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  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 31, 2013 7:16 a.m.

    5th!!!? Sounds way off !!! Second or Third Sounds abour right !!!

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    July 30, 2013 10:25 p.m.

    5th!!!? Sounds about right !!!

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    July 30, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    Of course he's not, his job is to have his team ready to play...not read press clippings.

    That said, I'd be very surprised if this is not a tough year for Utah.

    Sorry to hear about the crash in New Mexico. That s cks.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 30, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    @CougnDawgsfan

    Don't hold your breth; or you will Pop!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 29, 2013 9:11 p.m.

    I truly don't understand BYUs issues with Utah. All the turnovers, miscues, it's like God has to find a way to keep the Cougs humble or something because Utah is certainly not better over-all when BYU has completely eclipsed them in rankings, awards, HoF players, etc. Its like a curse or something. BYU consistently plays some of their worst games against the utesies. Played better against ND, Boise St, and Utah St last year, who were all clearly better teams than Utah, and yet against Utah BYU serves up more turnovers than McDonalds during a 2 for 1 special. It's ridiculous, and I hope BYU players are as sick of it as the fans are. No more turnovers to fatten the utesies over-inflated self image. Time to serve up some humble pie and let it fill their nostrils with the stench of long overdue defeat for the next two years. The tide changes now.
    GO COUGS!!

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    July 29, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    2b

    "Did these teams beat the utes multiple times?"

    You're frantically and emotionally making apples and oranges comparisons.

    Which team is better is determined season by season, game by game, for the entire season.

    It doesn't matter that Utah had beaten Utah State 15-gazillion times in a row, Utah State was clearly the better team last season, beating the Utes head-to-head AND finishing with a better record and higher ranking.

    It's laughable that Utah fans are so obsessed with using head-to-head results as definitive proof of which team is better, for the entire season, but ONLY when it comes to comparing BYU and Utah.

    If that's your standard, fine, stick with it for EVERY comparison, not just when it conveniently supports your narrow view of the world.

    If Utah beating BYU 54-10 in 2011 conclusively proved that Utah was better, for the entire season, then UNLV beating Utah 27-0 in 2007 conclusively proved that UNLV was better than Utah, for the entire season.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    July 29, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    Whittingham would be wise to get a head start on updating his resume and sharpening his interviewing skills.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    July 28, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    @sportsfan

    "Whittingham had one great year, in 2008,..."

    You do realize 1 is better than 0 like Bronco has.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    July 28, 2013 3:08 p.m.

    @solomon Levi

    "Was UNLV(2-10) BETTER than Utah(9-4)? Not just for that game, but for the entire season.

    Was Colorado(3-10) BETTER than Utah(8-5)? Not just for that game, but for the entire season."

    Did these teams beat the utes multiple times? Didn't think so.

    Of cours one off's happen and underdogs win. What you won't see however is that happening 3 years in or row or 8 of 11 years. So you using this comparison has no merit. 3 in row, 4 of 5, 8 of 11, 56-34 overall is complete domination, period the end! Any team that has that same thing or similar over Utah I fully admit dominates us!

  • The A Game Logan, UT
    July 28, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    This is neat.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 28, 2013 12:28 a.m.

    ekute

    Face it, the last shred of Ute superiority ends this coming season. BYU already owns Utah in National Championships, Heisman Trophies, National Hall of Fame Players, National Rankings, National Individual Awards, WAC/MWC Championships, and head-to-head during the last half century.

    During the Bronco/Kyle era, BYU owns Utah in Top 25 finishes, Top 15 finishes, overall record, average Sagarin rankings, conference championships, 10+ win seasons, and bowl games. Utah's last remnant of claimed superiority, head-to-head, ends with a BYU victory on September 21st. The Utes will have to live for the next three years with their cowardice, knowing they're no longer good enough to beat the Cougars.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 27, 2013 5:10 p.m.

    @gored

    And recruit rankings are pre career guesses yet you and the other utah "fans" around here act as if they are scripture.

    LOL!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 27, 2013 5:07 p.m.

    sportsfan,

    Utah owns byu.
    Kyle owns bronco.
    Face it.
    On the field.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 27, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    Superior to byu. On the field.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 27, 2013 3:43 p.m.

    @ekute
    "Superior programs are always..."

    ....finishing next to last in their conference.

    Note to ekute:

    Superior programs need to win games to be considered superior.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 27, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    @Chris B
    "I think this is the year we "arrive" in the Pac 12.

    We'll go 8-4 and be in contention for the Pac 12 South Crown(and subsequent Pac 12 title game and Rose Bowl"

    Hahaha...you know how to tell when you're close to the start of fall practices? Chris B starts proclaiming pre-season Rose Bowl championships.

    Mark it down Chris, that's ridiculous.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 27, 2013 3:34 p.m.

    Stormcloud

    "Did we mention Whittingham as Coach of the Year 2008 ?"

    Whittingham had one great year, in 2008,...

    and very little before or since.

    Bronco has more bowls, more Top 25 finishes, more Top 15 finishes, more 10-win seasons, more conference championships, more wins, and fewer losses.

    Kyle has more losses to 10-loss teams, more losses to conference bottom dwellers, and more losses to teams with losing records.

    Bottom line:

    Bronco's average Sagarin ranking during the last 8 years: 30.4 (and rising)
    Kyle's average Sagarin ranking during the last 8 years: 36.8 (and falling)

    Face it, Kyle's flash-in-the-pan success is fading.

  • stampederus Ephraim, UT
    July 27, 2013 3:23 p.m.

    Chris, I've been marking down your predictions and they are rarely correct. I think most, if not all, are wishful thinking with no factual basis.

  • Utah74 Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 27, 2013 1:43 p.m.

    I have suspended my directv service, you can for up to six months. After reading this ariicle I am going to call them back and tell them I am not paying them again until they get the Pac-12 network. ( I still have 8 months on my contract) They have voided my contract by not providing a complete sports programming package and unless they get the pac-12 network by the beginning of the season I will switch to Dish or Comcast and be done with them. I do not have my payment automatically taken from my account so I can just stop sending them payments.

  • clehman Sandy, UT
    July 27, 2013 1:32 p.m.

    It's clear that the only thing you can count on pre-season are BYU trollers and NC predictions. The silence will be deafening when Utah wins their 6th game this year, but it will be sweet.

  • Dave Duncan Orem, UT
    July 27, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    Whit doesn't care if he's ranked 7th or 12th? Does he even realize that the ranking is 5th out of the 6 teams in his division?

    Maybe he thought the ranking was 5th out of 12. No wonder he's not alarmed. He doesn't have a clue.

  • Hailstorm is a coming Riverdale, UT
    July 27, 2013 12:38 p.m.

    @ Whatsnu
    Did we mention Whittingham as Coach of the Year 2008 ?

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    July 27, 2013 12:31 p.m.

    @ Ute Monkey

    So will Utah still have a 5-7 record if they played Snow College?

    No Bowls.

  • Ute Monkey Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 27, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    On a side note, Utah should look at raising their strength of schedule by replacing BYU games with games against Snow College

  • FYI Taylorsville, UT
    July 27, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    @Cougar Independence

    "We know one thing for sure: BYU will play anybody, anywhere, anytime"

    Unless that school is Utah State. You are aware that BYU did not play USU in 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2007. In addition the last time the game was held in Logan was 2010, a two-for-one deal in favor of BYU. Now since you stated "At least Utah State had the moxy to play BYU every year," I can only conclude that the years there were no games with Utah State or not home/home was an unwillingness on the part of BYU.

    However, it is nice to see that an adjustment has been made in the 2015 schedule changing the originally scheduled game with USU from Oct 2 in Provo,(which once again would have made it a two-for-one), to Nov 28 in Logan.

  • Ute Monkey Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 27, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    Look I can do it too:

    Virginia-loss
    Texas-loss
    Utah-loss
    Who the deuce is Middle Tennessee?-win
    Utah St.-loss
    Georgia Tech-loss
    Houston-toss up
    Boise St.-loss
    Wisconsin-loss
    Idaho St.? Really?...-win
    Notre Dame- loss
    Nevada-toss up

    Wow that was easy, I should become an analyst.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    July 27, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    BluedevilUte

    Sorry to burst your crimson-colored bubble, but here are the REAL cold hard facts:

    Record and Average Sagarin Rankings

    Last 10 Years
    BYU 83-43, 35.2
    Utah 92-34, 32.3

    Bronco/Kyle era
    BYU 74-29, 30.4
    Utah 70-32, 36.8

    Last 5 Years
    BYU 46-19, 30.4
    Utah 46-18, 31.0

    It's clear that apart from a couple of great seasons in 2004 and 2008, that overall, BYU has been gaining on the Utes since the Crowton era, and BYU is slowly pulling ahead of the Utes.

    Since 2008

    BYU is 36-16, 30.0 Sagarin average, has beaten two Top 25 teams, #18/#18 Utah and #16/#17 Utah State, is 4-0 in bowls, and has finished #12/#12 and ur/#25 in the polls.

    Utah is 33-18, 37.5 Sagarin average, has beaten one Top 25 team, ur/#25 BYU, is 2-1 in bowls, and has finished #18/#18 and ur/#23 in the polls.

    Sagarin Rankings since 2008
    BYU 15, 45, 34, 26
    Utah 24, 26, 39, 61

    BYU has finished with a better record and higher ranking 3 of the last 4 years.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    July 27, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    Well, utah doesn't have the moxy to play BYU every year, so I'm wondering what Utah fans will do when they go 4-8 or 3-9 over the next 3 years and don't have BYU on their schedule?

    At least Utah State had the moxy to play BYU every year. Can't say the same for the little school up on the hill.

    We know one thing for sure: BYU will play anybody, anywhere, anytime. Utah, afraid of losing to their rival and doesn't even want to step on the field with them. Says a lot about the character and courage of those administrators, coaches, fans, and students at the little school on the hill.

    Go Cougars!

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    July 27, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    Another football article and the same tired comments from a lot of BYU trolls. Do you even read the article before making your posts?

    I like the attitude Whit has this year. We may be a year away from winning a reasonable number of conference games and have an extremely difficult schedule. I think the Utes will make some progress this year and see a number of players develop - QB, LB, DB positions are all very young and need to grow up quickly to generate wins.

    Realistic goals for the year would be to win all 3 in state games and 3 conference games to qualify for a bowl. Record could be anywhere from 2 to 8 wins, likely coming in with about 5 at the end of the year. Love to see the team finish above .500 and then go into next year battling for the top spot in the division.

  • slugworth Hyrum, UT
    July 27, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    Hey, it doesn't matter what your record is as long as everyone can put PAC-12 stickers in the back window of their cars, right?

  • Hailstorm is a coming Riverdale, UT
    July 27, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    The Utes may surprise some teams. 8-4 is not out of the question + a bowl win. That is my opinion for the upcoming campaign in 2013.

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    July 27, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    Ok Utes - Show your pride and pull out the PAC11+u flags! Better to be part of the PAC11+u and lose than anywhere else and win - a common sentiment amongst Utes now that is absolutely hilarious! Only in SLC!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 27, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    clehman
    Sandy, UT

    "Except for the win loss column recently. Recent win loss column (U vs Y) is a much better indicator of future success than bringing in a 40 or 50 year average."

    I hate to call you out again, because I don't recall ever seeing you on the Y side trolling, but this statement, too, warrants rebuttal. Based on the results of the brutal thrashing Utah administered two years ago, at LES no less, Utah fans were predicting a total humiliation at your house for BYU last year.

    U know what they say about the light at the end of the tunnel? For one of us, September can't come soon enough and the other will just wish September would go away. Time will tell, though, not history.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 27, 2013 7:41 a.m.

    Generally, I apologize for my fellow BYU fans who have come here wallowing in the U's predicted misery this season. I LIKE coach Whit and the U football team, respect them, and look forward to my team defeating them. I really do hope the U surprises a few teams this year and finishes above expectations.

    But I gotta take a shot at this:

    clehman
    Sandy, UT

    "Hilarious how all these Agg fans come on here like they own us or something. You guys barely beat us in overtime at your place last year.

    People gonna be mighty scurred in Logan-town when their team comes into SLC all full of themselves, and leaves with their tails between their legs. Eyes will be opened around the country, and tears will be shed."

    The irony speaks for itself.

  • byufanman west valley city, utah
    July 27, 2013 7:38 a.m.

    I can understand why coach whitt isn't concerned about being in 5th place in his division - that's the utes comfy spot. It will always be a battle between the utes and Colorado for that coveted spot. Better 5th than 6th! Utah and Colorado will never ever get the talent that the west coast or Arizona teams get. Um let me see USC or Utah. PLEASE!!!

    Go cougs!!

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 27, 2013 6:54 a.m.

    BYU fans,

    It's only a pre-season prediction. It means nothing. You guys take too much stock in pre-season polls and predictions which mean absolutely nothing. If these polls meant anything, then you would award yourselves national champs every year. Unfortunately for you guys, though, you actually have to play your games. Then reality sets in, and you will again stumble through a mediocre season, where you beat the bad WAC teams and get beaten by the good teams, including Utah. Again.

  • BluedevilUte PAYSON, UT
    July 27, 2013 5:25 a.m.

    Ok Cougar and Aggie fans here are the cold hard facts: Utah has been great over the past ten years, and is deserving of their invite to the PAC. BYU has been good(not great), going 83-43 with their best win in the Vegas bowl. Utah State has had 2 years with winning records going 41-79. With their best win in the Potato Bowl
    Utah last ten years 92 wins 34 losses 8-1 in bowl games
    03 10-2 -Liberty Bowl Champions
    04 12-0 -BCS Fiesta Bowl Champions
    05 7-5- Emerald Bowl Champions
    06 8-5- Armed forces Bowl champions
    07 9-4 Poinsettia Bowl Champions
    08 13-0 BCS Sugar Bowl Champions
    09 10-3 Poinsettia Bowl Champions
    10 10-3 loss to Boise in Vegas bowl
    11 8-5 Sun Bowl Champions (pac 12 conf)
    12 5-7 did not qualify (pac 12 conf)
    What team has the best program in the state? Clearly Utah. Utah has had one down year in ten...TEN! With the new facilities and the quality of recruiting Utah will continue to widen the gap over BYU and USU.

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    July 26, 2013 10:28 p.m.

    Yeah - you can tell the Utes are completely overlooking all those opponents because Chris B and ekeute and RBN are too optimistic. I'm sure Whittingham and the actual football players follow the lead of the article commenters.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 26, 2013 9:34 p.m.

    utahcountyute

    As usual, our friends on the hill are wildly inconsistent in their predictions; Utah's only chance to beat most teams is to sneak up on them, while the Utes can brashly take on BYU without breaking a sweat.

    Prepare to be bitterly disappointed on both predictions. It's readily apparent that the Utes are completely overlooking at least half the teams on their schedule - Utah State, Weber State, BYU, Washington State, and Colorado.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 9:29 p.m.

    BYU will finish 1st in the Independant Conference.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    July 26, 2013 9:15 p.m.

    I like the position the Utes are in. I think they will be taken lightly this year and teams will pay.

    The cougs however will be out to avenge the last 3 losses to their older brother. Too bad they are going to have to wait for at least a few more years to feel the thrill of victory against their hated rival.

    Love PAC 12 Football!

    Go Utes!

  • Solomon the Wise Alpine, UT
    July 26, 2013 9:00 p.m.

    clehman

    "Recent win loss column (U vs Y) is a much better indicator of future success than bringing in a 40 or 50 year average."

    Not really. It's far more likely that BYU will be ranked and play in a bowl this season, than Utah, regardless of the outcome of the game on September 21st, which incidentally, will be a BYU victory.

    Before 1965, BYU had never won a conference championship or been ranked; Utah had won 21, including their 1st WAC championship and 1st Top 20 finish (in 1964).

    By the time the Utes won their next conference championship and cracked the AP poll for the very first time, BYU had won 17 conference championships and had been ranked in the final AP poll ELEVEN times.

    As they say in the investment world:

    Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

  • clehman Sandy, UT
    July 26, 2013 7:02 p.m.

    @Rockwell:

    Except for the win loss column recently. Recent win loss column (U vs Y) is a much better indicator of future success than bringing in a 40 or 50 year average.

    8 out of the last 11.

    Tears will be shed when that becomes 9 out of the last 12.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    July 26, 2013 6:55 p.m.

    RBN

    When you have entire seasons and ratings to compare, you want to limit comparisons to single games. Seriously?

    Was UNLV(2-10) BETTER than Utah(9-4)? Not just for that game, but for the entire season.

    Was Colorado(3-10) BETTER than Utah(8-5)? Not just for that game, but for the entire season.

    The exact same standard applies when comparing BYU and Utah.

  • bpack88 LOGAN, UT
    July 26, 2013 6:43 p.m.

    RBN
    you are right I was quoting a kool aid drinker and being sarcastic at the end.

  • Hondo Sacramento, CA
    July 26, 2013 5:42 p.m.

    Rockwell and scenic view = same person

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 26, 2013 5:13 p.m.

    Sports is such a good way to get the mind of daily routines.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    @bpack88,

    Your comment that Utah is "right back to where you were 30 years ago in the WAC" couldn't be more wrong. Evidence: 8-3 against BYU over the last 11 years. As I recall, BYU was winning most games 30 years ago.

    Also, nice effort to minimize membership in a power conference. Unfortunately, your argument holds no water.

    @atl

    Sagarin ratings over last 10 years? Really? When you have head to head games you want to look at Sagarin ratings? Please.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    July 26, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    "Whittingham not too concerned over 5th-place prediction..."

    Why should he be concerned or upset? Even Kyle is starting to accept where Utah really fits in the PAC 12 pecking order. Besides, Kyle isn't a good front runner - see 2009, when the Utes were "on the verge" of winning a NC, before TCU, or 2011, when the Utes had a PAC South all locked up, before Colorado.

    Kyle prefers sneaking up on foes in perfect storm seasons, like 2008. Unfortunately for U, he's just as likely to lay an egg, as in 2012.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 26, 2013 4:40 p.m.

    atl134

    Average Sagarin Rankings:

    Utah fans like to use the bcs era or their first bcs busting season as a starting pointing. I prefer starting "recent history" with BYU's Cotton Bowl win, which, in addition to 2001, helped open the door for the Utes to crack the bcs party.

    Average Sagarin Ratings Since 1996
    BYU 40.5
    Utah 41.9

    Last 15
    BYU 40.7
    Utah 39.7

    Last 10
    BYU 35.2
    Utah 32.3

    Last 5
    BYU 30.4
    Utah 31.0

    A near statistical dead heat for the last 17 years, with Utah winning 9 of 17, but BYU finishing ahead of Utah in the rankings 10 of 17. BYU winning more games 143-73 to 139-67, but Utah having a slightly better winning percentage 67% to 66%.

    The recent "superiority" that Utah fans claim, simply does not exist.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    Uteology,
    Nope. I am not a lipstick expert. But I think pink suits Utes the best. When they graduate then they will be able to wear Royal Blue; but they will still be the pig of he PAC 11+u south.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    Andrewute1,
    Except that the Utes have no teeth to bite. Now USC, Stanford, Ucla, Arizona, Ariz. St, Oregon, Washington, Washington St (this year) and Oregon St., they have teeth. You are gonna feel the hurt this year so better put some padding on the old rear end. Maybe some more pink lipstick will also help.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 4:15 p.m.

    RBN

    Amazing how the kids on the hill think that one game makes a season.

    13 of the last 16 games in the BYU-Utah series have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime.

    Only a delusional Utah fan would claim that proves any sort of superiority, especially when Utah has been worse than BYU in record and ranking for most of the Bronco/Kyle era.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 26, 2013 4:09 p.m.

    bpack88

    Utah has finished with worse records and lower rankings in 5 of 8 seasons during the Bronco/Kyle era.

    AP/Coaches/Sagarin Team Record
    2005 unranked/#55 BYU(6-6) less than unranked/#51 Utah(7-5)
    2006 #16/#15/#19 BYU(11-2) GREATER THAN unranked/#54 Utah(8-5)
    2007 #14/#15/#17 BYU(11-2) GREATER THAN unranked/#34 Utah(9-4)
    2008 #25/#21/#32 BYU(10-3) less than #4/#5/#4 Utah(13-0)
    2009 #12/#12/#15 BYU(11-2) GREATER THAN #18/#18/#24 Utah(10-3)
    2010 unranked/#45 BYU(7-6) less than ur/#23/#26 Utah(10-3)
    2011 ur/#25/#34 BYU(10-3) GREATER THAN unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)
    2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) GREATER THAN unranked/#61 Utah(5-7)

    Top 25 Rankings
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 4

    Top 15 Rankings
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    10+ Win Seasons
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    Bowls
    Bronco 8
    Kyle 7

    Overall Record
    Bronco 74-29
    Kyle 70-32

    Kyle's had one undefeated season and one losing season.
    Bronco's had three Top 15 finishes and no losing seasons.

    Advantage: BYU/Bronco

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 3:57 p.m.

    @RBN
    "but the fact remains Utah is the superior program."

    If we look at the average final Sagarin ranking for both teams over the past ten years you get something like BYU: 33 Utah: 35 which is close enough that it's basically a tie (Utah has the best and worst years of the 10 for each).

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    July 26, 2013 3:56 p.m.

    Come on Ute fans we have no right to be arrogant. Sure we beat BYU every year but that's not really making a statement now is it? Let's shut our mouths and let the chips fall where they may. As we battle week in and week out in an actual conference on the national stage we can bask in the glory of being relevant to Mormons and Non-Mormons alike. All the while being comforted by the hot air blowing at us from the south.

    On a serious note BYU was picked to be #1 in their conference today.

    Good for you BYU good for you.

  • ExecutorIoh West Jordan, UT
    July 26, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    Amazing how the Ute forget that all they have is the last decade. What did the Utes accomplish before 2002 and have have they done since 2010? The opening game for the Utes this year is on a TV channel that doesn't yet exist!

    It is fun and easy to trash the Utes because we know that the Utes had a great few years, but that is about it. You guys will never be able to compete in the Pac-12, like the Minnesota's and Iowa States of the big conferences (I would say Kansas, but they play basketball). You have one of the smallest stadiums and one of the smallest athletic budgets of the so-called power conferences, you can't compare. The argument on recruiting is what KWhitt throws out there to keep the admin off his back and to buy his job a couple more years, in reality everybody's recruiting has gotten better, with more and better talent and TV exposure. Utes lost a TON of lettermen last year, accept it or not, but this is a rebuilding year for the Utes. Rebuilding they may never recover from.

  • andrewute1 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    The Ute players are loving the hate right now. Back a dog into a corner and its going to bite.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 3:08 p.m.

    Amazing how the Cougar trolls forget that Utah has been the superior team for the past decade, winning 3 of the last 4, 5 of the last 6, and 8 of the last 11 games. The margin of victory for the Utes has been between 1 and 44 points, with three games being more than 20 ponts. The margin of victory for BYU? 2 to 7 points.

    So trash the Utes as much as you like, but the fact remains Utah is the superior program. So given that you think Utah is so horrible, how does the rest of the Pac-12 view the Cougars (losers of 8 of 11 to the Utes)? Enjoy your independence.

  • clehman Sandy, UT
    July 26, 2013 2:59 p.m.

    Hilarious how all these Agg fans come on here like they own us or something. You guys barely beat us in overtime at your place last year.

    People gonna be mighty scurred in Logan-town when their team comes into SLC all full of themselves, and leaves with their tails between their legs. Eyes will be opened around the country, and tears will be shed.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 26, 2013 2:56 p.m.

    I'll withhold my opinion till after the Weber game.

    Weber 42
    Utah 17

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    Oh I'm an idiot... the article has poll numbers for me to use for average rankings...
    1. UCLA (12) — 130
    2. Arizona State (9) — 124
    3. USC (4) — 113
    4. Arizona — 73
    5. UTAH — 58
    6. Colorado — 27

    Average rating:
    UCLA: 1.80
    ASU: 2.04
    USC: 2.48
    Arizona: 4.08
    Utah: 4.68
    Colorado: 5.92

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 2:48 p.m.

    I'd predict 5th, even as a Ute student. I mean really, consider the final Sagarin rankings from last season.
    28 ASU
    31 UCLA
    33 USC
    44 UA
    61 UofU
    155 CU

    Even if Utah is better next year based on things like presumably having a healthy starting QB all year, which team ahead of it is really expected to be any worse next year? Utah has plenty of upside with this prediction (it's easier seeing them 2nd in the division than 6th) but 5th is a pretty rational prediction based on the competition. One could argue that one of the four ahead of them is liable to be below expectations but since we don't know which one that is yet predicting it isn't all that logical. I guess the way to say it is that if we ran a bunch of simulations of the conference it might be something like

    Average finish in division:
    UCLA 2.1
    Arizona State 2.7
    USC 2.9
    Arizona 3.6
    Utah 4.1
    Colorado 5.6

    Obviously, I made up those numbers, the point is that there's margin of error in predictions and understanding uncertainty is critical.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    July 26, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    I would call it like this:

    For sure wins (5)
    Utah State, Weber State, BYU, Washington State, Colorado
    WA St. and Colorado have major problems. Weber St. does not have the athletes to compete. USU will bring a good game but will lose at home. BYU – this is like a home game for Utah. Same results as the last three years

    Probable wins (2)
    Oregon State, Arizona
    These were games Utah should have won last year but did not make the plays. I would expect Utah to make the plays this year.

    Probable losses (2)
    ASU, Oregon
    Oregon is better than Utah and Utah plays them on the road. ASU always plays their best game of the year against Utah and they have talent.

    Could go either way (win at least 1 maybe 2)
    UCLA, Stanford, USC
    Most likely win is UCLA. Utah has them at home and nearly beat them on the road last year. USC will be down this year but Utah plays them on the road. Stanford is not the team it has been the last few years and Utah has them at home.

    8-4 or 9-3

  • bpack88 LOGAN, UT
    July 26, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    skywalker
    Palo Alto, CA
    silent stalker

    ""So if Utah is the doormat of the PAC 12 with no respect, does that make BYU...?

    Utah's fortunes have very little affect on BYU. The Cougars remain a perennial Top 25 team with a great nationwide fan base and continued national respect, as proven by the numerous national individual award watch lists BYU players appeared on.

    A couple of fluke wins still leaves U a flash-in-the-pan program with a couple of great seasons, and very little before or since. In truth, except for receiving a bigger conference pay check, you're right back to where you were 30 years ago in the WAC. A conference also ran, with BYU as your bowl game."

    I like your comparisons to the utah 30 years ago except utah has ruled you the last 13 years, we are in a power conference and you are not, our recruiting is better than byU's by a lot, and if byU is our bowl game then why did we decide not to schedule you the next two years?

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    July 26, 2013 1:58 p.m.

    silent stalker

    "So if Utah is the doormat of the PAC 12 with no respect, does that make BYU...?

    Utah's fortunes have very little affect on BYU. The Cougars remain a perennial Top 25 team with a great nationwide fan base and continued national respect, as proven by the numerous national individual award watch lists BYU players appeared on.

    A couple of fluke wins still leaves U a flash-in-the-pan program with a couple of great seasons, and very little before or since. In truth, except for receiving a bigger conference pay check, you're right back to where you were 30 years ago in the WAC. A conference also ran, with BYU as your bowl game.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 26, 2013 1:55 p.m.

    Down under
    Salt Lake City, UT

    uteology,
    The national and PAC experts respectfully disagree with you. Maybe they should have consulted you before making any predictions.

    Like someone said earlier about the lipstick, keep painting the pig. When you run out I will send the Mary Kay lady over so you can reorder. Would you like Crimson a powder-puff pink?

    -----------

    It seems you know more about lady products so I will let you decide.

    The national PAC experts had Utah projected #2 in the South and we finished #5th in 2011.

    I will wait to make my judgement until game 2. You are free to do whatever you like.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 26, 2013 1:39 p.m.

    Funny to see byu fans attacking Utah football because the Utes have owned them in the past three, five, ten, fifteen and all time series. So if Utah is the doormat of the PAC 12 with no respect, does that make byu the independent dirt under the doormat? LOL! What does that say about their sorry little program? Perhaps it's because nobody wants them in their conference? Of course they can always brag about winning eight games and having played in a tier three bowl game. After all they played six patsies and only lost to the four of the five decent teams on their schedule.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    July 26, 2013 1:30 p.m.

    CAPT Tay

    Don't bet the ranch on it.

    The Utes will be alot closer to 3-9 than they'll be to 9-3.

    ---------

    Uteology

    It's going to be so delicious watching the Utes being destroyed by a "cupcake" on September 21st.

  • Atrix Vancouver, WA
    July 26, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    Funny how here in Pac-10.2 country I have to consistently remind people that the Utes are in the same conference. I find it interesting how many of them call the Utes a MWC team. I guess if you look like, play like, and whine like the little guy, then maybe in fact you are the little guy in the big conference. Sorry to break it to ya Utes.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    uteology,
    The national and PAC experts respectfully disagree with you. Maybe they should have consulted you before making any predictions.

    Like someone said earlier about the lipstick, keep painting the pig. When you run out I will send the Mary Kay lady over so you can reorder. Would you like Crimson a powder-puff pink?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 26, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    Yes BYU fans we could be a bottom feeder this year, but still it could be worse:

    BYU finished 5th in the MWC in 2010 with a future Heisman QB who now plays in Kansas.

    IMO game one will show if DE and Wilson can turn the offense around.

    If we can improve to a top 40-50 offense I think that's a big improvement. If so look for a 7-5 season.

    If not then a 3 win season against three cupcakes: BYU, Weber State, Colorado

  • CAPT Tay Littleton, CO
    July 26, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    Utah St - win
    Weber St - win
    Oregon St - win
    at BYU - win
    UCLA - win
    Stanford - win
    at Arizona - loss
    at USC - win
    Arizona St - win
    at Oregon - loss
    at WSU - win
    Colorado - win

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 12:21 p.m.

    Come on guys. Let's ease up a bit. The Utah fans already feel bad enough that they are in the basement of their beloved conference. Let's show them some love, especially Chris B.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 26, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    Haha. Utah jist has not idea how bad they have it. Thy probably haven't ever won a good team.

  • ExecutorIoh West Jordan, UT
    July 26, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    Just a good, ole fashion roasting. The whole finished 5th in the P12-South just started the show. No animosity or jealously, just fun at Chris B and his "Mark it Down(s)".

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    July 26, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    I think we are piling it on the Utes. I honestly think this year the Utes will have a special performance and beat ONE team in conference play that have a winning record this year. The most likely good PAC12 team for the Utes to beat will be Arizona State only because the Utes have a bye the week before.

    Utah will beat either Colorado or Washington State.
    Weber State will be the Utes best win on the schedule.

    The Utes have at least three wins if not four on the schedule.

    6 wins will be an incredible year for the Utes
    5 wins THIS year is over-achieving
    4 wins is expected

  • goforit Provo, UT
    July 26, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    Neither BYU or Utah will be great until both fan bases grow up. The rest of the nation laughs at the way fans act in this state.

    Every year it is look how good we are and how bad the other one is. The fact is neither team will have a stellar year this year. I think both will struggle to be bowl eligible.

    Looking at each schedule I see Utah best at 6 & 6. BYU best hope 7 & 5. I think Utah will beat BYU again.

    Utah will be better on offence but weaker on defense. BYU will only be slightly better offensively but much worse on defense. I really don't think either goes to a bowl game though.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    July 26, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    I like how they picked ASU to win the south. I thought that might be a bit high but then remembered we don't play Oregon or Stanford. That would be to our benefit. I hope no Utah fans have the delusion that they are going to beat us again. They say it every year and the two times we've played ASU came out on top (quite easily last year I might add).

  • RedUtes08 West Jordan, UT
    July 26, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    Man, there are more Trolls on here than Ute fans. I can't wait to see who walks the walk, instead of talking the talk...

    Can't wait for August 29th! Tailgates and Stadium Lights!! Better Than CHRISTMAS!!!!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 26, 2013 11:00 a.m.

    Typical postings on a Utah story: A bunch of posts by Chris B and an avalanche of troller responses to his posts.

    Entertainment at it's finest!!

    Go Utes!!

  • Ernest T. Zass Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 10:48 a.m.

    We're going to smoke Colorado this year! I'll bet my single-wide on it!

  • Tilka PORTLAND, OR
    July 26, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    What the heck? or should I say Oh my heck? did anyone else notice that on College football today on espn yesterday they predicted the finish for the Pac 12 southern division and discussed every team EXCEPT Utah?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 26, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    Superior programs are always hated and feared by their inferior neighbors.

    Go Utes.

  • Todd Christiansen's Thesaurus Ogden, UT
    July 26, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    PAC 10.2 members were upset the 9-game conference schedule was too tough until they remembered Utah and Colorado were included in the schedule.

    To those reading who may be considering an offer to play for the utes, consider the utes don't go to bowl games anymore and outside of games with BYU and games against Oregon and 1 or 2 other PAC 10.2 teams, their games won't be televised.

  • AlottaBalatas Centerville, UT
    July 26, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    Hilarious!

    Twenty comments so far and all but one poster is dogging the Utes. Obsession with everything Utes is the true form of flattery, er uh, jealousy.

    Guess 8 of 11 will do that.

  • Ironmomo Ogden, Utah
    July 26, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    Chris B

    I honestly think that "within the last week of two of the season" you'll be wondering how good your basketball team is going to be for the upcoming season and what BCS bowl games you plan on watching from the comfort of your couch.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    Chrissy, we've arrived alright. We've settled in and have all our furniture arranged in the PAC basement apartment. Wazzu is thrilled to welcome us and Colorado as their replacements.

    While it's extremely comical that your fantasy includes the PAC championship game and the Rose Bowl this year the ultimate laugher is when you call out Ifel Of'a-sofa with a 'storming the field' reference after you did it three times against lowly independent BYU that your only 2 friends refer to as WAC level. Haven't you 'marked down' the Rose Bowl for 3 years now? Utah football has never been further from the Rose Bowl than it is right now. Mark that down sister.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    July 26, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    Utah St - loss
    Weber St - win
    Oregon St - loss
    at BYU - loss
    UCLA - loss
    Stanford - loss
    at Arizona - loss
    at USC - loss
    Arizona St - loss
    at Oregon - loss
    at WSU - tossup
    Colorado - tossup

    Yep; if the Utes split their tossups and pull a conference upset somewhere, 2 conference wins are possible. 5th/6th in the PAC South could hang in the balance Thanksgiving weekend.

    Overall, 3-9 likely, with an outside chance at 4-8. Either way, U can count on being home for the Holidays.

  • Ernest T. Zass Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    Thank goodness for Colorado.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    July 26, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    uts you have to win to storm a field... let us know when that happens will ya?

  • International Cougar Fan Tacoma, WA
    July 26, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    Mark it Down!

    The only big conference in College Football is the SEC with their continued domination of the BCS championship game.

    No other conference comes close.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    July 26, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    this just in... utes jump ahead of BYU as the most hated team, but stay in the cellar of the pac

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 26, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    "...be in contention for the Pac 12 South Crown(and subsequent Pac 12 title game and Rose Bowl)"

    Ha-ha-ha!!! Ha-ha-ha!!! Ha-ha-ha!!!

    Mark it down (the laughter, that is).

    I knew it was just a matter of time before you started crowing about the Rose Bowl again. That, my friend, is really hilarious. How was your bowl last year;did you score 100 at Orchard Lanes?

    You can't make this stuff up; too funny!! Thanks for providing comic relief today, truly.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 26, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    Not sure the utes will finish ahead of Colorado.

    After a beating from the Aggies, and Cougars, there won't be much gas left in the tank.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 26, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    Chris, in the words of Doug Wright, "Are you delusional?"

    Just getting an invite doesn't make you an upper-level performer. Someone has to be at the bottom of the conference and of course it's "U" and will continue to be "U".

    Picking Colorado last was a little bones of kindness tossed out for the Utes, who have lost to Colorado in SLC so maybe Utah will be #6. Must feel awfully good to be fighting for the #5 spot out-of-six teams, huh? That's the PAC 12 for you.

    How is Utah going to get that split----are one of their opponents going to forfeit the game?

    LOL!!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 26, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    Frankly 5th might be to high.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    "We'll go 8-4 and be in contention for the Pac 12 South Crown(and subsequent Pac 12 title game and Rose Bowl) within the last week or two of the season."

    bwaaaahaha!

    The truth is, you'll be lucky to finish 4-8 and you'll out of conference contention by early October.

    If you're lucky, you'll sneak past Colorado to avoid the PAC basement.

  • The Anti Chris Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    Chrissy,
    Nor ridiculous. It reality from people in the know. Get used to it buddy. This is what the future hold for the utsies. Enjoy your membership. I watched the ESPN special last night on the PAC 11+u and the utes were not even mentioned. How sad. You could always be a BYU fan since they go to bowl games and receive tons of national attention AND play on TV each week.

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 26, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    "After being picked to finish second in the South Division in their first two seasons in the Pac-12, they’re tabbed to finish fifth in this season’s preseason media poll — ahead of Colorado..."

    The honeymoon is over for Utah and the media are finally realizing that the Utes are all talk, but no walk, when it comes to being a PAC contender.

    Luckily, the Utes share the PAC South will fellow basement dweller Colorado.

    The Pillow Fight in the Rockies is becoming an "epic" event in PAC history. LOL!

  • Ute buster Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    Pipe dreams Crissy. Like someone said the other day; You can out lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    Like I have been saying for two years now; The PAC does not recognize Utah as a relevant participant. Trust me, I work for a PAC school in the athletics department. Utah is just there to pad the big boy's w/l records. Even more true with basketball.
    Chris, how is your PAC 11+u membership feeling right now?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    Ify Sofa,

    Congratulations on your big win over Utah last year.

    YOu guys already planning on storming the field again next time it happens, in 2030?

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    July 26, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    They should put Utah in North division....just for fun!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    Trolls,

    I have just one questions:

    Any big conferences call you guys lately about joining?

    No?

    LOL!

    Long Live the Pac 12!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 9:24 a.m.

    Mark this down.

    Utah will finish 3rd or better in the South, and will SPLIT(2-2) the games against Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, and USC.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    That is ridiculous.

    I think the winner of the Pac 12 south will have 2-3 losses, as they have the past couple years.

    I think this is the year we "arrive" in the Pac 12.

    We'll go 8-4 and be in contention for the Pac 12 South Crown(and subsequent Pac 12 title game and Rose Bowl) within the last week or two of the season.

    I think anyone but Colorado has a chance to win this thing.

    Go Utes!

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    July 26, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    5th in the south is equal to 10th in the pac... mark it down!

    It is better to win in the MWC than lose in the pac.

    Go Aggies!