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Published: Tuesday, July 30 2013 9:10 p.m. MDT

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Albert Maslar CPA (Retired)
Absecon, NJ

Science has proven the developing baby in the womb is alive, has brain activity, the lack of which is used to determine death. The fetus is in fact a child. An old axiom, "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck." All the signs prove it is a baby developing in the womb, and all the polls are meaningless in that the issue of abortion, the taking of the most defenseless life is not subject to vote but to the Creator alone. 3D/4D ultrasound shows the baby alive and well and doctors do successful procedures and surgeries on these babies in the womb. Validity of abortion is not dependent upon polls. The brutal fact is that there have been about 55 Million abortions in the US since the 1973 passage of Roe v, Wade. That number plus progeny would be about 100 Million today, one-third of the total population of the US. The economy continues treading precariously along as it has lost 100 Million customers. Abortion kills more than babies.

Larceny
Rural Hall, USA, NC

Why don't we ask all of these children who are being born this year how they feel about Abortion? Let's wait 7-10 years and ask them if they believe we should have allowed more abortions and thinned their class sizes out a bit.

CynicJim
Taylorsville, UT

With the exception of rape or incest abortion is a choice like smoking, drinking, driving, having sex or any other nonessential activities. Soooo, since it is a choice the user should also pay for accidents like a car wreck, a DUI, lung cancer, and so on. I'm not willing to pay for accidents in other choices, I'm also not willing for my taxes to be used for " choice" problems. Maybe an insurance policy can be purchased for such accidents.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Let's talk about sex like adults, and recognise that it is fun and natural for people to do. Therefore, we need to make protection and prevention a part of the dialogue, and get it out of the realm of 'dirty'. If you don't like abortion, do what you can to help people not need it.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

I think the parameters used to determine when human life ends should be used to determine when human life begins. If a person has no heartbeat, and the brain waves have flatlined, we have a dead human being. Conversly, when it can be determined that a baby in the womb has a heartbeat and brainwave activity can be detected, that should qualify as a living human being. Simple. Now the question becomes, under what circumstances to we allow human beings to be killed. All the time, only under certain circumstances, or never. That's the not so simple part. But please don't try to claim abortion is not killing a human being. Your tonsils or appendix do not grow into people, a fetus does.

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

Only the most depraved would support abortion after witnessing one, especially with the knowledge that it was performed for "convenience".

I cannot support abortion because of promiscuity, I can for rape, incest or fear for a mothers life.

Supporters need more information and maybe some conscience re-hab.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Can you be sealed to an unborn child or still born?
Than someone must believe life begins with the first breath.

George
New York, NY

the above comments so beautifully support the professors reasoning. The reason polls will never acuratlly be able to gage the publics true attitudes on this issue is that over symblisic hyperbol and not a well examined and reasoned discussion dominates the discourse on this very complex issue. This issue will remain a fire storm as long as people try to boiler plate it down to simple sound bits and propaganda slogans.

George
New York, NY

@albert masler

Actuay science makes no claims as to when life begins and in terms of when life ends there is actually little concensious within science.

eman
Kaysville, UT

I don't believe whether or not someone can be sealed is a good indicator of one's belief in whether or not they are alive. There are many that cannot be sealed that are alive, and there are many that are dead that can be sealed.

SoCalChris
Riverside, CA

I agree that the abortion debate should not be reduced to bumper stickers and slogans. Having been through 3 pregnancies with my wife, I find the thought of any abortion horrifying, but I see a world of difference between an early abortion and a late term one.

I can't see making all abortions illegal and that will never happen, but I do favor a ban on late term abortion. I'd like to see more informed consent and notification requirements for any abortion. Many women are wracked with guilt when they come to understand better the nature of abortion after the fact.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@George

Albert Maslar did not say when life begins, just that is a life.

And it is human life and nothing lese.

That fact remains there is a beating heart and brain activity by the end of the first trimester.

Within the next two months the baby is fully formed and just maturing, growing bigger and stronger until it is born.

You can decide what that means.

George
New York, NY

I@george

What?

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Let us assume that a fetus is not a full human life - that it is something less. The question becomes, how much less and why?

Viability is an often used standard but there are, of course, fully adults who are not very viable on their own and without machines to shore up their life processes.

Intelligence? Maybe. But we have full humans who are on the low end of the intelligence scale and we would not consider (at least in today's world) killing them for their lack of intelligence.

I don't know the answer to what the line should be. But let me say emphatically that we would not allow someone to kill dogs for convenience the way we allow them to terminate a human fetus. There would be a public outcry.

Should we have abortion that is safe and legal? Yes. But for medical reasons. Not for simple convenience. If it were solely a medically-based decision, there would be far less of it and the resistance to the remaining amount of abortion would be minimal.

George
New York, NY

Sorry that was suppose to be at @truth

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

I don't believe that life begins at conception. I respect others' right to believe that it does.

I do not think that the government should be inserting itself into private medical decisions between a woman and a doctor.

Having said that, I do not favor late term abortions. I might be agreeable to abortions before two months. If someone is pro-choice, it might help all of us to explain why you have reached the conclusion that a fetus at 20 weeks old is not alive, i.e. it is only a growth like an appendix. Explain your reasoning, it would help us a lot.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Having been in a delivery room, with my wife, and her doctor, in an emergency delivery...

I changed my mind and understood better what the LDS Church statement is regarding abortion - even for late term abortions.

As the doctor was scrubbed, and the emergency crash cart was rolled in - her doctor turned to us and speaking to my wife said, "I just want you to know, that if there is a choice to be made, I will be saving you 1st, and doing whatever I can to save the baby 2nd. Is that understood?"

He told me afterward that he was thankful there were no politicians in that room telling us how to play doctor or God.

Stay out of it.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@truth

"Albert Maslar did not say when life begins, just that is a life"

then he saying that life has begun which is an opinion not a fact no matter how hard you wish it to be.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

@LDS Liberal 10:16 p.m. July 31, 2013

I have been through the scenario you describe only, in my case, I was the one on the delivery table. My OB said the same thing to my husband and me. Your wife's doctor and my doctor were right in their position and choice.

It's time to get politics out of this issue, and leave the choice to the only person and only life-in-being in the equation -- the pregnant woman. I totally support the anti-abortion advocates' right to speak and pontificate but, when all is said and done, it is not their decision to make.

Coach Biff
Lehi, UT

Furry,
Tell me why the baby/fetus/growth, or whatever status you have relegated it to has no standing? Is it not alive?

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