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Sen. Lee taking 'last shot' at defeating Obamacare

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  • Larceny Rural Hall, USA, NC
    July 30, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    I just don't see how my paying even more mandatory taxes on my low student income is going to help the millions who are already struggling. I do see, however, how it is really going to hurt me.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    July 29, 2013 4:59 p.m.

    "Obamacare" has to rank as one of the top jokes to come out of Washington with the current administration--and that's saying a lot. But it's a good litmus test: Anyone who doesn't oppose it isn't working for the taxpayers and workers in this country.

  • perhaps Salt Lake City, UT
    July 29, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    If Lee's goal is to sell more copies of his book(s) then he is doing a good job promoting himself. It does not look like he is interested in doing anything else, unfortunately.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    July 29, 2013 5:33 a.m.

    Lee, once again, is part of the problem and not part of the solution. He refuses to be part of the solution. If he doesn't like parts of the Affordable Care Act then he should propose and pass legislation that puts something better in place. The ACA has helped a lot of people, and should stay in place until something better can be instituted.

  • Bob K porland, OR
    July 29, 2013 2:10 a.m.

    I mean really! Look carefully at the face of that man and ask if you see an intelligent person trying to do what is right, or, perhaps, someone of lesser ability who knows what horns to blow in order to please his rich elderly supporters.
    If the republicans would do what is necessary to get the economy going -- including public works projects for our failing infrastructure -- there would be money to send everyone for great healthcare.
    Obstruction, rather than progress, is too typical of this type of politician, and it contributes nothing to the good of America, so it reminds me of subversion.

  • crunchem Cedar City, Utah
    July 29, 2013 1:58 a.m.

    If you attract the ire of Reid, it is likely you're on the right side of the issue.

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 28, 2013 7:11 a.m.

    I find it fascinating that so many readers here have a near-pathological fear of anything "socialistic" in our lives, particularly right after we just finished spending day after day celebrating the lives of the Utah pioneers. It's time to put away the revisionist history versions of them and face reality: most of the pioneers were socialists, including Brigham Young, who had nothing good whatsoever to say about capitalism. They wanted a society where we were all interdependent on each other; a society that provided for the well-being of all its members and not just the well-to-do. And it's also a bit ironic that most of the people screaming about keeping the government out of their medical care would have fits if anyone tried to take away their Medicare. We would be much better off if we just expanded it to cover people of all ages.

  • Bob K porland, OR
    July 28, 2013 2:39 a.m.

    Oh, come on ---
    Most of the opposition is about defeating the President. The House repubs have instituted 37 tries at repeal.
    It won. It is working, spend some time fixing the rest of America.
    It is not socialism to suggest that doctors, hospital, and drug execs with multimillion dollar incomes might be more interested in the status quo. Yes, doctors deserve large incomes if they are good, but millions????? We all end up paying for it

  • George New York, NY
    July 27, 2013 11:44 p.m.

    @Byuum

    Actually Lee is your senator if you live in his district. Civic 101 "alum."

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 27, 2013 7:03 p.m.

    @Truth - there are three recent polls out on public opinion on Obamacare.... Fox, NBC and CBS... Not a single one is even within 20 points of what you are claiming? Not sure you get your information.... but seriously....made up numbers hardly constitute the truth.

    Alt pretty much covered the polls...... please site your source of this so called 70% number. Fox doesn't even mirror your numbers.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    July 27, 2013 6:18 p.m.

    I think that the status quo is what we should strive for as a people. Emergency Room medical care, no coverage if you've been sick before, rampant bankruptcy due to medical bills is far better than any proposal from either the left or the right (oh, wait, the right has proposed NOTHING).

    As one who was bankrupted by medical bills - even though I had insurance, the right thing to do is what Senator Lee proposes - NOTHING. You're sick - too bad. You're working at a job that doesn't have health benefits - too sad for you. Wait for that ear infection to turn into a ruptured ear drum and go to the Emergency Room. That's cost effective medicine for you. That's the American way!

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    July 27, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    Rather than take away the promise of decent health care from poor Americans, if you want to save money why don't you work to defund the congressional retirement system?

    Rather than continue to fight to destroy the Affordable Health Care Act, work with Democrats to make it better. While you are at it please don't exempt congress from being included. Leaders should lead by example.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    July 27, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    Blue: What clause in the Constitution says anything about the federal government giving everyone 'free' health care? Whatever knowledge you espouse about the constitution doesn't exist, unless, of course, you believe that the constitution is something that really doesn't stand for anything, except for what the Supreme Court says. The 'people' are the ultimate arbiters of our republic. The Supreme Court is the third branch of government, whose sole duty is to make sure any law legislated is Constitutional, not whether the constitution needs to be changed to meet their own opinions and bias' about it. I would say Senator Lee understands the Constitution as well as any current sitting Senator. It is no surprise that those who despise the Constitution would also despise someone who understands the three branches of government and what their responsibilities and duties are.

  • ray vaughn Ogden, UT
    July 27, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    I find it rather ironic that Senator Lee complains about the ACA being unaffordable. He seemed to have no qualms about letting his house be sold on a short sale by his mortage holder at a proce less than the outstanding balance due. he also seems to be enrolled in a federal health care plan where the taxpayers are paying 60% of his insurance premium costs.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    @TRUTH
    "With over seventy percent of the American people against Obamacare"

    Seriously... get a new username.

    Fox News Poll
    40% for/favor obamacare, 53% against/oppose
    CBS
    36% for 54% against
    ABC News / Washington Post
    42% for 49% against
    NBC News / Wall Street Journal
    34% for 47% against
    Rasmussen
    45% for 50% against
    Gallup
    44% for 52% against

    This is the current real clear politics list. Average opposition is 50.8%. Here's the catch though... polls (CNN does this) show that a quarter of those that oppose Obamacare do so because they think it's not liberal enough. So with CNN you get ~43% saying support, ~38% saying oppose/not conservative enough and ~13% saying oppose/not liberal enough. So the majority oppose Obamacare... but the majority support Obamacare or want it to be more liberal.

  • not here COLORADO SPRINGS, CO
    July 27, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    Hey Truth: Please provide us with where you came up with the numbers you have posted here. Or are they just some from AM radio, that you are just repeating? And as far as any one supporting Lee, well they better have there tin foil hats checked because they are truly leaking.

  • Edgar Samaria, ID
    July 27, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    ""'It's pretty clear he's interested in being a nationally visible leader of the conservative movement,' said Matthew Wilson, a political science professor at Southern Methodist University in Dallas."

    So now we see what it takes to become a leader in the Republican Party. Just say 'no' to everything the Democratic president has done and that which even the conservative Supreme Court has determined is legal and appropriate.

    Wouldn't it make more sense to actually propose alternative legislation rather than just being negative about that which is already established as national law? Does Senator Lee, or any other elected representative signing on to his proposal, actually think our current healthcare system is serving the public like it should? With 35M without any insurance?

    Leadership - that is a subject that Senator Lee knows nothing about. This proposal is evidence of that.

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    July 27, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    Blue,

    You have just proved that you may be well versed in law and how to manipulate it, but certainly not medicine and how to care for others. Take it from someone in medicine, this law is a joke. You should see all the hoops that you have to jump through that have NOTHING to do with patient care and have made it more costly for MD's and patients. It is a JOKE.

    Bob K,

    Rich Doctors? Doctors earn every dime they get. They go to school for 15+ years, take out hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans, work 60-80 hours a week and are sued at the drop of a hat. They take on huge responsibility and liability in this litigious society. Don't include them in your leftist and jealous top 1% banter.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    With over seventy percent of the American people against Obamacare, one who finds themselves in opposition to the brilliant Sen Lee had better check their tinfoil hat for leaks

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 27, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    "It is important to emphasize that this (Lee's) set of moves is simply unprecedented. The clear comparison is the Medicare prescription-drug plan. When it passed Congress in 2003, Democrats had many reasons to be furious. The initial partnership between President Bush and Senator Kennedy had resulted in an admirably bipartisan bill -- it passed the Senate with 74 votes. Republicans then pulled a bait and switch, taking out all of the provisions that Kennedy had put in to bring along Senate Democrats, jamming the resulting bill through the House in a three-hour late-night vote marathon that blatantly violated House rules and included something close to outright bribery on the House floor, and then passing the bill through the Senate with just 54 votes -- while along the way excluding the duly elected conferees, Tom Daschle (the Democratic leader!) and D-Jay Rockefeller, from the conference-committee deliberations.

    Imagine if Democrats had gone all out to block or disrupt the implementation -- using filibusters to deny funding, sending threatening letters to companies or outside interests who mobilized to educate Medicare recipients, putting on major campaigns to convince seniors that this was a plot to deny them Medicare."
    (Norm Orenstein)

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 27, 2013 7:46 a.m.

    Here is the problem.... it is far to easy to be opposed to something. There is very little work or thinking required. Lee says a lot of the right things here.... politically.... but where he falls short is after saying no, what then are you going to do.

    He opposes Obamacare..... ok..... so what is the plan to keep people from going broke because of medical care cost?

    He opposes Gun control... fine.... but what then is his plan to reduce fun violence?

    He is opposed to NSA snooping.... sounds nice.... but what is he going to do to enable the US to prevent future attacks on our people?

    He is a junior senator, so in my book he does get a pass. But at some point, he has to be for something. I am sure he wasn't elected to just be agains things.

  • TeaPublican Houston, TX
    July 27, 2013 7:06 a.m.

    Our Republicans in Congress will do the RIGHT thing…they WILL vote to not include funding for obamacare! Our Republicans will draw their line in the sand. If those democrats force us to shut down the government over an unpopular law that hurts people then so be it. Our Republicans know that if they vote to fund obamacare they WILL be primaried! I just read on the internet that right now in the Senate there are 15 Republicans who have signed a letter saying they will not vote for any continuing resolution that funds obamacare! Our Republicans would rather shut down the government than destroy lives by funding this socialist legislation. Hang on America! Real help is on the way. We TeaPublicans are taking back America in 2014 and 2016! “P n P” in 2016….yes it’s going to happen. Perry N Palin in 2016!

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 27, 2013 7:00 a.m.

    "When a law is enacted, representatives who opposed it have some choices. They can try to repeal it, unless it becomes an effort at grandstanding so overdone that it detracts from other basic responsibilities of governing. They can try to amend it to make it work better, if the goal is to improve a cumbersome law to work better. They can strive to make sure that the law does the most for Americans it is intended to serve. Or they can step aside and leave the burden of implementation to those who supported the law and got it enacted in the first place.

    But to do everything possible to undercut and destroy its implementation --in this case means finding ways to deny coverage to many who lack any health insurance; to keep millions who might be able to get better and cheaper coverage in the dark about their new options; to create disruption for the health providers; to threaten the even greater disruption via a government shutdown or breach of the debt limit in order to blackmail the president into abandoning the law; and to hope to benefit politically from all the resulting turmoil -- is unacceptable, even contemptible."
    (Norm Orenstein)

  • Bob K porland, OR
    July 27, 2013 3:00 a.m.

    Yes, we need a socialized form of healthcare in order to keep costs down and help all our citizens
    Yes, rich doctors, pill salesmen and pill makers, and hospital corporations may suffer.
    Yes, rich White people can do without the Affordable Healthcare Act

    Yes, Jesus Christ says to help your brothers, not the rich

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 10:40 p.m.

    Best of luck to Sen. Lee. It’s an uphill battle, but he’s doing the right thing. I must admit I was a little skeptical when he was first elected, but I have repeatedly been proud of the stands he has taken for the Constitution and against voracious, intrusive big government. Obamacare is already causing hundreds of thousands to lose their jobs or their benefits.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 10:25 p.m.

    banderson,

    My Con Law instructor in grad school was a sitting federal judge. I think I understand it at least as well as most folks, and my reverence for that document takes a back seat to no one.

    Your statement that those of us who find Senator Lee to be an embarrassment to both the Senate and our state should "admit we don't believe in the Constitution" is complete malarky.

    Can you get it through your head that it is possible to be both well-informed about the Constitution and its history, _and_ have opinions about government that differ from yours?

    It's _because_ I believe in the Constitution, and the effectiveness of the government it guides, that I find Mr. Lee's childish grandstanding to be so worthy of ridicule.

    The Affordable Care Act is imperfect, yes, but it's nonetheless a darned-sight better than the train wreck that is the current healthcare finance system in our country. Moreover, you critics of it have yet to offer any concrete, workable proposals for a superior plan.

    What's utterly ludicrous is that the core elements of the ACA are _Republican_ ideas from the 1990's.

  • dave Park City, UT
    July 26, 2013 10:23 p.m.

    The headline should have read: Attempt forty to repeal Obamacare scheduled. Attempt one to do anything productive not on schedule

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 10:14 p.m.

    @dave
    "And people wonder why republicans are looked at like the crazy aunt with 100 cats."

    Incidentally, Boehner's the aunt and considering all the votes he's lost on bills (compared to Pelosi never losing a vote) I think he'd rather be herding cats than his caucus.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    July 26, 2013 10:12 p.m.

    I wish Senator Lee good luck. Everyone hollers about Obamacare, and nobody does anything about it. I think this is a good proposal, and I hope Hatch comes around. He's another one who continually whines about obamacare and then does nothing. This someone finally doing something they promised to do for the state and the nation as a whole. Just defund it, and that will stop the individual mandate. This bill is so unfair and unpopular. We have to stop the train wreck that is coming our way soon. Support Senator Mike Lee's bill.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    July 26, 2013 10:10 p.m.

    Wow! If you understand and live by the Constitution, Senator Lee is your senator. If you don't, he is a thorn in the flesh. It is always amusing to see the vitriol toward Senator Lee by those who probably otherwise aver that they are supporters of the Constitution. For those, let me suggest just admitting that you don't believe in the Constitution. It will at least make you feel consistent within yourself. Senator Lee won't be able to do much for a country bent on destroying that whish is good, but at least I am reassured that he hasn't been corrupted by power yet, unlike most of the other politicians.

  • ThornBirds St.George, Utah
    July 26, 2013 9:14 p.m.

    Lee's repetitive issues just don't seem to resonate with many citizens, or other lawmakers. One almost tends to feels sorry for him, if only he wasn't wasting so much of the taxpayer's money chasing windmills.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    July 26, 2013 9:10 p.m.

    "...noes...".

    Noes?

    mike lee will be a Senator from Utah until someone comes along that is more extreme.

    That will never happen...

    So it makes perfect sense that he spends his time proposing solutions that will go nowhere.

    Perfect.

  • dave Park City, UT
    July 26, 2013 8:54 p.m.

    How much taxpayer money has Lee and his ilk wasted fighting the inevitable? It's grandstanding and pandering to the extreme vocal element in the party. And people wonder why republicans are looked at like the crazy aunt with 100 cats.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 26, 2013 8:31 p.m.

    Bravo, Senator Lee! You are actually fighting to try to stop Obamacare.

    Please, Senator Lee, try to get Hatch to go along with your approach instead of his ineffective "got along to get along" habits.

    I am mystified about why our senior senator, the one with 36 years seniority and experience, noes nothing more than send out press releases and emails to constituents expressing his concerns about Obamacare. But he never actual DOES anything to stop it other than an occasional polite floor speech.

    We need at least 40 more senators like Mike Lee and Ted Cruz, if we can possibly save our country from ruination under Obamacare.