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Published: Friday, July 26 2013 8:25 p.m. MDT

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Cottonwood Heights, UT

Bravo, Senator Lee! You are actually fighting to try to stop Obamacare.

Please, Senator Lee, try to get Hatch to go along with your approach instead of his ineffective "got along to get along" habits.

I am mystified about why our senior senator, the one with 36 years seniority and experience, noes nothing more than send out press releases and emails to constituents expressing his concerns about Obamacare. But he never actual DOES anything to stop it other than an occasional polite floor speech.

We need at least 40 more senators like Mike Lee and Ted Cruz, if we can possibly save our country from ruination under Obamacare.

dave
Park City, UT

How much taxpayer money has Lee and his ilk wasted fighting the inevitable? It's grandstanding and pandering to the extreme vocal element in the party. And people wonder why republicans are looked at like the crazy aunt with 100 cats.

WHAT NOW?
Saint George, UT

"...noes...".

Noes?

mike lee will be a Senator from Utah until someone comes along that is more extreme.

That will never happen...

So it makes perfect sense that he spends his time proposing solutions that will go nowhere.

Perfect.

ThornBirds
St.George, Utah

Lee's repetitive issues just don't seem to resonate with many citizens, or other lawmakers. One almost tends to feels sorry for him, if only he wasn't wasting so much of the taxpayer's money chasing windmills.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Wow! If you understand and live by the Constitution, Senator Lee is your senator. If you don't, he is a thorn in the flesh. It is always amusing to see the vitriol toward Senator Lee by those who probably otherwise aver that they are supporters of the Constitution. For those, let me suggest just admitting that you don't believe in the Constitution. It will at least make you feel consistent within yourself. Senator Lee won't be able to do much for a country bent on destroying that whish is good, but at least I am reassured that he hasn't been corrupted by power yet, unlike most of the other politicians.

BYUalum
South Jordan, UT

I wish Senator Lee good luck. Everyone hollers about Obamacare, and nobody does anything about it. I think this is a good proposal, and I hope Hatch comes around. He's another one who continually whines about obamacare and then does nothing. This someone finally doing something they promised to do for the state and the nation as a whole. Just defund it, and that will stop the individual mandate. This bill is so unfair and unpopular. We have to stop the train wreck that is coming our way soon. Support Senator Mike Lee's bill.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@dave
"And people wonder why republicans are looked at like the crazy aunt with 100 cats."

Incidentally, Boehner's the aunt and considering all the votes he's lost on bills (compared to Pelosi never losing a vote) I think he'd rather be herding cats than his caucus.

dave
Park City, UT

The headline should have read: Attempt forty to repeal Obamacare scheduled. Attempt one to do anything productive not on schedule

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

banderson,

My Con Law instructor in grad school was a sitting federal judge. I think I understand it at least as well as most folks, and my reverence for that document takes a back seat to no one.

Your statement that those of us who find Senator Lee to be an embarrassment to both the Senate and our state should "admit we don't believe in the Constitution" is complete malarky.

Can you get it through your head that it is possible to be both well-informed about the Constitution and its history, _and_ have opinions about government that differ from yours?

It's _because_ I believe in the Constitution, and the effectiveness of the government it guides, that I find Mr. Lee's childish grandstanding to be so worthy of ridicule.

The Affordable Care Act is imperfect, yes, but it's nonetheless a darned-sight better than the train wreck that is the current healthcare finance system in our country. Moreover, you critics of it have yet to offer any concrete, workable proposals for a superior plan.

What's utterly ludicrous is that the core elements of the ACA are _Republican_ ideas from the 1990's.

PeanutGallery
Salt Lake City, UT

Best of luck to Sen. Lee. It’s an uphill battle, but he’s doing the right thing. I must admit I was a little skeptical when he was first elected, but I have repeatedly been proud of the stands he has taken for the Constitution and against voracious, intrusive big government. Obamacare is already causing hundreds of thousands to lose their jobs or their benefits.

Bob K
porland, OR

Yes, we need a socialized form of healthcare in order to keep costs down and help all our citizens
Yes, rich doctors, pill salesmen and pill makers, and hospital corporations may suffer.
Yes, rich White people can do without the Affordable Healthcare Act

Yes, Jesus Christ says to help your brothers, not the rich

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

"When a law is enacted, representatives who opposed it have some choices. They can try to repeal it, unless it becomes an effort at grandstanding so overdone that it detracts from other basic responsibilities of governing. They can try to amend it to make it work better, if the goal is to improve a cumbersome law to work better. They can strive to make sure that the law does the most for Americans it is intended to serve. Or they can step aside and leave the burden of implementation to those who supported the law and got it enacted in the first place.

But to do everything possible to undercut and destroy its implementation --in this case means finding ways to deny coverage to many who lack any health insurance; to keep millions who might be able to get better and cheaper coverage in the dark about their new options; to create disruption for the health providers; to threaten the even greater disruption via a government shutdown or breach of the debt limit in order to blackmail the president into abandoning the law; and to hope to benefit politically from all the resulting turmoil -- is unacceptable, even contemptible."
(Norm Orenstein)

TeaPublican
Houston, TX

Our Republicans in Congress will do the RIGHT thing…they WILL vote to not include funding for obamacare! Our Republicans will draw their line in the sand. If those democrats force us to shut down the government over an unpopular law that hurts people then so be it. Our Republicans know that if they vote to fund obamacare they WILL be primaried! I just read on the internet that right now in the Senate there are 15 Republicans who have signed a letter saying they will not vote for any continuing resolution that funds obamacare! Our Republicans would rather shut down the government than destroy lives by funding this socialist legislation. Hang on America! Real help is on the way. We TeaPublicans are taking back America in 2014 and 2016! “P n P” in 2016….yes it’s going to happen. Perry N Palin in 2016!

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Here is the problem.... it is far to easy to be opposed to something. There is very little work or thinking required. Lee says a lot of the right things here.... politically.... but where he falls short is after saying no, what then are you going to do.

He opposes Obamacare..... ok..... so what is the plan to keep people from going broke because of medical care cost?

He opposes Gun control... fine.... but what then is his plan to reduce fun violence?

He is opposed to NSA snooping.... sounds nice.... but what is he going to do to enable the US to prevent future attacks on our people?

He is a junior senator, so in my book he does get a pass. But at some point, he has to be for something. I am sure he wasn't elected to just be agains things.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

"It is important to emphasize that this (Lee's) set of moves is simply unprecedented. The clear comparison is the Medicare prescription-drug plan. When it passed Congress in 2003, Democrats had many reasons to be furious. The initial partnership between President Bush and Senator Kennedy had resulted in an admirably bipartisan bill -- it passed the Senate with 74 votes. Republicans then pulled a bait and switch, taking out all of the provisions that Kennedy had put in to bring along Senate Democrats, jamming the resulting bill through the House in a three-hour late-night vote marathon that blatantly violated House rules and included something close to outright bribery on the House floor, and then passing the bill through the Senate with just 54 votes -- while along the way excluding the duly elected conferees, Tom Daschle (the Democratic leader!) and D-Jay Rockefeller, from the conference-committee deliberations.

Imagine if Democrats had gone all out to block or disrupt the implementation -- using filibusters to deny funding, sending threatening letters to companies or outside interests who mobilized to educate Medicare recipients, putting on major campaigns to convince seniors that this was a plot to deny them Medicare."
(Norm Orenstein)

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

With over seventy percent of the American people against Obamacare, one who finds themselves in opposition to the brilliant Sen Lee had better check their tinfoil hat for leaks

Mick
Murray, Utah

Blue,

You have just proved that you may be well versed in law and how to manipulate it, but certainly not medicine and how to care for others. Take it from someone in medicine, this law is a joke. You should see all the hoops that you have to jump through that have NOTHING to do with patient care and have made it more costly for MD's and patients. It is a JOKE.

Bob K,

Rich Doctors? Doctors earn every dime they get. They go to school for 15+ years, take out hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans, work 60-80 hours a week and are sued at the drop of a hat. They take on huge responsibility and liability in this litigious society. Don't include them in your leftist and jealous top 1% banter.

Edgar
Samaria, ID

""'It's pretty clear he's interested in being a nationally visible leader of the conservative movement,' said Matthew Wilson, a political science professor at Southern Methodist University in Dallas."

So now we see what it takes to become a leader in the Republican Party. Just say 'no' to everything the Democratic president has done and that which even the conservative Supreme Court has determined is legal and appropriate.

Wouldn't it make more sense to actually propose alternative legislation rather than just being negative about that which is already established as national law? Does Senator Lee, or any other elected representative signing on to his proposal, actually think our current healthcare system is serving the public like it should? With 35M without any insurance?

Leadership - that is a subject that Senator Lee knows nothing about. This proposal is evidence of that.

not here
COLORADO SPRINGS, CO

Hey Truth: Please provide us with where you came up with the numbers you have posted here. Or are they just some from AM radio, that you are just repeating? And as far as any one supporting Lee, well they better have there tin foil hats checked because they are truly leaking.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@TRUTH
"With over seventy percent of the American people against Obamacare"

Seriously... get a new username.

Fox News Poll
40% for/favor obamacare, 53% against/oppose
CBS
36% for 54% against
ABC News / Washington Post
42% for 49% against
NBC News / Wall Street Journal
34% for 47% against
Rasmussen
45% for 50% against
Gallup
44% for 52% against

This is the current real clear politics list. Average opposition is 50.8%. Here's the catch though... polls (CNN does this) show that a quarter of those that oppose Obamacare do so because they think it's not liberal enough. So with CNN you get ~43% saying support, ~38% saying oppose/not conservative enough and ~13% saying oppose/not liberal enough. So the majority oppose Obamacare... but the majority support Obamacare or want it to be more liberal.

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