I just don't see how my paying even more mandatory taxes on my low student
income is going to help the millions who are already struggling. I do see,
however, how it is really going to hurt me.
"Obamacare" has to rank as one of the top jokes to come out of
Washington with the current administration--and that's saying a lot. But
it's a good litmus test: Anyone who doesn't oppose it isn't
working for the taxpayers and workers in this country.
If Lee's goal is to sell more copies of his book(s) then he is doing a good
job promoting himself. It does not look like he is interested in doing anything
Lee, once again, is part of the problem and not part of the solution. He
refuses to be part of the solution. If he doesn't like parts of the
Affordable Care Act then he should propose and pass legislation that puts
something better in place. The ACA has helped a lot of people, and should stay
in place until something better can be instituted.
I mean really! Look carefully at the face of that man and ask if you see an
intelligent person trying to do what is right, or, perhaps, someone of lesser
ability who knows what horns to blow in order to please his rich elderly
supporters.If the republicans would do what is necessary to get the
economy going -- including public works projects for our failing infrastructure
-- there would be money to send everyone for great healthcare.Obstruction,
rather than progress, is too typical of this type of politician, and it
contributes nothing to the good of America, so it reminds me of subversion.
If you attract the ire of Reid, it is likely you're on the right side of
I find it fascinating that so many readers here have a near-pathological fear of
anything "socialistic" in our lives, particularly right after we just
finished spending day after day celebrating the lives of the Utah pioneers.
It's time to put away the revisionist history versions of them and face
reality: most of the pioneers were socialists, including Brigham Young, who had
nothing good whatsoever to say about capitalism. They wanted a society where we
were all interdependent on each other; a society that provided for the
well-being of all its members and not just the well-to-do. And it's also a
bit ironic that most of the people screaming about keeping the government out of
their medical care would have fits if anyone tried to take away their Medicare.
We would be much better off if we just expanded it to cover people of all ages.
Oh, come on ---Most of the opposition is about defeating the President.
The House repubs have instituted 37 tries at repeal.It won. It is working,
spend some time fixing the rest of America.It is not socialism to suggest
that doctors, hospital, and drug execs with multimillion dollar incomes might be
more interested in the status quo. Yes, doctors deserve large incomes if they
are good, but millions????? We all end up paying for it
@ByuumActually Lee is your senator if you live in his district.
Civic 101 "alum."
@Truth - there are three recent polls out on public opinion on Obamacare....
Fox, NBC and CBS... Not a single one is even within 20 points of what you are
claiming? Not sure you get your information.... but seriously....made up
numbers hardly constitute the truth.Alt pretty much covered the
polls...... please site your source of this so called 70% number. Fox
doesn't even mirror your numbers.
I think that the status quo is what we should strive for as a people. Emergency
Room medical care, no coverage if you've been sick before, rampant
bankruptcy due to medical bills is far better than any proposal from either the
left or the right (oh, wait, the right has proposed NOTHING). As
one who was bankrupted by medical bills - even though I had insurance, the right
thing to do is what Senator Lee proposes - NOTHING. You're sick - too bad.
You're working at a job that doesn't have health benefits - too sad
for you. Wait for that ear infection to turn into a ruptured ear drum and go to
the Emergency Room. That's cost effective medicine for you. That's
the American way!
Rather than take away the promise of decent health care from poor Americans, if
you want to save money why don't you work to defund the congressional
retirement system?Rather than continue to fight to destroy the
Affordable Health Care Act, work with Democrats to make it better. While you
are at it please don't exempt congress from being included. Leaders should
lead by example.
Blue: What clause in the Constitution says anything about the federal
government giving everyone 'free' health care? Whatever knowledge you
espouse about the constitution doesn't exist, unless, of course, you
believe that the constitution is something that really doesn't stand for
anything, except for what the Supreme Court says. The 'people' are the
ultimate arbiters of our republic. The Supreme Court is the third branch of
government, whose sole duty is to make sure any law legislated is
Constitutional, not whether the constitution needs to be changed to meet their
own opinions and bias' about it. I would say Senator Lee understands the
Constitution as well as any current sitting Senator. It is no surprise that
those who despise the Constitution would also despise someone who understands
the three branches of government and what their responsibilities and duties are.
I find it rather ironic that Senator Lee complains about the ACA being
unaffordable. He seemed to have no qualms about letting his house be sold on a
short sale by his mortage holder at a proce less than the outstanding balance
due. he also seems to be enrolled in a federal health care plan where the
taxpayers are paying 60% of his insurance premium costs.
@TRUTH"With over seventy percent of the American people against
Obamacare"Seriously... get a new username.Fox News
Poll40% for/favor obamacare, 53% against/opposeCBS36% for 54%
againstABC News / Washington Post42% for 49% againstNBC News /
Wall Street Journal 34% for 47% againstRasmussen45% for 50%
against Gallup44% for 52% againstThis is the current
real clear politics list. Average opposition is 50.8%. Here's the catch
though... polls (CNN does this) show that a quarter of those that oppose
Obamacare do so because they think it's not liberal enough. So with CNN you
get ~43% saying support, ~38% saying oppose/not conservative enough and ~13%
saying oppose/not liberal enough. So the majority oppose Obamacare... but the
majority support Obamacare or want it to be more liberal.
Hey Truth: Please provide us with where you came up with the numbers you have
posted here. Or are they just some from AM radio, that you are just repeating?
And as far as any one supporting Lee, well they better have there tin foil hats
checked because they are truly leaking.
""'It's pretty clear he's interested in being a
nationally visible leader of the conservative movement,' said Matthew
Wilson, a political science professor at Southern Methodist University in
Dallas."So now we see what it takes to become a leader in the
Republican Party. Just say 'no' to everything the Democratic
president has done and that which even the conservative Supreme Court has
determined is legal and appropriate.Wouldn't it make more sense
to actually propose alternative legislation rather than just being negative
about that which is already established as national law? Does Senator Lee, or
any other elected representative signing on to his proposal, actually think our
current healthcare system is serving the public like it should? With 35M
without any insurance?Leadership - that is a subject that Senator
Lee knows nothing about. This proposal is evidence of that.
Blue, You have just proved that you may be well versed in law and
how to manipulate it, but certainly not medicine and how to care for others.
Take it from someone in medicine, this law is a joke. You should see all the
hoops that you have to jump through that have NOTHING to do with patient care
and have made it more costly for MD's and patients. It is a JOKE.Bob K,Rich Doctors? Doctors earn every dime they get. They go to
school for 15+ years, take out hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans, work
60-80 hours a week and are sued at the drop of a hat. They take on huge
responsibility and liability in this litigious society. Don't include them
in your leftist and jealous top 1% banter.
With over seventy percent of the American people against Obamacare, one who
finds themselves in opposition to the brilliant Sen Lee had better check their
tinfoil hat for leaks
"It is important to emphasize that this (Lee's) set of moves is simply
unprecedented. The clear comparison is the Medicare prescription-drug plan. When
it passed Congress in 2003, Democrats had many reasons to be furious. The
initial partnership between President Bush and Senator Kennedy had resulted in
an admirably bipartisan bill -- it passed the Senate with 74 votes. Republicans
then pulled a bait and switch, taking out all of the provisions that Kennedy had
put in to bring along Senate Democrats, jamming the resulting bill through the
House in a three-hour late-night vote marathon that blatantly violated House
rules and included something close to outright bribery on the House floor, and
then passing the bill through the Senate with just 54 votes -- while along the
way excluding the duly elected conferees, Tom Daschle (the Democratic leader!)
and D-Jay Rockefeller, from the conference-committee deliberations.Imagine if Democrats had gone all out to block or disrupt the implementation
-- using filibusters to deny funding, sending threatening letters to companies
or outside interests who mobilized to educate Medicare recipients, putting on
major campaigns to convince seniors that this was a plot to deny them
Here is the problem.... it is far to easy to be opposed to something. There is
very little work or thinking required. Lee says a lot of the right things
here.... politically.... but where he falls short is after saying no, what then
are you going to do.He opposes Obamacare..... ok..... so what is the
plan to keep people from going broke because of medical care cost?He
opposes Gun control... fine.... but what then is his plan to reduce fun
violence?He is opposed to NSA snooping.... sounds nice.... but what
is he going to do to enable the US to prevent future attacks on our people?He is a junior senator, so in my book he does get a pass. But at some
point, he has to be for something. I am sure he wasn't elected to just be
Our Republicans in Congress will do the RIGHT thing…they WILL vote to not
include funding for obamacare! Our Republicans will draw their line in the
sand. If those democrats force us to shut down the government over an
unpopular law that hurts people then so be it. Our Republicans know that if
they vote to fund obamacare they WILL be primaried! I just read on the
internet that right now in the Senate there are 15 Republicans who have signed a
letter saying they will not vote for any continuing resolution that funds
obamacare! Our Republicans would rather shut down the government than destroy
lives by funding this socialist legislation. Hang on America! Real help is
on the way. We TeaPublicans are taking back America in 2014 and 2016!
“P n P” in 2016….yes it’s going to happen. Perry N
Palin in 2016!
"When a law is enacted, representatives who opposed it have some choices.
They can try to repeal it, unless it becomes an effort at grandstanding so
overdone that it detracts from other basic responsibilities of governing. They
can try to amend it to make it work better, if the goal is to improve a
cumbersome law to work better. They can strive to make sure that the law does
the most for Americans it is intended to serve. Or they can step aside and leave
the burden of implementation to those who supported the law and got it enacted
in the first place.But to do everything possible to undercut and
destroy its implementation --in this case means finding ways to deny coverage to
many who lack any health insurance; to keep millions who might be able to get
better and cheaper coverage in the dark about their new options; to create
disruption for the health providers; to threaten the even greater disruption via
a government shutdown or breach of the debt limit in order to blackmail the
president into abandoning the law; and to hope to benefit politically from all
the resulting turmoil -- is unacceptable, even contemptible."(Norm
Yes, we need a socialized form of healthcare in order to keep costs down and
help all our citizensYes, rich doctors, pill salesmen and pill makers, and
hospital corporations may suffer.Yes, rich White people can do without the
Affordable Healthcare ActYes, Jesus Christ says to help your
brothers, not the rich
Best of luck to Sen. Lee. It’s an uphill battle, but he’s doing
the right thing. I must admit I was a little skeptical when he was first
elected, but I have repeatedly been proud of the stands he has taken for the
Constitution and against voracious, intrusive big government. Obamacare is
already causing hundreds of thousands to lose their jobs or their benefits.
banderson,My Con Law instructor in grad school was a sitting federal
judge. I think I understand it at least as well as most folks, and my reverence
for that document takes a back seat to no one.Your statement that
those of us who find Senator Lee to be an embarrassment to both the Senate and
our state should "admit we don't believe in the Constitution" is
complete malarky. Can you get it through your head that it is
possible to be both well-informed about the Constitution and its history, _and_
have opinions about government that differ from yours?It's
_because_ I believe in the Constitution, and the effectiveness of the government
it guides, that I find Mr. Lee's childish grandstanding to be so worthy of
ridicule.The Affordable Care Act is imperfect, yes, but it's
nonetheless a darned-sight better than the train wreck that is the current
healthcare finance system in our country. Moreover, you critics of it have yet
to offer any concrete, workable proposals for a superior plan.What's utterly ludicrous is that the core elements of the ACA are
_Republican_ ideas from the 1990's.
The headline should have read: Attempt forty to repeal Obamacare scheduled.
Attempt one to do anything productive not on schedule
@dave"And people wonder why republicans are looked at like the crazy
aunt with 100 cats."Incidentally, Boehner's the aunt and
considering all the votes he's lost on bills (compared to Pelosi never
losing a vote) I think he'd rather be herding cats than his caucus.
I wish Senator Lee good luck. Everyone hollers about Obamacare, and nobody does
anything about it. I think this is a good proposal, and I hope Hatch comes
around. He's another one who continually whines about obamacare and then
does nothing. This someone finally doing something they promised to do for the
state and the nation as a whole. Just defund it, and that will stop the
individual mandate. This bill is so unfair and unpopular. We have to stop the
train wreck that is coming our way soon. Support Senator Mike Lee's bill.
Wow! If you understand and live by the Constitution, Senator Lee is your
senator. If you don't, he is a thorn in the flesh. It is always amusing
to see the vitriol toward Senator Lee by those who probably otherwise aver that
they are supporters of the Constitution. For those, let me suggest just
admitting that you don't believe in the Constitution. It will at least
make you feel consistent within yourself. Senator Lee won't be able to do
much for a country bent on destroying that whish is good, but at least I am
reassured that he hasn't been corrupted by power yet, unlike most of the
Lee's repetitive issues just don't seem to resonate with many
citizens, or other lawmakers. One almost tends to feels sorry for him, if only
he wasn't wasting so much of the taxpayer's money chasing windmills.
"...noes...".Noes?mike lee will be a Senator
from Utah until someone comes along that is more extreme.That will
never happen...So it makes perfect sense that he spends his time
proposing solutions that will go nowhere.Perfect.
How much taxpayer money has Lee and his ilk wasted fighting the inevitable?
It's grandstanding and pandering to the extreme vocal element in the party.
And people wonder why republicans are looked at like the crazy aunt with 100
Bravo, Senator Lee! You are actually fighting to try to stop Obamacare.Please, Senator Lee, try to get Hatch to go along with your approach
instead of his ineffective "got along to get along" habits.I
am mystified about why our senior senator, the one with 36 years seniority and
experience, noes nothing more than send out press releases and emails to
constituents expressing his concerns about Obamacare. But he never actual DOES
anything to stop it other than an occasional polite floor speech. We need at least 40 more senators like Mike Lee and Ted Cruz, if we can
possibly save our country from ruination under Obamacare.