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Published: Friday, July 26 2013 5:30 p.m. MDT

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mindgames
Aurora, CO

GOOD MEMORIES

This year will be another in those great BYU wins.

It seems unimaginable that there have been loses the last few years, I am sure everybody in the program is shaking their head about how such an inferior team with losing records for those seasons could muster the energy and emotional highs to pull off the upsets.

But 2013 will be a realignment of normalcy as the Cougars erase the only quality wins for Utah in the past three years and put their out of conference records more in line with their conference records. Utah has simply been pathetic in the PAC-12 and are predicted to be a bottom of the conference team again, if one is to believe the prognosticators.

So let's enjoy this years victory over an overmatched squad from that power house conference.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

Austin Collie was right. If you do what is right, on and off the field you will be blessed.
Does God favor BYU above Utah or any other team? Perhaps, there have been way too many "miracles" to just dismiss the possibility. 1984 Miracle Bowl for example. That just does not happen.
BYU won so many games with LaVell Edwards as coach against teams with far more talented players that you just cannot dismiss the possibility.

Idaho_Boy
Aberdeen, ID

I have always said that the difference between the average BYU QB and the great ones was there ability to throw the long ball. When the game was on the line they trusted themselves to throw that long throw. BYU's offense is designed to throw a lot of short and intermediate routes, but if you don't throw some long balls occasionally the defense will cheat up and stuff the run game and either pick off or knock down your short routes.

BigCougar
Bountiful, UT

it was an unbelievable play, had Max's shoulder been healthy Collie likely would've taken it to the house. He had Bryce McCain so badly fooled that Austin still had time to stop and wait for Max's pass before adding yards after the catch.

Hey Baby
Franklin, IN

Rock...

The God I worship cares nothing about college football I am most certain...I am dismissing the possibility that he intervenes in athletic contests...

I would suggest prayer, scripture study and counseling...

If a Heavenly Father had a football team they would win every game...right??

Down right nutty...

Wingnut1
USA, UT

Hey Baby...

I'm not saying God does favor BYU. However you say he cares nothing about college football. I say he cares about "you". He wants you to do your best in all of the areas of your life. I have studied really hard for a test, and prayed for help, and because of my preparation and obedience to his commandments, I received help on the test. Maybe the same happens for individuals in college football. The only thing The Rock failed to mention is that it can happen places other than BYU. God doesn't have a "football team" but he does have sons as players on teams, and he wants his sons to do their best. So when they obey his commandments, and prepare their best for the game, and ask for help, there is definitely a possibility that he will help them. That doesn't mean he favors them more than any other one of his sons, they just did what he asked them to do when others didn't. Maybe that divine helps makes a team win, but that doesn't mean he favors that team :)

Hey Baby
Franklin, IN

Wingnut...

Excellent! Agree...obeidience, hard work, humility, prayer, weightlifting, better cleats, luck...it's all a part of football and His sons definitely are blessed for the first 3...

Love your post!!!

SlopJ30
St Louis, MO

I'm a Y fan but always cringe when I hear people start chalking up success in sports, professional endeavors, health, etc to "righteousness" or "blessings." The Rock is wrong . . I CAN and DO dismiss the possibility that God occasionally pulls the puppet strings in a sporting event to "bless" one team or one player. And the SMU Miracle Bowl? Come on, man . . miracle finishes happen all the time. It had nothing to do with God; everything to do with Jim McMahon.

Collie's quote was a black eye. He can defend it all he wants, but any honest observer who heard or read the quote would have gotten the impression he was saying God decided BYU was more deserving of a win that day. Gag.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

The thing I like about Collies comment is how much angst and pain it has cause utah "fans" over the years. Whether or not he was correct really doesn't matter to me, I like the results it has brought us. So much good stuff, so many funny tortured posts and comments from utah "fans" over it. Simply awesome stuff.

LOL!

Hey Baby
Franklin, IN

Soooooo, lets say Collie is correct and there is some type of deity football fans that reward certain teams or players for good behavior...

Soooooo, Collie was blessed at BYU...did he use up his 2 year supply of blessing storage once he hit the NFL (which in his case stood for Not For Long)...

8% tithing?? No home teaching? Napping in Sac Mtg?

He got his bell rung pretty good and often...

bribri86
Phoenix, AZ

Hey Baby,

A has-been in the NFL vs. you (a never was). Big talk for someone who has never been there. Just like someone who talks about how missionaries should act who never served. Just like people ragging on or demanding things on behalf of the military who have never served. Go out and get some experience, then talk to us about who God blesses. Does God favor one army over the others? Does God favor a missionary or missions over others? I dare say the answer is yes...but then I'm talking from MY experience, not like you who only theorizes.

baddog
Cedar Rapids, IA

@Hey Baby:

If you don't believe in modern revelation, this might not have much influence with you.

The Doctrine and Covenants Section 130, verses 20 and 21 tell us:

20 There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated—

21 And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.

So, if Austin Collie was performing to the requirements of the law (or a team might be doing better than another), it is feasible that one might have blessings that help in the midst of competition. On the other hand, God does seem to enjoy watching his sons and daughters do the best they can, even without the dispensing of blessings.

If an athlete feels he or she received some help, we aren't in a position to qustion that except to disparage.

I can truthfully say I have seen that kind of help in my own life and in the lives of my children.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

SlopJ30
St Louis, MO

I think you're over thinking this one. Or maybe under thinking, not really sure which.

Does God ever intervene in anything? Can He intervene in anything? Are His purposes always obvious or immediately manifest?

I honestly believe Austin was an instant, temporary hero faced with an interesting question. He could have said "Man, I toasted that marshmallow! Given enough time, I KNEW that superior athleticism, coaching and intellect would rule the day!" Instead he chose to say "work hard, live right and sometimes, magic happens."

So after 3 in a row, what do BYU fans hear from our red brothers to the north? "We own you! Total domination! Superior athletes, superior coaching, and BYU will NEVER be anything but JV!" And you think Austin Collie was the offensive one? No, one's remarks do not justify the other. Austin's remarks need no justification. Offense inferred where no offense was intended.

iNKSpot
Wilsonville, OR

Back in 1962 when I was new on campus, so was Coach Edwards who came on as an assistant. In his memoirs he asserted that back then football was something we watched while waiting for basketball season to start. We lost to George Washington University and College of the Pacific that year, two schools that no longer have football teams. Today, we no longer joke about having to give up as tithing one yard for every 10 we gain. No excuses needed anymore.

iNKSpot
Wilsonville, OR

I watched BYU's 50 Best Plays of all time and was a little disappointed that Chad Lewis' block of a Notre Dame field goal in our first victory over the Irish was not included. Early in the second half, the Irish got down within the 10-yard line and couldn't punch it in. The blocked field goal seemed to set the tone for the rest of the game and is on my personal top-10 list of great Cougar plays.

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