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Published: Thursday, July 25 2013 9:30 p.m. MDT

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

I cross the border a lot. Especially Canadian, but also into Mexico. Time and again, for all the hype we have here about border security, I cannot believe what I see people think they are entitled to do when leaving the united states. Once at Coutts I was discussing my re entry with the border official; I had the truck and trailer. All my documents were in order. An old guy wanders up from behind on foot, squeezes between my vehicle and the building, and interrupts my conversation to ask where the bathroom is. Dude in the booth asks..."And who are you? Please show your documents; you've just crossed an international boundary..." I got to go on; that guy was going to have a bad day. The signs are there. The last exit is 297. Declare your firearms. It says so. Sorry, but that's the deal. Don't be surprised if the process does not tolerate stupid.

RG
Buena Vista, VA

Of course she should have told them about the gun, but none of this would have happened had the Canadian border agents just allowed them to turn around. They didn't even want to enter Canada! Sounds like the Canadian border agents need some training in everyday common sense.

Uncle Rico
Sandy, UT

Don't worry Tatiana, Canadian officials are equally rude if you enter legally without contraband as well. The best part about Canada, is leaving Canada.

FromSunnyStGeorge
ST GEORGE, UT

Crossed into Canada this afternoon by way of Del Bonita. Have some damage to my back end due to recent accident and my trunk doesn't open right now. He could see the damage from the accident but he could have immediately impounded my vehicle, torn it apart or dismantled it piece by piece. Have had that happen to friends in the past that were suspected. The car is then returned to you in hundreds of pieces and you are told to move you pile of junk. So no, you don't want to mess with the border agents. Make no mistake about it. It is always a gamble as to whether or not you will be singled out and you lose every right as a citizen to "innocent until proven guilty" when crossing a border. By driving up you are pre-authorizing the agents to "unreasonable search and seizure." They don't have to have a reason. They just need to feel there is a chance you have something.

Doug10
Roosevelt, UT

I think her ignorance should over rule any laws of other countries. I too have been across that border and I am betting that an illegal u turn would have proven to have been a lesser cost.

I had a friend who vacationed in Canada every year and got caught coming across the Coutts border by USA guards. They spent 7 hours going through his personal things, taking him in a room and interogating he and his wife seperately, then repeating the process. At the end of the day they found nothing, left his belongings in a pile on the pavement and ignored pleas of respect and common decency.

Both sides of the border employ people who are trying to enforce laws they know nothing about. They pay those people $14 an hour and expect them to fill quotas of so many busts and so many tickets and so many seizures.

It should not surprise anyone but it happens going both ways across that border.

Maudine
SLC, UT

So, the border agents were doing their job. What is the big deal?

It is your responsibility when you get in a car to know where you are going - especially when you are that close to an international border.

She and her friend knew there was a gun in the car. It was their responsibility to mention it when asked about it.

Yes, this was a very expensive lesson to learn - but it was her actions that led to the outcome.

GiuseppeG
Murray, Utah

So how is an unloaded 9mm handgun supposed to protect you? Do you club your attacker with it? Do you throw it as a distraction and run away? Do you offer it as a bribe? Just wondering....

Maudine
SLC, UT

@ GiuseppeG: I was wondering the same thing. I was also wondering if it would place them in more danger - no one they point it at is going to know it is unloaded and may take it as a threat and act accordingly.

AZKID
Mapleton, UT

No real surprise here. My family and I went to Niagra falls last summer, and we crossed the boarder on foot to view the falls from the Canadian side. We found the Canadian border gaurds to be extrordinarily rude and disagreeable. Maybe it is a badge of courage among their ranks to see how much trouble they can cause for their law-abiding neighbors to the south.

sally
Kearns, UT

Our family has never had a problem crossing into Canada. We are always prepared with the necessary documents.

rlsintx
Plano, TX

Don't go into foreign countries without knowing the law. Canada will nail you for infractions, and handguns are one of the prime things they're looking for. I was there last week. And don't cop an attitude with them. These guards are not rude, they're just very formal and direct. Same goes when returning to the US. I have relatives who work for RCMP and customs in Canada, it's serious, serious business.

Strider303
Salt Lake City, UT

A comment on the headline: The use of the word "teen" implies juvenile, technically the lady was of teen age years but an adult. Teen implies not mature, someone not of age of maturity and able to be responsible. After reading the story and getting the idea that since the lady was ignorant, not observant of her surroundings, unaware of the border between sovereign nations, and the possibility of different laws and customs she thought she should have been excused or let go because she was American, I conclude the headline was correct.

I conclude she was more or less typical of a modern American high school attendee, totally clueless about the world and with a sense of entitlement or being special so the laws, regardless of the attitude of the Canadian officials did not apply to her.

Heavens, some states have laws regarding transporting firearms and any police officer would want to know why the weapon was in the car and what they were going to do with it.

Unfortunately, the Second Amendment doesn't require competent carbon based life forms to own a firearm.

From Ted's Head
Orem, UT

"The sign said 'Freeway entrance' and then 'Border,' so we said, ‘We'll just get off before the border,'" McEwan said.

I was curious and looked it up on google maps/street view and the signs are "Highway Entrance" and "5 North Border Crossing". Yeah, they should have been paying more attention, but the entrance is off of a traffic circle and they might not have had a good look at the sign. And, as there is no way they could turn around once they went up the onramp, you would think that a sign saying "Entering Canada" would have been more appropriate. They certainly can't be the first people to make this mistake.

Maudine
SLC, UT

@ From Ted's Head: Wait, you are in Utah and you managed to look at a map and see what the roads were? Imagine how much trouble could have been avoided if these girls had done that!

Rick B.
West Jordan, UT

A mall in Blaine? You've got to be kidding. The border guys should be commended for doing their job. Americans who think they can do anything they want, wherever they are - well, that's the problem. Telling the agent they "promise" they don't have anything illegal, and then to find out they were lying about the gun - that's so 13 years old. It's always worked at home, but it's sure different out there in the real world.

Eliyahu
Pleasant Grove, UT

GiuseppeG is right. How is putting an unloaded handgun in the trunk of a car driven by someone who doesn't know how to use it and has no ammunition supposed to provide any sort of
"protection"? Were they planning on going someplace that is in the midst of a civil war or visiting hotbeds of crime and gang activity? It was an incredibly stupid decision, and they got off easy under the circumstances.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@GiuseppeG
"So how is an unloaded 9mm handgun supposed to protect you?"

I assume by bluffing. Though really, an armed robbery victim is statistically more likely to be shot if they (the victim of the robbery) have a gun.

JayTee
Sandy, UT

Once again the leftists are all over this one with comments regarding how evil guns are and how wonderful the Canooks are for outlawing them and keeping them out of the hands of the average person. Amazing.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ JayTee: I think I missed the comments talking about the evil of guns and how wonderful Canada is for outlawing them.

Perhaps you could identify those comments?

The only gun comments I have seen on here are ones questioning the value of having a gun that is not loaded.

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