or "great" team, nor can they
supply one quote of a BYU fan claiming what they said BYU fans claimed on utah
articles about fresno. In otherwords hypocrisy and dishonesty are rampant among
utah "fans". Now news there.
@CougsnDawgsFair enough. It's really time for Utah and BYU to start
beating the better teams. Both have proved they can beat the weaker teams, but
just can't get it done against the better teams. Let's hope for better
results this year and good luck to the Cougs as well. Question: I know who the
Cougs are, but who are the Dawgs in your screen name?
SpokaneUte:"When you have to go to the other's recieving votes to
end off the rankings; does it really matter? Both team have a lot to prove;
I'm sure we can both agree to that. With the schedules; the opportunity is
certainly there".Nope, I agree it doesn't matter, which is
why I implied that in my comment to Ute buster. I was only pointing out that i
disagreed with your assessment that the same could be said for Utah. I agree that both teams have a lot to prove, but I like how you called it
opportunity. That's why this feels like one of the most anticipated
exciting seasons ever, because the schedules have lots of opportunity for all
big 3 programs to prove themselves. Good luck to the utes.
@CougsnDawgsWhen you have to go to the other's recieving votes
to end off the rankings; does it really matter? Both team have a lot to prove;
I'm sure we can both agree to that. With the schedules; the opportunity is
certainly there. @WisccougAlways enjoy your well though
out comments; Rock On Guy!
SpokeUte:Fresno is only 5 spots ahead of BYU, not "well
ahead"...ya, nice try. Utah is what?...like 30-40 spots behind Fresno. Not
really comparable.I agree that both schools will need to be much
better to have positive outcomes this yr. Good luck to them both, and the Aggies
who will squeak by Boise and win the MWC.
SpokaneUte & Motorbike:I think there's some truth to what you
guys are insinuating but the argument you're making doesn't fit the
context of the situation. BYU fans made fun of Utah for scheduling Fresno State
in REPLACEMENT of BYU. At least I speak for myself and I believe Wiscoug and
some others, that what irritated BYU fans wasn't the fact it was Fresno St
as much as the fact the Bulldogs were who Utah decided to replace BYU with
instead of a higher quality opponent. If the roles were reversed, I don't
think you would have any BYU fans agree to replacing the Utah rivalry with
Fresno St. I love the rivalry (though I could certainly live without it) and
REPLACING the rivalry game for Fresno wouldn't make me or other Cougar fans
very happy (even though Fresno is a solid program).Ute buster:"The coaches poll that came out today shows Fresno at #31, well ahead of
Utah. I think this is a good trade and will provide a quality opponent".That may be the case this yr, but Fresno is up and down, so who knows where
they'll be ranked in 2015.
@Ute BusterI gues the same could be said for Utah, since Fresno is
well ahead of BYU. Nice try though.Utah faces 5 preseason top 25
teams. BYU face 4. A daunting schedule for both schools. Time to step it up a
The coaches poll that came out today shows Fresno at #31, well ahead of Utah. I
think this is a good trade and will provide a quality opponent.
RE: Spokane UteI too agree that Fresno State is a solid program--not
one that I'm overly excited about playing--especially in November, but a
good program nonetheless. I also agree with you that many BYU fans probably
think more highly of FSU now from what they felt when Utah dropped BYU to play
them... fan bias affects the best of us. Where I take issue is
making sweeping generalizations about entire fan bases, based on the opinions of
a handful of vocal fans. Most fans don't have to backpedal or flip flop
because they never expressed their opinions in the first place. As you (Spokane
Ute) are one of the more reasonable anit-BYU posters I think you can appreciate
@ Wisconsincoug,You may want to revisit comments by
CougarOnTheProwl, Zorro, Sports Authority and Cougar Independence. All iterated
the quality of Fresno, as they should. Did numerous BYU fans feel just the
opposite when Utah scheduled them? Absolutely, don't kid your self. The fact of the matter is that Fresno St is a pretty solid program. The
best? no, but certainly far from the worst.
@SkywalkerThat is a good point, but may I suggest that there are
more important things in this life than money (heaven forfend). I don't
think the LDS church or BYU are in financial trouble. It's cool to be on
television, but are kickoffs at 8:30 in November worth it? I think it would be
in the best interest of the players to have all conference honors awards,
championships to play for, etc. I think playing in the MWC would provide an
easier path to the BCS. USU was on chip shot field goal away from the Orange
Bowl.@NavalVetValid points there. None of the original
MWC are scheduling BYU, but I don't think they are trying to get them on
the schedule. I just had to point out the article that Harmon wrote and how
ridiculous it was. When two out of three teams are scheduling with BYU,
it's not a boycott. When Fresno State and Nevada bailed on the WAC because
of "the Project," I thought they wouldn't schedule BYU, but it
proved they have no hard feelings. Good luck to your Utes--except when they
play the Wildcats!
RE: Spokane Ute, MotorbikeOf the now 41 comments on this board, I
find exactly ZERO BYU fans who claim Fresno is "wonderful" or a
"tough opponent." At least three did concede that FSU is in good
recruiting territory, and most have stated that FSU is a "good" or
"quality" opponent. I assert that Fresno is a step-up from Idaho and
New Mexico State (former November opponents) and agree that it is a decent
regional matchup. If you are going to make generalizations about
BYU fans please back those up with actual evidence. I would love to see what
you can dig up that shows "BYU fans backpedal on everything they said about
Fresno St." I rarely read and almost never post on Utah articles, so I
don't know what was said but I would guess that a few anti-Utah trolls
(yes, we have some of those too) said what you're suggesting, while actual
BYU fans posted about how dropping BYU for Fresno is a step down (which it was).
@ MotorbikeMy thoughts exactly. When Utah scheduled Fresno, all you
could hear about is how weak they were and how they scheduled a patsy. Now that
BYU has scheduled them, they are wonderful; a tough opponent, that opens up
recruiting territory. Hypocritacal to say the least; but par for the course.
you seriously suggesting that Fresno State is a tougher opponent than Utah? And
that BYU should replace Utah with Fresno State for recruiting purposes?"Funny, how absurd that sounds when you substitute Utah for BYU, but
that's exactly the narrative Utah fans have been pushing since Utah
replaced BYU with Fresno State.-------------Why is it so
hard for BYU fans to understand? It wasn't about replacing BYU with Fresno
State.It was the combination of Michigan, Utah State, and Fresno
State replacing BYU. BYU fans are fixated with the weaker of the three teams
because that gives them some talking points.
I live in Oregon and was born here. The rivalry between Oregon and Oregon State
is intense, but it is fun. I am amazed to see the vitriol in the Utah/BYU
rivalry. I can only assume that it is based on a religious dispute.
Wildcat:"Wait a minute...Dick Harmon assured me the Mountain
West was boycotting BYU...I can't remember if the Purloin in Provo Game
against SDSU was when they were independent or not--frankly I don't really
care to look it up, but let's say it is, that leaves only four teams in the
conference they haven't played or scheduled since then: Wyoming, Colorado
State, Air Force, and New Mexico."First off, that "Purloin
in Provo" game against SDSU was back in 2010, when the Y was still playing
in the MWC, so that just shot your assumption down to "H-e-double hockey
stick". Second, the only MWC team who had ever played a down
vs. the cougars as a fellow MWC peer, who had agreed to schedule the Indy-WACers
since they announced their intention to secede, was TCU. And THAT game was a
one-off in TCU's backyard. All those OTHER MWC teams (Haw, SJSU, FSU, UNR,
USU, and BSU) were playing in the WAC back then (2010). Thus far, neither SDSU,
Wyo, CSU, AFA, nor UNM -- the "original MWC teams" -- had agreed to
schedule our little brother.
Wildcat"If BYU is already loading up MWC teams because the big
conference teams are demanding 2 for 1s, why not just play in the
conference?"two "words": ESPN, BYUtvBYU has
a MUCH better contract with ESPN than they'd be part of as a member of the
MWC.And, having unfettered access to re-broadcast any BYU game
televised by ESPN.By staying Independent, BYU has much more
flexibility in scheduling big name teams like Notre Dame, Texas, Nebraska,
Michigan, and USC. Plus, having ESPN as a partner opens the door to
made-for-television games like BYU's games versus Oklahoma and TCU in
Dallas Cowboys Stadium, and future similar games with versus West Virginia and,
likely, Nebraska.The slight down side is having a tiered-bowl
structure with better bowls for better performance, but that's being
addressed, and with the ever-changing landscape of college football, nobody
knows for sure how bowl tie-ins, or even access to the playoffs for the MWC,
will play out in the next few years.
Solid game in November - I'm happy with the schedule. Holmoe is doing a
LonestarRunner:"Are you seriously suggesting that Fresno State
is a tougher opponent than Utah? And that BYU should replace Utah with Fresno
State for recruiting purposes?"No, motorbike was commenting on
how "hilarious" it's been "watching BYU fans backpedal on
everything they said about Fresno St when Utah scheduled them." In no way
can that be interpreted as motorbike "suggesting that Fresno State is a
tougher opponent than Utah". You frantically and emotionally made that up.
Just another strawman from little brother. Typical coug.
Uteology#34 BYU ended up playing a superior opponent in their bowl
than #39 Utah.#35 Tulsa (ranked even higher pre-bowl) > #56 Ga
Tech (lowest ranked team of the four)BYU's "ceiling",
was finishing in the Top 25, #25 Coaches/#26 AP, better than all but 7 teams in
Utah's entire history!Utah's "ceiling", was not
getting a single vote in either poll, as usual, and playing a New Year's
Eve game in El Paso, ugh!
Wait a minute...Dick Harmon assured me the Mountain West was boycotting BYU.
This year is a good schedule for BYU, but the future schedules
aren't too thrilling...yet. They should really try to get in the Big 12,
but I don't they will come calling. The Big 12 is pushing eastward.If BYU is already loading up MWC teams because the big conference teams
are demanding 2 for 1s, why not just play in the conference? I can't
remember if the Purloin in Provo Game against SDSU was when they were
independent or not--frankly I don't really care to look it up, but
let's say it is, that leaves only four teams in the conference they
haven't played or scheduled since then: Wyoming, Colorado State, Air
Force, and New Mexico. A lot of fans on this board want to play Air
Force, and I don't blame them, but that means basically three teams are
keeping you out of a conference. Why not just join, and play in what
essentially replaced the Big East as the last AQ?Good pickup,
especailly late in the year.All the best,your pal
@LonestarRunner"Are you seriously suggesting that Fresno State
is a tougher opponent than Utah? And that BYU should replace Utah with Fresno
State for recruiting purposes?"Funny, how absurd that sounds
when you substitute Utah for BYU, but that's exactly the narrative Utah
fans have been pushing since Utah replaced BYU with Fresno State.
motorbikePlaying a tough schedule is meaningless if Utah
doesn't win. Except for scheduling three in-state opponents, and two of
them expected to be very good, Utah had very little to do with the projected
toughness of their schedule. It's simply the luck of the draw.
dden45"People only disparaged Utah for scheduling Fresno in
place of scheduling BYU because Dr. Chris Hill was afraid to play both BYU and
Michigan. Don't pretend it to be anything else."No need to
pretend, it's all still in writing if you want to search the past articles.
No question about it my friend, plenty of your cougar buddies
"disparaged" Utah for more than you choose to admit in regard to
scheduling the bulldogs. And by the way, when BYU plays a schedule
as tough as what Utah now faces each year, then and only then will we listen to
your silly remarks about who Utah chooses to schedule with it's remaining 3
motorbikeAre you seriously suggesting that Fresno State is a tougher
opponent than Utah? And that BYU should replace Utah with Fresno State for
CougarSunDevilPhoenix, AZUteologyI'd take the
New Mexico bowl over the bowl game the Utes went to last year.---------------Like you had any choice, that was your ceiling
after Utah pounded you 54-10 @LES.
Who leads the all-time series between BYU and Fresno?
People only disparaged Utah for scheduling Fresno in place of scheduling BYU
because Dr. Chris Hill was afraid to play both BYU and Michigan. Don't
pretend it to be anything else.
This was a great rivalry in the making! We always loved going to the FSU game!
It's hilarious watching BYU fans backpedal on everything they said about
Fresno St when Utah scheduled them.Suddenly Fresno really is a good
recruiting game and is a solid opponent.I love it.
I'm glad both teams are putting the past behind them.
UteologyI'd take the New Mexico bowl over the bowl game the
Utes went to last year.
BYU has not played Fresno State in a long time so it will be good to rekindle an
old WAC rivalry. Fresno is a solid program so I am good with this future match
Funny how both BYU AND Utah play Fresno St. in 2015 but some commenters will
seek to disparage BYU for scheduling this game. Nobody gets to
schedule EVERY game tough. This is a nice regional game to balance out the
howieRemind us how Utah's "warm-up" game with Utah
State went last season. As SSJ mentioned, MWC teams have begun to schedule the
Utes as a warm-up game.
Howie---I doubt the utes beat Weber.
Howard S.And Utah plays Colorado in November as what, the annual
pillow fight in the Rockies to decide which team gets to spend the next 8 months
in the basement?That tells you all you need to know about just how
relevant the Utes are.
@talkinsportsI agree, it's a great game for recruiting North
Cal and it's much better than playing teams like Idaho State in
November.But you are playing 3 MWC teams in Nov 2015. Now if you
can only get the Boise game moved to November. If so, then you can unofficially
challenge for a MWC title and a chance at the Vegas Bowl.
@Howard,You are mistaken. Fresno plays Utah as a warm-up game in
September not the other way around.
@talkinsportsUtah plays Fresno as a warmup game in September... BYU
plays them in the November, in the heart of the schedule...That
tells you all you need to know about the relative stature of Utah and BYU... and
Howard"Didn't the Big Sky pass over BYU...?"No, but after seeing Utah get manhandled on their home field by 10-loss
Colorado, No. Colorado reportedly asked the Big Sky to extend an invitation to
talkinsports, first off, "ute alumni" isn't a Utes fan, he/she is a
Utes troll.Secondly, no Utah fans have mocked BYU's series with
Fresno, simply pointed out the irony behind BYU getting a home-and-home with
them after so many Cougs fans mocked Utah for doing so.
"Utah enhances their exposure into northern CA by playing Fresno" --
Jeeves"...how many games exactly would be too many to play in a
recruiting rich state?... I applaud this decision [by Hill and Whittingham to
schedule Fresno State]" -- Naval Vet"Any chance Utah gets to
increase exposure to California schools should be taken." -- ute4ever"go witt... great selection. fresno state has a stellar track record
as a football powerhouse" -- ute alumni
I'm not thrilled about this matchup for November, but it is a step up from
Idaho and New Mexico state, and is consistent with what Holmoe has been doing
(placing easier games before difficult contests, i.e. Wisconsin, ND, Nebraska,
USC). This is probably a wise move for BYU, it's just hard to get excited
"Fresh Fresno cupcakes... LOL" -- sammyg "Can we say...
desperate to become bowl eligible" -- PAC 10.2 Doormat"I am
certainly enjoying this development. LOL! ... how come utah couldn't get a
2 for 1 with fresno?" -- Duckhunter
@deductive reasoningJoin the Big Sky... Didn't the Big Sky pass
over BYU just like every other football conference in the country?
BYU needs to schedule Air Force. They have an opening each year beyond 2015.
That is really the only game from MWC I miss.Get AFA inked!!!
howieColorado in November... might as well join the Big Sky.
Glad to see BYU get more quality November games on the schedule. Also a road
game in recruiting hub of California is always nice. Now watch utah
fans try to down play the series, just don't tell them about how Utah
didn't have the moxy to play BYU and chose to play this MWC team instead -
Fresno State. At least Fresno State has the moxy to play BYU. Wish
I could say the same for the little brother on the hill. Go Cougars!
Fresno in November... might as well join the MWC.
Its ironic that Fresno State had already scheduled a series with Utah in the
recent past. Fresno is a fairly strong program that typically has a winning
record, so it is the type of program I enjoy seeing.
Great job Tom!A November home-and-home with an up-and-coming program
in the heart of fertile California recruiting territory.