Published: Thursday, July 25 2013 3:40 p.m. MDT
A problem I've had with Obamacare all along is since when is it really the
federal government's responsibility or business to decide what benefits an
employer provides for his employees? If an employer decides to increase pay and
let the employees decide what to do with the extra money (including buying
health insurance), shouldn't that be between the employer and the
employees? Where does it stop? Will the government someday mandate that all
employees must be involved in a retirement program in addition to SS? That all
employers provide a lunch for their employees? Provide transportation subsidies?
Extra housing or rental benefits? Extra restrooms for transvestites? There might
be some good come from these "benefits" but should they be government
If you have to ask then you must live under a rock! Of course he's a JOB
KILLER!! And Obama intended it to be a job killer...to force people into part
time work and to be forever dependent on the Govt. For every job Obama has
created HE CREATES two new welfare applicants....the guy is a disaster!
Is Obamacare a job killer?Why are you asking the question when we
already know the answer?The medical device and pharmaceutical
industries have already lost over 180,000 jobs due to the various excise taxes
that went into effect in January of 2013...those taxes are part of Obamacare.
So yes, Obamacare is already a job killer.
Was Romneycare a job killer for Massachusetts?
One thing I have seen in a huge reduction of hours for those already employed
part time, so while NEW jobs may mostly be full time, I know of a lot of people
who still have a part time job, but they only get to work half of the hours as
they did before. Note on Romneycare: Massachusetts has a very small "low
income labor force." The people seeing the big cuts are low and minimum wage
jobs. Of which MA does not have as large of a percentage as say Utah or Arizona.
It's possible that there will be some job losses in some areas and some job
gains in others. The net jobs gain or loss is what matters.One
thing I know for certain is that the GOP and conservatives are somewhat afraid
that Obamacare will be a failure. But they are extremely afraid that Obamacare
will be a success. For conservatives, the only thing worse than Obamacare being
a job-killer would be Obamacare actually working in terms of controlling health
care costs while having no net negative effect on jobs. The thought of that
happening is very scary to Obama opponents. For them, success under Obama is
not an option.
>they are extremely afraid that Obamacare will be a successOnly
if they're as clueless as the Democrats and other leftists who support
Obamacare. Nobody who actually understands economics believes that
Obamacare will be a success.
@Bastiatarian. The Affordable Care Act is not the panacea for the health care
issues that plague this country. It is merely a step towards nationalizing
health care, which will be a large economic boom to this country which will
decrease overall health care costs and increase labor mobility, just to name a
@mdugallNationalizing healthcare would be severely detrimental to
both healthcare and the economy (as Obamacare already has been). Government
involvement has typically been at the root of problems with healthcare in the
United States (and elsewhere, for that matter).And, personally, I
prefer liberty to Big Mother taking care of me.Again, NOBODY who
understands even the basics of economics believes that Obamacare will be
anything other than a nightmare.
@ Bastiatarian:Maybe that's the point, maybe Obamacare is
supposed to be a nightmare. Then, once it's been around for a little while
and everyone is sick of it (no pun intended), we'll be willing to accept
ANY other system in its place, which would likely wind up being Nationalized
Health Care. Sort of the bitter pill to make us more tractable.I
hope I'm giving them way too much credit for forward thinking, but it would
be devious if it were true.
If someone got injured in a car accident, and Obama says you're not
hurt.There are some who would believe him. Amazing!
Partisan nonsense aside, the economics of ACA is that it is a tax on the healthy
to pay for the sick. There are fundamental differences between
taxing the rich to help the poor and taxing the healthy to pay for the sick.
Healthy people are not necessary rich. Lots are middle class and many are poor
in terms of disposable income. Another big difference is sick people are not
always poor, some are very wealthy. So ACA, in many instances is taxing the
middle class to pay for sick people who don't need the money. The economics of taxing the rich to help the poor seems viable, although I
like the non-profit charity model better than a tax,; however, the economics of
taxing the healthy to help the sick violates common sense because the categories
of healthy and sick are not economic categories from the outset."Sick people who can't afford treatment" would be an economic
category, which is why we have Medicaid, a program funded by taxes.Do we need health care reform? Yes. ACA should be ripped apart and rebuilt
with common sense.
Only to those un-american companies who use the welfare system and food stamps
to subsidize their corporate profits while socializing the cost to do business.
Only to the me first, gimmie gimmie, generation of conservatives who
believe that we don't live in a society, but some kind of organized anarchy
of mythical individual freedoms.Only to those who's taxes
haven't gone up, but have "had it up to here" with these high
taxes.Only to those who believe that healthcare should be as
profitable as possible regardless of actual results.
To "Happy Valley Heretic" it isn't the corporations that use social
welfare programs to socialize the cost of business.It is the
unskilled worker that has no desire to gain skills that is abusing the welfare
system.It is the lazy that demand more money without bringing more
skill or value to the job. They are more concerned about the latest
"thing" than they are about improving their life. They are the
"gimmie gimmie" generation of liberals that belive that they don't
have to put in effort and somebody will take care of them.They are
the same people who want to "stick it to the rich" then can't
figure out why the rich don't want to create jobs to hire them.They are those that belive that healthcare is a right, and will soon believe
that shelter, power, clothing, and food are rights also, and will gladly trade
freedome for a sense of security.
Such hatred for the working class is the very reason the GOP are dying off.So these precious corporations need the work performed by these unskilled lazy
workers but can't afford to pay them and give million dollar bonuses to
super skilled CEO's, so they employ them part time and help them fill out
forms for food stamps. Yep, heros those givers of jobs and life.
1.5 Billion dollars a year to Egypt1 Billion every 2 months in Iraq. Need
I go on.So in essence, we prefer to help other people, but won't help
our own people. What's wrong with this picture? What
about the verse in the bible, that talks about picking something out of your own
eye before others? Does that equates to helping your own first? Just saying.
The lead in headline reads, "When all is said and done, Is Obamacare really
a 'job killer'?".My answer is, "Not as much as
when ALL is truly said and done".We're still at the smoke
and mirrors stage and I've already personally seen the effects of employers
reducing both hours and employees for the sole purpose of trying to prepare
their businesses to function outside of Obamacare....if possible.But, frankly, the job killing effects are not my biggest problem with this
idiotic monstrosity. The **real** destructive force of Obamacare is in its
corrosive effect on the civil rights and freedoms of individual citizens.I yearn for the day when enough people have felt the jack boots of this
freedom killer on their necks long enough to force its eradication.I'd love for it to happen soon and relatively painlessly, but, like all
big government blunders, I fear this too will have a much longer and more
insidiously harmful life than it should. And, we have only ourselves to blame.
Health savings accounts, health insurance that can cross state lines, one owner
businesses that can deduct their health insurance costs as a business expense,
Health insurance you can keep if you move to another job or state would all
Job killer? Oh heavens no...Obamacare is a job creator!!! What company
isn't going to want to grow and expand once they are hit with the full
weight of new taxes and regulations??? I mean this is a no brainer. As a small
business - as your expenses rise so does your head count...right???? The sad
thing here is that those that worship Barack actually believe this nonsense.
"1.5 Billion dollars a year to Egypt1 Billion every 2 months in Iraq.
Need I go on.So in essence, we prefer to help other people, but won't
help our own people."Helping out our own people is EXACTLY the
reason we need to do away with Obamacare. It is a job killer and will prove to
be a nation killer as well.As far as spending money goes, if Bush
was so evil for increasing the national debt as much as he did, what should we
say about Obama? According to liberals, he's a saint. Not only did he spend
more than Bush did (it took about 3 years to match Bush's increase), he got
re-elected despite a sputtering economy! History will not look kindly to our
generation (unless Obama's henchmen maintain control and Big Brother
writes/edits the history books).
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