I cross the border a lot. Especially Canadian, but also into Mexico. Time and
again, for all the hype we have here about border security, I cannot believe
what I see people think they are entitled to do when leaving the united states.
Once at Coutts I was discussing my re entry with the border official; I had the
truck and trailer. All my documents were in order. An old guy wanders up from
behind on foot, squeezes between my vehicle and the building, and interrupts my
conversation to ask where the bathroom is. Dude in the booth asks..."And who
are you? Please show your documents; you've just crossed an international
boundary..." I got to go on; that guy was going to have a bad day. The signs
are there. The last exit is 297. Declare your firearms. It says so. Sorry, but
that's the deal. Don't be surprised if the process does not tolerate
Of course she should have told them about the gun, but none of this would have
happened had the Canadian border agents just allowed them to turn around. They
didn't even want to enter Canada! Sounds like the Canadian border agents
need some training in everyday common sense.
Don't worry Tatiana, Canadian officials are equally rude if you enter
legally without contraband as well. The best part about Canada, is leaving
Crossed into Canada this afternoon by way of Del Bonita. Have some damage to my
back end due to recent accident and my trunk doesn't open right now. He
could see the damage from the accident but he could have immediately impounded
my vehicle, torn it apart or dismantled it piece by piece. Have had that happen
to friends in the past that were suspected. The car is then returned to you in
hundreds of pieces and you are told to move you pile of junk. So no, you
don't want to mess with the border agents. Make no mistake about it. It is
always a gamble as to whether or not you will be singled out and you lose every
right as a citizen to "innocent until proven guilty" when crossing a
border. By driving up you are pre-authorizing the agents to "unreasonable
search and seizure." They don't have to have a reason. They just need
to feel there is a chance you have something.
I think her ignorance should over rule any laws of other countries. I too have
been across that border and I am betting that an illegal u turn would have
proven to have been a lesser cost.I had a friend who vacationed in
Canada every year and got caught coming across the Coutts border by USA guards.
They spent 7 hours going through his personal things, taking him in a room and
interogating he and his wife seperately, then repeating the process. At the end
of the day they found nothing, left his belongings in a pile on the pavement and
ignored pleas of respect and common decency.Both sides of the border
employ people who are trying to enforce laws they know nothing about. They pay
those people $14 an hour and expect them to fill quotas of so many busts and so
many tickets and so many seizures.It should not surprise anyone but
it happens going both ways across that border.
So, the border agents were doing their job. What is the big deal?It
is your responsibility when you get in a car to know where you are going -
especially when you are that close to an international border.She
and her friend knew there was a gun in the car. It was their responsibility to
mention it when asked about it.Yes, this was a very expensive lesson
to learn - but it was her actions that led to the outcome.
So how is an unloaded 9mm handgun supposed to protect you? Do you club your
attacker with it? Do you throw it as a distraction and run away? Do you offer
it as a bribe? Just wondering....
@ GiuseppeG: I was wondering the same thing. I was also wondering if it would
place them in more danger - no one they point it at is going to know it is
unloaded and may take it as a threat and act accordingly.
No real surprise here. My family and I went to Niagra falls last summer, and we
crossed the boarder on foot to view the falls from the Canadian side. We found
the Canadian border gaurds to be extrordinarily rude and disagreeable. Maybe it
is a badge of courage among their ranks to see how much trouble they can cause
for their law-abiding neighbors to the south.
Our family has never had a problem crossing into Canada. We are always prepared
with the necessary documents.
Don't go into foreign countries without knowing the law. Canada will nail
you for infractions, and handguns are one of the prime things they're
looking for. I was there last week. And don't cop an attitude with them.
These guards are not rude, they're just very formal and direct. Same goes
when returning to the US. I have relatives who work for RCMP and customs in
Canada, it's serious, serious business.
A comment on the headline: The use of the word "teen" implies juvenile,
technically the lady was of teen age years but an adult. Teen implies not
mature, someone not of age of maturity and able to be responsible. After
reading the story and getting the idea that since the lady was ignorant, not
observant of her surroundings, unaware of the border between sovereign nations,
and the possibility of different laws and customs she thought she should have
been excused or let go because she was American, I conclude the headline was
correct. I conclude she was more or less typical of a modern
American high school attendee, totally clueless about the world and with a sense
of entitlement or being special so the laws, regardless of the attitude of the
Canadian officials did not apply to her.Heavens, some states have
laws regarding transporting firearms and any police officer would want to know
why the weapon was in the car and what they were going to do with it.Unfortunately, the Second Amendment doesn't require competent carbon
based life forms to own a firearm.
"The sign said 'Freeway entrance' and then 'Border,' so
we said, ‘We'll just get off before the border,'" McEwan
said.I was curious and looked it up on google maps/street view and
the signs are "Highway Entrance" and "5 North Border
Crossing". Yeah, they should have been paying more attention, but the
entrance is off of a traffic circle and they might not have had a good look at
the sign. And, as there is no way they could turn around once they went up the
onramp, you would think that a sign saying "Entering Canada" would have
been more appropriate. They certainly can't be the first people to make
@ From Ted's Head: Wait, you are in Utah and you managed to look at a map
and see what the roads were? Imagine how much trouble could have been avoided
if these girls had done that!
A mall in Blaine? You've got to be kidding. The border guys should be
commended for doing their job. Americans who think they can do anything they
want, wherever they are - well, that's the problem. Telling the agent they
"promise" they don't have anything illegal, and then to find out
they were lying about the gun - that's so 13 years old. It's always
worked at home, but it's sure different out there in the real world.
GiuseppeG is right. How is putting an unloaded handgun in the trunk of a car
driven by someone who doesn't know how to use it and has no ammunition
supposed to provide any sort of "protection"? Were they planning
on going someplace that is in the midst of a civil war or visiting hotbeds of
crime and gang activity? It was an incredibly stupid decision, and they got off
easy under the circumstances.
@GiuseppeG"So how is an unloaded 9mm handgun supposed to protect
you?"I assume by bluffing. Though really, an armed robbery
victim is statistically more likely to be shot if they (the victim of the
robbery) have a gun.
Once again the leftists are all over this one with comments regarding how evil
guns are and how wonderful the Canooks are for outlawing them and keeping them
out of the hands of the average person. Amazing.
@ JayTee: I think I missed the comments talking about the evil of guns and how
wonderful Canada is for outlawing them.Perhaps you could identify
those comments?The only gun comments I have seen on here are ones
questioning the value of having a gun that is not loaded.