I was out of town (camping) so this response may, or may not be seen. The news
recently coming from the Power 5 conferences is not a surprise. I think some
commentators (VegasUte, and Indemak) may have misunderstood what I'm
predicting. I wasn't referring to this posturing with the NCAA that is
happening with CONFERENCES right now. Of course Utah will be included in these
convos just as you stated VegasUte. I'm talking further into the future,
the richest elite programs WILL break away, and I don't believe it will be
along conference lines, necessarily. I believe it will be about revenue and
traditional power. IndeMak, this group of 50 or so teams that break away would
include the 6 you mentioned, but there are at least 40 others that would make
more revenue in such a structure than they do now having to share equally with
lower tier teams. I know BYU brings in top 60 revenue, but their no Sunday play
may keep them out because of TV negotiations. Utah isn't a top 60 revenue
earner, so if this ever happened, they would certainly be in trouble (as would
ISU, Minnesota, Vandy, etc).
poyman:Thanks for proving my point! This is a story about Heaps,
and it is being used to correct English and promote peoples feelings, guesses
and thoughts about everything BUT Heaps.greatbam22:Thanks for the example of a nicely thought out, intelligent post relating to
I don't understand all the negativity around Jake Heaps. Sure he
didn't preform well at BYU but it was kind of wacko of the coaches to run a
two QB system as well. Either way I am not too worried about him doing well at
Kansas.I can kind of understand why some people would be worried
about him being successful but I honestly don't care. Maybe he will be
good and maybe he won't. I don't think you can say it is a whole
teams fault if a QB is successful or fails. Just as it is not necessarily a QB
that brings all the success to a team either.There are a lot of
diffent types of QBs and not all fit into each teams system well.
@VegasUteIf Utah is included then Revenue Generation is not an
important factor... Simple as that, because Utah is the second WORST Revenue
Generator in the entire list of AQ schools with the exception of Ole Miss...
This just has to be one of the silliest line of postings I have ever heard.
Champ v chomp, towing v toeing, Heaps v Hypes. And this talk of who will or
will not be part of the big 5! Silly!Utah will most definitely be
included in the big 5 because they are already in the big 5. As far as who is
added, besides ND, byU would have to be included in at least the discussion of
who will be included. To think they will automatically be locked out is just as
absurd as "thinking" or "believing" that Utah will be kept
out.Good luck to Heaps. That is what this article was about,
wasn't it? Whether he does well at Kansas or not, whether people view his
success/failure as a positive/negative to the byU program, there will always be
a place for him in my heart - I got to watch "54-10" with all my
"cougar" brothers and nephews, and it was glorious!!
Garsh, I have learnt me a lot about grammar whilst perusing these posts, but I
still have no idea how good Jake Heaps will be. I can't say I care, either.
He's gone. He deserves success or failure no more than anyone else.
He's someone else's asset/problem now.
@ IndeMac...Sorry, I don't believe that Utah is in the top 60
in Revenue Earnings... In fact, I don't think that they are even in the top
70... That defies logic... The taxpayers have to bail out their programs every
year and I don't think that happens for the top 60...Just did a
quick search online at Operation Sports and the 5 Power Conferences and the 65
AQ eligible schools were listed and compared according to Revenue generation...
The PAC12 is listed 4th (behind the Big12 with 10 teams and ahead of the ACC who
generates most of their revenue through Basketball)... Utah is listed 64th out
of the 65 teams (only Ole Miss is lower)... Iowa State generates nearly $10M
more a year than Utah and brings in more than 3 PAC12 teams.BYU and
other Indy's are not listed and compared, nor are any of the other non-AQ
Conferences (i.e.Amwerican, MWC, MAC, CUSA, Sunbelt, etc.)and I am sure that a
hand full of those do metter in Revs than the bottom handful of producers in the
Power Conferences. BYU is also a private institution and their Sports Revinue is
not public info.
Jake throws the deep ball well but he has struggled with precision passing.
He's a disaster throwing an out route. I'm not sure anything has
changed. It's hard to tell how good he will be. KU's defense was and
looks to still be horrible so after watching the highlight film I still no have
clue what this means. Still, he's probably the best they got and maybe
with Weiss, he'll drive him to be better and give him better overall
coaching at that position than BYU would have provided--I mean Weiss coached
well at the highest level. But Kansas is Kansas and that alone could doom
Heaps. I suspect KU will actually move the ball better than last year but
winning more than four games will be a stretch.
Did they just have their spring game this week. How is this news?
And Robert Anae couldn't make him an all american, he was his coach when
that famous block from the outside happened, Anae didn't trust Heaps to
move the team and that year Anae was fired.
I saw Heaps play in the 2010 New Mexico Bowl, when BYU thrashed UTEP 52-24.
Granted, the opposition wasn't exactly SEC-caliber, but the BYU offense
played great in that game. One couldn't help but have high expectations
for Heaps going into that fall; I'm sure the comedown had a lot of causes,
but the play-calling wasn't particularly inspired. It will be interesting
this fall to see (a) if Heaps does better with a different OC, and (b) if BYU
does better with a different OC.
I am VERY excited to have Taysom Hill as our QB but I think we could have done a
better job with Jake Heaps. That was a mess.Any Heaps haters out
there really think he would have been worse than year's QB, a QB with a ton
of heart but not the passing skills, or the health, to match?I wish
Heaps the best of luck and truly hope he has 2 great yrs at Kansas and gets into
the NFL.Go COUGARS!
I also think it will happen because Texas and USC will grow tired of sharing the
wealth with the likes of Iowa St and Utah. This "new independent" league
will include the money-makers, not the bottom feeders, so Utah will not be
included either. BYU will be excluded because of Sunday play, etc. When the TV
deals near completion, watch out.I'm glad you started with
"I also think". Reading the media days does show it
including the likes of Utah and Iowa state as both are in the top 60-70 schools
for generating revenue. In ESPN, it states it was meant to lock out the Utah
States and Central Michigans' of the world. The articles all include the 5
conferences only plus Notre Dame. The reason is because they bring in money,
including Utah.There are only six giant schools that always bring in
huge ratings. Michigan, USC, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas and Penn State. These
six schools have huge cities located nearby and/or a following due to religious
affiliations. Alabama doesn't get large national television audiences when
they play within the SEC. It's all regional. Are these six only going to
play each other?
IndeMak:"If you read about any of the media days in the top 5
conferences, it appears that the top five conferences plus Notre Dame to put
together their own NCAA league and break away from the traditional NCAA
league".They've actually been toying with this idea for a
few years. Texas discussed it Wth ND during all the 2010 realignment, and then
again with teams like FSU and Goergia Tech during 2011 & 2012 seasons where
everyone was worried about realignment. I honestly think this will happen at
some point but not necessarily along conference lines. The whole reason many
programs have brought it up is so that bigger schools can do their own thing
like pay their players, etc, and make their own money without dealing with the
NCAA's selective rules and punishment. I also think it will happen because
Texas and USC will grow tired of sharing the wealth with the likes of Iowa St
and Utah. This "new independent" league will include the money-makers,
not the bottom feeders, so Utah will not be included either. BYU will be
excluded because of Sunday play, etc. When the TV deals near completion, watch
It is time that BYU gets into a conference. If you read about any of the media
days in the top 5 conferences, it appears that the top five conferences plus
Notre Dame to put together their own NCAA league and break away from the
traditional NCAA league. SEC and Big 12 both mentioned it. Apparently their was
a meeting with the top 5 leagues to make sure these 60-70 teams only played each
other and didn't have to share revenue with most Independents and leagues
like the MWC. Forget Jake Heaps. He will be the starter on the last place
Did someone really say they admire Heaps' precision and accuracy?
---that's only true if you count throwing to defenders. He can hit immobile
objects very accurately. It is too bad for him they allow players to run
around.Jake may do good. He definitely has better position coaches
who can hopefully get rid of all the errors jake is so prone to make. And I
would bet his coach doesn't think a 2 QB system will work even though no
other coach has been able to make it a successful strategy.Poor kid.
Thought he would change BYU. Instead, it started to change him, so he left.
Jake Heaps was a quarterback for BYU?
he's still Jake Hypes
I always thought Heaps had the arm but not the intangibles. Riley Nelson had the
heart and some of the intangibles but not the talent to be a successful QB.
I wish him the best. He deserves it after the fair weather fans blamed him for
the Cougars loss to the U and a mediocre season. Last season was confirmation
that BYU did not have their offensive house in order. Hopefully a line full of
returning starters that blocked for a backfield that averaged 221 yards per game
can pass protect as well. They certainly can't be worse that the 5 lame
horses he had blocking for him in 2011.I wish him good luck.
@the 60th rated team in America in 2013 (aka 54-10-hike)I have
always been critical of Heaps, for wanting to do his playing with his mouth
instead of his actions on the field... You can go back and check my comments
during the time that he was our QB... I had hoped he had learned to temper that,
but based on this article it doesn't appear that he has... It's one thing to say stuff when you have a history of stellar
performances, it is quite another when your performance has been lacking and
you still talk about how good you and your team are... Kansas rated
to finish last in their conference and he is talking "best backfield in the
nation" and an "offense that will be tough to stop"... Sound
familiar???Seems Utie fans always talk how tough their team is, yet
they are still picked to finish at or near the bottom of their conference this
year...Again... You would think a lesson would have been learned... I am rooting
for y'all though... I'm hoping that this is the year you finally beat
a conference team with a winning record.
I actually gained respect for Heaps when in a press conference at Kansas this
past year, he said how much he actually missed being on the BYU campus and the
wholesome atmosphere he enjoyed there. I always personally thought he was too
cocky with other BYU players and didn't have the leadership qualities he
needed to succeed. When you don't have that chemistry with team mates,
things go south in a hurry on the field. There was never a doubt that he had a
great throwing arm.All in all, I wish him luck this year. All the
BCS crappola doesn't mean a thing to me if you can't even make it to a
bowl game!Go Cougars!
I lost confidence in Jake as QB at BYU. Watching him play was painful.
Numerous interceptions, jumping over the ball in the end zone at the U of U game
(simply embarrassing), walking off the field after throwing an interception in
Texas as the interceptor runs by for a tremendous return...all of this caused me
to lose confidence. He could have been benched immediately after some of these
mistakes. BYU coaches were extremely patient with him. The fact
that he was finally benched is why he left for Kansas. BYU didn't kick him
out of the program. He left because he saw the writing on the wall. Fans had
lost confidence. Coaches and teammates had also lost confidence. He had lost
his position and didn't want to stick around to try and win it back. Best wishes to him. I honestly hope he does great. I don't think
his future success should cause any self-doubt among BYU coaches or fans. He
simply lost his confidence here.
@poymanWhile his coach is telling the media not to expect too much this
year, Heaps is telling them that Kansas has one of the best backfields in the
country and that their Offense is going to be hard to stop...----------That's because deep down he's still a Cougar!
There are things in this article that make me hopeful he learned a few things
from his experiences such as actually working in the off season. I wish him
well and hope things go his way at KU. It was never about his physical skills
or talent. The problems were more mental and attitude. I'm not even sure
there weren't some academic issues as well. It's hard to say if Anae
could have done more with him-- maybe, maybe not. We'll all see soon
enough how things work out with Jake. The film had some bright spots for him
but he was wearing the red jersey. He always showed his best work when there
was no threat of actually taking a hit. Good luck, Heaps!
Truthfully the amount of success Heaps has at Kansas doesn't have much to
do with the BYU program. The kid had to sit out two years and will have to earn
his playing time. If he succeeds it may be because of better coaching or simply
because he finally grew up.I hope he does well but more often than
not, the transfer QB's don't have much impact. Maybe he will be an
exception and a whole new round of posts will grace these pages.
stgtoslc aka english teacher commenting on a sports article:The
idiom is usually written chomping at the bit, and some people consider this
spelling wrong. But chomp can also mean to bite or chew noisily (though chomped
things are often eaten, while champed things are not), so chomp at the bit means
roughly the same as champ at the bit.
@StGtoSLC - I stand corrected to my assertion that "champing" is not a
word. However, chomping is not only more popularly used, but is in fact a
correct, accurate, and grammatically acceptable alternative to champing.
It's not like any of the comparative examples you used, because the
confused idioms you cited are all simply grammatically incorrect, like my
personal favorite, "all the sudden." Take luck to Heaps,
;). If he succeeds at Kansas, it's totally because he worked out the
mental kinks he was unable to overcome at BYU, and not because of the coaching.
Personally, I think the frightened mentality is deep, and I'll be surprised
if he overcomes it, but I hope he does.
Good Luck Jake!!! I will cheer for your success where ever you go.. as long as
it isn't to U of U. hahaha
I wish Jake all the best, and wish he would have stuck around at BYU. He had
great mechanics and arm strength. He lacked accuracy, heart and leadership
during his two seasons at BYU. Hopefully he's developed both of those.I hope cb learns that it's not the quality of conference U are in
but the quality of team U are on.
DSB, "champing at the bit" is an old idiomatic expression, commonly
replaced with "chomp," similar to other confused idioms such as
"towing the line," ("toeing" is correct), "wetting"
one's appetite (whetting), "pouring" something over (poring),
"peaked" interest (piqued), and many more.
LVIS, and "death-nail" is also used about 20 times more commonly than
the correct idiom "death knell." But likewise, thank you for the grammar
lesson. *rolls eyes in return*Regarding the article, I'm not
seeing the predictions some of you seem to have found from the article. He
expressed his excitement to play under a good coach and with some very athletic
players. Would you rather have him discuss how much he was dreading being on
possibly the worst team in the conference and should probably just cash it in
since the guy before him had similar potential and couldn't get the job
done?I have a friend who worked at KU when Jake went into their
program, and was very pleased with how nice of a guy he was compared to many
college football players, and was impressed with his work ethic. I heard similar
things from acquaintances I have in BYU's program. The only
"entitlement" issues I've heard of seem to be from people who just
weren't happy with his play.Best of luck to him at KU this
According to several friends that played with Jake at BYU, Jake was lazy. He
didn't put the time in the offseason or the weight room. I think that he
finally realized that if he wanted respect he would have to earn it. It appears
that he has learned that lesson and should be successful at Kansas.
I hope Heaps can hit the receiver this year, unlike the game I paid big bucks to
see in person when they should have defeated Texas and he couldn't throw
the ball to an open Apo.
Being in a BCS conference means nothing. I hear that the PAC 12 even has a team
that went 5-7 and did not go to a bowl game last year.I fully expect
Jake to greatly elevate the level of pay for KU. I would love to see them light
up the score board and win a lot of games.
I know North Dakota may be a perennial Division II powerhouse, but I suspect
they'll get manhandled by Kansas. Then, I predict the Heaps supporters will
come out en masse to berate the BYU coaching staff for failing Heaps, because
they apparently coached him to have debilitating terror of incoming defenders,
as well as to throw uncatchable 5-yard bullets, mid-range passes into the
ground, and overthrow every long bomb.Then Kansas will start playing
real BCS teams... Seriously though, I hope Heaps has overcome the mental
weaknesses that he, and he alone, failed overcome despite unprecedented
opportunity given to him by the BYU coaching staff. Anyone paying attention
could see the man-crush was on Heaps until Bronco was probably at risk of losing
his job for not replacing the prolonged unproductive Heaps.By the
way, StGtoSLC, CHAMP is short for CHAMPION, and can't really be turned into
a verb by adding "ing" to it. Bits are the pieces inserted into
horses' mouths, which they CHOMP on before they get moving, hence the
correctly-used term "chomping at the bit." There is no such word as
I wish Mr. Heaps well. I wonder if he's been able to shake the
fear he had standing in the pocket? If so, he could be pretty good. Kansas
football is a fun activity before basketball season.
At the end of the day, if Jake performs well on the field and responds
positively to a different coaching staff, it will reflect poorly on BYU.
Lot's of comments from of BYU fans saying how he'll flop and perform
poorly. Hogwash. You don't know. Only time will tell and whether they
admit it or not, BYU fans are hopeful he doesn't go out and make the BYU
football program look flawed in having mismanaged a talented quarterback. After
all, isn't BYU a 'quarterback factory?' Not. Max is enjoying
playing north of the border, Beck is a groveling free agent, and Riley has hit
the big time at Logan High School. BYU hasn't produced an NFL caliber QB
in years and isn't really known for much of anything except that their
players are all return missionaries. The trend with the 'other' Utah
schools is that they, without question, are out recruiting BYU. Parity is more
commonplace among the three schools and BYU's coaching misfortunes are one
major reason for that. Jake's story is a perfect example of what bad
coaching has done for BYU.
I hope this kid really excels at Kansas. He's a fine quarterback who
deserves great success. He doubtless is very glad to be away from a mediocre 6-6
(at best) 2013 BYU team.
StGtoSLCSALT LAKE CITY, UT"The expression is "CHAMPING at
the bit," not chomping."Actually, chomp, which began as a
variant of champ, is alive in English while the biting-related sense of champ is
dead outside this idiom. In point of fact, chomping at the bit is about 20
times as common as champing at the bit in written language. Champing at the bit
can sound funny to people who aren’t familiar with the idiom or the
obsolete sense of champ, while most English speakers can infer the meaning of
chomping at the bit. Still, thank you for the grammar lesson. *rolls
"The expression is "CHAMPING at the bit," not chomping."Champ is not used outside of this idiom and thus archaic. How many
people know it means to bite down? Chomp on the other hand is used outside of
the idiom and far more people know it means to bite down. Either is acceptable
by most grammar guides.'Fellow BCS member University of Utah
Utes'Ironic that in the last year of the BCS, posers (oops, I
think I meant posters) still need to remind people the Utes belong to a BCS
conference otherwise readers from BIG12 (Kansas) wouldn't know.
The only worse decision than going to Kansas would have been going to Utah, both
cellar dwellars. Big 12 is far superior to PAC from top to bottom, especially
since Utah entered the conference.BYU is better off without him. After he
gets hit a few times he will get rattled and do the same stuff he did at BYU.
It is hard to argue with Jake's decision. He left a BYU offense that was
heading down the tubes. Every coach he played for, except one, is now gone. He
may indeed have seen the handwriting on the wall and decided to salvage what was
left of his college eligibility. He wasn't much of a QB at BYU. But that
may not have been his fault.
Somewhere there is a drive-thru line that gets backed up every time a new BYU
article appears on Deseret News.
poymanLincoln City, ORWhen Jake was becoming a Cougar, Cougar
"fan" loved the Iggy's press conference. Now he's a Jayhawk
they call it "promotional advertising work." Typical.
Heaps is a good QB and as it turns out now - in a much better situation at
Kansas in the Big12 and a BCS conference. BYU is the loser from all this. Robert
Anae would have made Jake an all American.
As a BYU fan I hope Jake has a great year. Wish it could have been better at
BYU, but just never seemed to get on track. Good luck Jake!
Chrissy, what bowl game again did your BCS utes play in last year?
This is one BYU fan who hopes Jake does well. I remember the first time I saw
him throw a pass in a game and my jaw hit the floor; his delivery, precision and
velocity are amazing. Was/is he a coddled, prima-donna? Of course he is!
That's what you generally get with the #1 QB prospect and one of the most
hyped high school players in the country. For whatever reason, the coaches at
BYU didn't understand that and/or could not manage that. I'm sure his
attitude what not much different than Jim McMahon, or even Ty Detmer (we just
didn't hear as much about them because of the differences in media
How can you get better than the trip/flip over the fumbled football in the
inzone?the guy was a joke going against Mountain west
"talent"....imagine the "deer in head lights" when he actually
faces legit BCS talent on a weekly basis.
@Chris B so you're saying its better to in AQ confrence at the bottom of
the barrel like how Utah will be this next decade with the pac 12 is that what
you're saying just like how Kansas is the at the bottom of Big 12? Thats
how I smell it.
I wish Jake great success. Not sure what, if any good he would have done with
BYU's sputtering offense last year that had much to do with playing a QB
with a broken back!
Hard to believe it's been two years since Jake Heaps was here. I hope in
that time he hasn't forgotten how to act entitled, run away from fumbles,
The expression is "CHAMPING at the bit," not chomping.
He has poor decision making skills so I would not expect much from Kansas.
Some things never change... You can rotate the player into different colleges
and their football teams, but you still have the same player with the same
character traits... If Heaps doesn't go into Promotional Advertising Work
he's missing his calling... I had thought that he had learned to let his
"play" do the talking and not his "mouth", but apparently not...
We'll see soon enough if his words can match his footwork and
his passing...I always liked Heaps when he was at BYU... I thought
that he would be good to outstanding his Junior and Senior years with a
"redshirt year" between his Sophomore and Junior Seasons... So I
personally hope that he proves me right...I just wish that he would
learn how to manage expectations better... While his coach is telling the media
not to expect too much this year, Heaps is telling them that Kansas has one of
the best backfields in the country and that their Offense is going to be hard to
stop... He just gave every locker room an article to hang on the bulletin board
before their scheduled game with the Kansas Jayhawks... Big Mistake (with a
The Big 12 is a prestigious conference indeed.Best wishes Jake.Sincerely,Fellow BCS member University of Utah Utes
Apparently Heaps decided a floundering Kansas program was a better place to end
his career and a better chance at preparing him for the NFL than his previous
university.Can't say I blame him.
I still feel Jake was mismanaged here at BYU. He seems to be a coddled, arrogant
player in some respects (press conference out of high school) but I think he has
a great arm and great potential. Bronco had that mancrush on Riley. I hope
things pan out for Jake.