@Jdub, not back tracking at all... You said that the MWC got 4 teams in last
year, they got 5... You said that the total between the WCC and the MWC was 6,
it was 7... I was simply correcting you... I said that the PAC is a "dead
average" conference... It is... You got 5 in 2013, but you only got 2 in in
2012 (worse than both the WCC and the MWC individually)... Those are the 2 years
Utah has been in... Dead Average.@ StGtoSLC... I fail to see your
point with your regurgitation of my type o ridden comment? What about that is
"contradictory"?The second comment that you reprinted dealt
with FB... Your man Jdub was implying that since y'all finally had a close
game with BYU last year that your team was almost as good... It's NOT... I
actually found that his efort to make such a point is contradictory to what utie
fans have repeatedly said on these boards about close FB games between BYU and
the uties... As far as being "taken serious" is concerned, I
know what you mean, for instance, I don't even read your stuff unless I see
poyman, you're so self-contradicting nobody can take you seriously:"BYU made it to the Final Four of the NIT losing to the Champion
(B)aylor, in a close contest...(Gonzaga) lost in a heartbraker t(o) Wichita
State who gave Louisvile their toughest game of the entire tournament."And THEN:"I mean, c'mon, since when do we get to
Poyman,I think you are back tracking now. I think everyone here agrees
that the MWC is a good basketball conference, but you said the Pac was only darn
average. Both had as many tourney teams (BSU lost in what used to be the play
in game). But the Pac fared better in the tourney with 2 sweet 16 teams, and
the only match up between schools of the two conferences resulted in a win for
Cal from the Pac-12.During the regular season Utah beat both Oregon (sweet
16) and BSU (BSU convincingly), and beat Cal in the conference tournament.
Showing significant improvement over the previous year thanks to an excellent
coaching job by Coach K.Congrats to BYU and their run in that tournament
as well, Im sure as a fan it was fun.
@Jdub... I think that I said the MWC put as many teams in the 2013 NCAA
Tounament as the big bad PAC12... I think both put 5 teams in... the MWC was
UNM, CSU, UNLV, SDSU, and Boise State... In 2012 the PAC12 had 2
teams in. The WCC only put their standard 2 teams in this year but
as you may recall BYU made it to the Final Four of the NIT losing to the
Champion aylor, in a close contest. In addition to that Gonzaga held the #1
ranking more weeks than any other school during the season... They lost in a
heartbraker t Wichita State who gave Louisvile their toughest game of the entire
tournament..I do remember reading a headling towards the end of last
season that said Utah could "snag" 10th place in the Conference... And
they did, so I guess that was an improvment.As for the Oregon
game??? Everybody has a Sac State Game once in awhile.As for the
uties almost beating BYU... I mean, c'mon, since when do we get to count
"almost"... If "almost" counts then 2 of the last 3 games
between the uties and BYU don't count...LOL...
oh man, thank goodness for people like Poyman who troll these boards. What a
StGtoSLC,Very true, I decided against including Boise St. mostly because I
feel like those play in games dont really count. Now that I think about it, if
you include that round I may not have counted Boise as one of the tourney teams
from the MWC. That would put MWC conference as having an equal number of teams
as the PAC, still hardly domination.Though that does give Utah another win
over a tourney team if you count that round. Which I personally do not since it
is relatively new and just a different spin on play in games.Adding Boise
St., or leaving them, out turns out to be mostly a wash.If you read
this post you just got a glimps into my mind, as I just typed what came into my
head as it came into it.
@ApacheNaiche"then you've got my full and undivided
attention."Utah already has your "full and undivided
attention", which is proven by the fact that you are reading and commenting
on a Utah story.Nice try. Come again.Go Utes! Go Coach
jdub1942, also factor in that Utah tore apart the only MWC team on their
schedule (who was also an NCAA tourney team), and poyman has even less of a leg
to stand on.
Poyman,I hope you don’t think I’m just gunning for you,
I’m sure you’re a great person.However, as for your
point about Utah not getting any better consider this. Yes, Utah has had some
clunkers over the past few seasons under coach K, including Sac State. Consider
that was at the start of the season, around the same time that Utah nearly upset
the mighty Cougars of BYU (congrats cougs on the win).By the end of the
season Utah clearly showed improvement under coach K. Evidence of this can was
seen when Utah beat Oregon at home, the same Oregon that made it all the way to
the Sweet 16 (that’s how far BYU got w/jammer just for a personal
reference). Utah followed that up with 2 wins in the Pac-12 tourney, including
an overtime win over California, an NCAA tournament team (Cal beat UNLV in the
tournament, as to your point about the MWC being superior than the Pac-12).
Poyman,Yes the Pac-12 was very much down in 2012, unfortunately for you
argument the Pac-12 was very much improved in 2013 over the previous year. In
2013 the Pac-12 sent 5 teams to the tournement (41%) while the MWC sent 4 teams,
and the WCC sent 2 for a total of 6 teams between the two conferences. Only
one more from both of those conferences combined than the little ole Pac-12. By
the time the "Sweet 16" rolled around the Pac-12 had 2 teams left while
the MWC and WCC had a total of 0.
@myperspective,One more thing... Playing in a "real
conference"??? The PAC12 has been a very weak basketball conference for the
last few years... When you make a statement like that I assume that you are
trying to knock the WCC, or the MWC... Both of these conferences have pretty
much matched the NCAA invites of the PAC12... In fact the WCC and it's tiny
9 team membership put more teams in the NCAA Tourney in 2012 than the big bad
PAC12... And last year the MWC put as many teams in... When it comes to head to
head match-ups I guarantee you BYU, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, UNLV, San Diego
State, Colorado State, New Mexico and even Wyoming have demonstrated their
ability to put top PAC12 teams to shame... And the Big West and the WAC and
virtually any average team in the MWC and the WCC have put the Utes to shame.When it come to Basketball the PAC12 is a dead average conference...
I have to admit, I am sorry to see Chapman go to Utah... I would have loved to
have had him at BYU along with Dastrup, Mika, Haws, Emery, Nixon, Toolson,Aytes,
Shaw, Worthington, Chatman and Hartsock... That team has the real possibility of
"Final Four" written all over it...I had to chuckle when I
read myperspective's post however, when he said: "Is there a coach in
Utah more qualified than Coach K to help him achieve that goal if that is in
fact what he wants? Nope!"... LOL... Yep there is no coach in Utah that can
give hima better opportunity to play at the next level... Truth is that there
are three that are better Rose, Morrill, and Rahe and it's too early to
know if UVU's or Southern Utah's coaches would be better...As far as Utah getting better?... A big LOL... I mean c'mon, over the
last two years they have lost to some Division II Baptist team out of Texas and
the mighty Sacramento State Hornets out of the Big West, both on their home
floor... Over the last 7 years they are 1-11 against BYU... Can it get worse?
CougFaninTX"Last year, BYU had two great players and several
good players. It was not enough to get us into the NCAA."While I
agree that it certainly may take more than two great players (and we don't
even know if Chapman and Loveridge will be great), I wouldn't be surprised
to see Utah be immediately more successful in the Tourney than BYU has been
(once Utah gets there of course). Why? I've been saying it for several
years, Rose's style of play is fun but unlikely to produce great postseason
results. Meanwhile LK has installed a system extremely similar to that of Rick
Majerus - we all know what that produced._____"I
wouldn't bet the double wide on a conference championship yet and an NCAA
invite is still a distant dream."I agree with this as well. This
is a VERY young Utah team and they'll still take some serious lumps,
particularly in conference play. The key here is simply that the program
continues to take the next step. Chapman is yet another step in the right
Who's Brekkott Chapman? Now if it's the Lone Peak boys we're
talking about, then you've got my full and undivided attention.
lc--"Chapman is a great addition for Utah -- and kudos to the
Utes.The major irritation I have about this article is that
Utah's coaches clearly outworked Dave Rose and his team in recruiting.I am totally disappointed with Rose's tenacity in recruiting
outside of Utah County. I love what the Cougars get from Lone Peak and Orem High
. . . but do not think that Rose has demonstrated the capability to compete with
other schools for top-tier players outside of the shadows of Y Mountain."Bingo! You're the lone byu fan I've witnessed who actually
gets it. These local kids would've chosen to play at byu, regardless of
the HC. I see this for what it is, as well, which is a case of a fluke
occurring and them just simply happening to fall into rose's lap, most
certainly not as a result of anything he, himself, did to attract them.Furthermore, it's also definitely not because of his Tourney record, as
evidenced when he couldn't even get his team past The Sweet 16 w/The
National POY in his fold!
cfit--"I just don't think that Loveridge and Chapman
playing together for 2 years is enough to push the Utes over the hump. Other
than these two, I see the the rest of the Ute recruits as good but not
great."You don't consider kids such as Delon Wright [older
brother currently playing in The Association], who doesn't arrive w/the
hype of a ranking since he's coming from a J.C., and Kenneth Ogbe,
who's coming in from his native Germany and doesn't come in w/the hype
of a ranking, as a result.Not to mention the domino-effect sure to
follow w/other highly-touted recruits, as a direct result of kids such as JL/BC
committing to The U. Trust me on this one, BC's commitment to The U is
going to have a significantly greater impact on our proud/storied program and
its inevitable return to business-as-usual than you and others such as yourself,
who're equally opposed to The U, wish to acknowledge.We're
rapidly coming back in full-force, whether you like it or not, so get used to
Best of luck to this young man at the U and to that program as well.Most rational fans would enjoy having four strong basketball programs in the
state. Having two or three teams ranked on a consistent basis would help all
in-state schools recruit, both in-state, but more importantly, out of state.I, for one, would be thrilled to have the U land recruits equivalent to
Tom Chambers and Danny Vranes and have them play the Y's modern day
equivalents to Danny Ainge and Fred Roberts. Great basketball, great rivalry,
@motorbike - thanks for catching my typo. I meant two years, not 3.I just don't think that Loveridge and Chapman playing together for 2
years is enough to push the Utes over the hump. Other than these two, I see the
the rest of the Ute recruits as good but not great. Last year, BYU
had two great players and several good players. It was not enough to get us
into the NCAA. I think a team has to have at least three great
players to really make a run.Will the 2014 Utes be better than the
2011 or 2012 Utes? Absolutely! I'm just saying I wouldn't bet the
double wide on a conference championship yet and an NCAA invite is still a
Very nice pickup for the Utes!!! Hope you and your new teammates do well against
everyone but my Cougs!!! Looking forward to many great years of competition
between our two schools in all sports!!!Go Cougs!!!Go Utes!!!
DN moderators, there were no "personal attacks" in my statement:"It's a pretty sad showing of disrespect when so many people
from a state and religious community that pride themselves on their morals and
being Christlike to everybody can so suddenly turn to belittling a kid and his
abilities, not necessarily because he didn't choose to go to school and
play at the school they wanted him to, but because he chose to go to school and
play at the exact school they DIDN'T want him to. Here's one Utes fan
who is excited to see how the local talent performs WHEREVER they play, but
especially happy when they choose the University of Utah."
It'll be great to see what Chapman can do against the other dominant bigs
in the conference. It'd be great to see Andrus join in the mix as well. I
think securing the best local talent is the best way to continue reviving the
local fan support.
Chapman is a great addition for Utah -- and kudos to the Utes.The
major irritation I have about this article is that Utah's coaches clearly
outworked Dave Rose and his team in recruiting.I am totally
disappointed with Rose's tenacity in recruiting outside of Utah County. I
love what the Cougars get from Lone Peak and Orem High . . . but do not think
that Rose has demonstrated the capability to compete with other schools for
top-tier players outside of the shadows of Y Mountain.Kick it into a
higher gear, Brother Rose. Being complacent does not impress me!
Huge, huge get for my Alma Mater! Welcome aboard, Brekkott Chapman!
Congrats to the Utes for landing a great recruit! It makes for a more exciting
match up when the two schools (Utah and BYU) meet. Bragging rights as to who
got the better recruits can only be determined after then. And
congrats to Coach K too! He has definitely done a magnificent job considering
the mess he inherited when some of the best players in their program bolted
after their former coach was released. Ute basketball is on the rise for sure
and this cougar fan is happy for them. Can't wait for basketball season to
Well done coaches ! Thank You Mr. Chapman for your commitment. The
round ball future looks good up on the hill. It's good to be a Ute !
Huge kudos to LK and staff. This is a big time get and the type of recruit who
will help bring other strong recruits to the hill. This program has had
it's nose in the dirt for too long and good fans have never deserted it.
It's been wonderful to watch the growth of this program as they claw their
way back to respectability and when they begin to dominate in the PAC 12 it will
be all the sweeter!
"I believe Utah is a program on the rise, and I'd love to be part of
that." Brekkott Chapman’Go Utes.
Hey Brekkott, We are so very proud of you and look forward to watching you play
with the Utes. Congratulations bubba, you Rock! Stay grounded, focused and
above all, be yourself and have fun...Enjoy the Ride...
Nice pick up for the Utes.A wisconsincougThanks Man;
really nice to see a classy comment from a BYU fan; well played!
CougFaninTX"...it's going to take more than Loveridge and
Chapman (3 years later) to get the Utes back into contention."Did you read the article? Cut your three years in half ... that's the
amount of time between the two commitments. The best I can do for you is state
that it'll be 2 years between each of their first seasons as Ute players -
still don't know how you get 3 out of that.Additionally, if you
don't think Utah landed any good recruits between landing the two you
mentioned, pay attention to Delon Wright this year, you may be surprised.
Happy, happy, happy
Buck49...Not much fun playing in front of 700 people in San Francisco
against a crew of undersized, under shelling, D2 players.Any descent
player would gauge PAC12 vs WCC and chosen the Conference of Champions...
Great to see the Utah roster with good Utah players.
Congrats to Ute nation, this kid is a stud and a major get for your program. I
wish he would have gone to the Y but still happy that he's decided to stay
in-state. Chapman and Loveridge have the potential to bring Utah back into
basketball relevance. Congrats.
@CougFaninTXNope, just needed to do a simple internet search to find
your ridiculous comment. FYI Champman will be starting next year.
It's good to see the Utes getting back on track. The past few years have
been very atypical. Nobody should be downplaying Chapman's ability, and I
wish he had committed to BYU, but both programs are doing well. I'm just
curious how Dutchman got himself a personal membership in the PAC-12. I know
universities can belong, but I didn't know that just some guy could join.
This is a great, repeat great commitment for the Utah (unlike Chris B. my
comment is realistic). I'm amazed at the lack of class from a few of the
posters and pleased to see the comments from posters like Stonewall who took the
high road - thank you.@down under - ever thought of saying
congratulations or great player? Even die hard Ute fans like myself recognize
talent on other teams (Van Noy, your incoming BB class, etc.). Way to take the
low road.@Ute Buster - you think Ernest T is a serious poster with
serious comments? LOL. While the Y's recruits are excellent players,
Chapman is a higher rated prospect and the comment that both are 'hands
down' better is not supported by any expert opinions.
Welcome to the Utes, Brekott!
@Utelogy - Wow, U've been waiting and hoping for this day for a long time.
I can't believe U hung onto my comment for five months.Chapman
is a great commit for the Utes. He has a very bright future. And while I agree
that Coach Krystowiak (not Coach K) is moving the Utes in the right direction,
it's going to take more than Loveridge and Chapman (3 years later) to get
the Utes back into contention. Kyrstowiak needs to get one or two commits like
this every year.
@slcjimmyLetting you know the day BYU signed a top 50 prospect:
August 30, 2011. TJ Haws, who is rated a notch higher than Chapman, signed last
year. With our own top-50 recruit, like BYU, and steady
improvement under Coach K there is no need to be a slug about the Y. Couldn't agree more with Henry Drummond. We have a great tradition going
back to the Arnie Ferrin playing days. An assistant coach like Chris Burgess
will help the team get back to the attitude that prevailed the last time we were
consistently good under Majerus.
gamer: "but you can't knock him for wnating to be close to
home."The reasons for him choosing Utah over all the other
schools he has offers from are clearly stated in the article. Staying 40 miles
closer to home was not one of them.Go Utes!
Welcome to the Ute Nation!! Great pickup Coach K!!I think BYU fans
will agree that Champion is a great get?@CougFaninTXUtelogy - no need to dream about Brekkott Chapman in 2014. He'll be a
Coug before U know it. Dalton Nixon and Chapman have already said they are going
to play together. U are right - Chapman is very good. -- 5:24 p.m. Feb. 28,
Really nice match of Brekkott and Coach K. Basketball is the focal point, of
course, but there are some similarities in their backgrounds, and Larry provides
a great example of maximizing your circumstances in rising above
expectations.As a player, Larry was a ferocious competitor, even
getting in Shaq's face when they were teammates in the NBA, as a peer
motivator. Brekkott will benefit tremendously from this relationship.Great move for both parties!
He obviously isn't interested in playing fun basketball or winning
gamer"...and prepared him more for the NBA but you can't knock
him for wnating to be close to home."There's no one in the
state more qualified to prepare him for the NBA (if that's what he wants)
than Coach K. It's also clear that he wants to compete at a higher level
in college so the Pac-12 is the obvious choice. Being close to home had nothing
to do with his decision...read the article.
I've read about Chapman. He has the potential to go to the next level. Is
there a coach in Utah more qualified than Coach K to help him achieve that goal
if that is in fact what he wants? Nope! Chapman absolutely made the right
choice. "Chapman has been impressed with Utah's progress
as a program and likes the prospect of playing with Loveridge." "I believe Utah is a program on the rise, and I'd love to be part of
that."Right you are. Well said, young man...welcome to Utah!!
I think Larry is rebuilding the Utah tradition and doing it the right way. Ute
fans began to see the payoff at the end of last year. I think there is more to
Good choice Brekkott. Playing quality teams in a real conference.
To my fellow BYU fans, there's no point in trying to downplay this kid or
display sour grapes. We would have loved to have him. And as much as I think
Utah basketball has deserved every bit of criticism and derision it's
received for allowing itself to fall from a national power to one of the worst
programs in the country as recently as two years ago, I do think Coack K has
done a great job getting them back on track. Getting Loveridge and now Chapman
means they're finally getting the young talent they need to become a
winning program again. Congrats to Chapman and the U, and kudos to Coach K. As
for us at BYU, we're still doing just fine. We had a top-15 recruiting
class last year, and if we get Dastrup, we're poised to have another, if
not better. Basketball as a whole in the state of Utah looks to be on the rise
Hes pritty good but no Jimmers or Shawn Bradley. Final four by 94!
Best player in this country? Really?? Let's not forget Mika and the Haws
kid. They are hands down better and they both ended up at BYU. Utah may be a
bit better this year but BYU will still own for the 12th time out of 13 games.
That my friend is total domination.
GO UTES!This program is on an upswing.
Let me know the day BYU signs a top 50 prospect! This kid is going to do very
well & Ute basketball will be back in full force. As they say in Utah
County..."Mark it down" Go Utes!Go PAC 12!
Smart kid...must have a high IQ... And wants to play big schools...Good job Coach...
Best basketball player this country has seen since Jimmy Chitwood! No doubt
Way to go Utah. Glad you stayed instate and get that degree.
Welcome to Ute Nation Brekkott. The basketball dog days are behind us. On our
way back to restore our proud basketball heritage!Go Utes!Onward and Upward.Way to go Coach K!!
I think this is the guy that Mika and the boys took to the cleaners. It will
continue in college and the Cougars will continue to dominate Utah in
Fantastic! Welcome to the U. I am thrilled with the progress Coach K is making
on the hill.Go Utes!
Here we go!! I love my PAC 12 membership!! Utah is on the move. It will be
nice to have those new b-ball training facilities done when Chapman arrives!
Additional evidence that the Utah basketball program is headed in the right
direction. Kudos to Coach K for his recruiting work.It's a
great day to be a Ute!
I wish him the best! I think he obviously would have thrived more in BYU's
up tempo offense with talent around him and prepared him more for the NBA but
you can't knock him for wnating to be close to home.