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Published: Monday, July 22 2013 6:00 a.m. MDT

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Mukkake
Salt Lake City, UT

Internet filters don't work. This is what you get when politicians know nothing about how technology, computers, or the internet works.

SoCalTrueBlue2
San Diego, CA

It is wonderful that the Prime Minister of England recognizes that pornography is destroying the innocence of England's children and is tryig to do something about it. Somehow I can't see the leader of our nation being equally concerned, which is a sad thing.

BYU Track Star
Los Angeles, CA

Hormonally Challenged Tech Savy Teens will always defeat Internet filters. Our future is safe and secure until they turn on their Baby Boomer grandparents and re-route their direct deposit Social Security checks to their own accounts.

zabivka
Orem, UT

Seems like reasonable measures. Those who love pornographic material can still access it, if they opt in, but kids won't be roped in.

PLM
Kaysville, UT

Britain again demonstrates to the world why they are the kings of class. And smart. Less porn should equate to more stable families and a safer nation. Way to go! And congratulations on your new Royal Baby!

10CC
Bountiful, UT

Point of interest: the UK doesn't even have a constitution, so it's curious to see American conservatives assert moral superiority from the British. From the Constitutionalist perspective, this should not be possible.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

I saw a good and proper conservative, Kevin O'Leary, on the TV tonight. He was adamant that he didn't want the government telling him what he can or can't do. And all that nannying about children....'parenting is MY job' he pointed out. Conservatism I can get behind. Plus his books on money management are great.

JSB
Sugar City, ID

The British approach might or might not work. The fact that these measures are being considered says something sad about our world-wide society and is further evidence that we are in the "last days."

KanataHal
Ottawa, 00

Hutterite: You obviously haven't seen Kevin O'Leary on the CBC's Dragon's Den, nor on the Lang O'Leary Exchange. Good and proper he is not. He doesn't care about anything but the bottom line.

FrankSegesman
,

Satan's plan was to remove free agency. How about trying parenting instead?

Red
Salt Lake City, UT

Porn should be restricted worldwide. It is a plague that is destroying everything in it's path.

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

@Frank,

We still have our free agency...to elect officials who will represent our views and do something to curtail pornography, since the greedy minority of sleaze vendors are constantly trying to find ways to corrupt and victimize our children.

Or is it that YOU want your free agency to view this stuff??

Lightbearer
Brigham City, UT

From "Moral Free Agency" by Daniel H. Ludlow:

"[Lucifer] can also do it by destroying our freedom of choice, and he does this by enticing us to give up our right of free agency to other persons or to other institutions and allow them to make our choices for us, resulting in the evil that presidents of the Church have repeatedly warned against in communism and socialism and other orders of this type."

"... Lucifer can and does work through many means: business combines, governments on all levels ... Wherever and whenever you find a person or an institution that seeks to destroy the free agency of man, there you will find the influence of Lucifer."

[President Henry D. Moyle:] "'All we have to do is ... examine any movement that may be brought into our midst ... and if it ... attempt[s] to deprive us in the slightest respect of our free agency, we should avoid it as we would avoid immorality or anything else that is vicious.'"

[President Marion G. Romney:] "'God endowed men with free agency ... The preservation of this free agency is more important than the preservation of life itself.'"

Iron Rod
Salt Lake City, UT

East Coast Cug

How much profit did Mariott Corp make from R and X rated movies in their hotels last year?

Larceny
Rural Hall, USA, NC

This is incredible, and what we can only hope is the first in many such actions taken by world leaders to protect Children and other innocents from something terrible they can't control.

Who cares if people can get around it? Who cares if it only works even 1/2 of the time? It's about taking a stand and saying "NO, this is NOT ok." It's about letting pornographers that there are still people who are willing to stand up and say "we will not stand for this, and we are going to do something about it."

That is a brave and bold PM.

Allen
Salt Lake valley, UT

I thought I'd make a plug for OpenDNS in our homes. Everyone uses DNS as they access websites, and OpenDNS is free and does a relatively good job of filtering.

Combating porn is an endless war, and parents need to do as much as they can. Having web providers use opting in instead of opting out is a good step. Of course it doesn't solve the problem. Using a DNS server that filters porn is another good step for those who don't want porn. Teaching our children to treat the web as they would a city and stay away from streets frequented by prostitutes is another step. I'm not in favor of having government dictate whether we can access porn or not, but I am in favor of web providers exercising their businesses such that users have to opt in instead of opt out.

Uncle Vic
El Dorado Hills, CA

Mukkake said:
"Internet filters don't work..."

and Uncle Vic replies:

You're right, they don't work - all the time. But they do work a good deal of the time. We will never get a perfect computer solution, but if they reduce a large fraction of the volume, that does a lot of good.

I don't know about you, but my SPAM volume has gone down dramatically over the last few years, at least partially because programmers have gotten better at tuning their criteria. Porn filters likely will work the same way, and get more accurate with time.

FrankSegesman said:
"Satan's plan was to remove free agency. How about trying parenting instead?"

and Uncle Vic replies:

I look at this kind of like the fences that surround freeways. They're pretty good at keeping kids out of danger. One might argue that it's the parents' responsibility to keep kids off the freeway too, but personally I think the fences help me do my job as a parent.

Miss Piggie
Pheonix, AZ

@Allen:
"Combating porn is an endless war..."

Let's try to get to the 'bottom' of the issue. Porn is mostly about females taking their duds off in front of a camera. The problem is mostly about the viewee's conduct, not the viewer... women's insatiable desire to be admired. But no, we can't pounce on her. So we castigate the guys.

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

Lightbearer:

I am an active member of the LDS faith, and have struggled with porn addiction for over 30 years. I have been in recovery for five years. This is absolutely not an issue of restricting free agency. It is an issue of blocking Satan's attack on the family. I for one hope that one day governments can and will block porn from being available.

Porn is just as addictive as other drugs. Should we allow heroin and crack to be legal because we don't want to infringe on "free agency"? Sorry, but I have never heard of any general authority taking that position....

gth-au
Australia, 00

Hopefully they obtain engineering advice before taking this approach beyond coffee table conversation. Those involved should educate themselves:

1. Comprehend the sheer volume of all content available via the Internet today;
2. Comprehend the volume of *new* content published on the Internet each minute;
3. No classification system is capable of dealing with either of the above;
4. Any technical approach attempting to limit access to a short-sighted list of "some websites" will negatively affect performance to ALL Internet services (and not just web browsing);
5. Oversight of the management of block-lists (if this is what is proposed) is a slippery slope of illegal vs. immoral content, also risking the blocking of other sites for purely political purposes;
6. In Australia, this also led to proposed expansion to block legal businesses (e.g. poker sites);
7. Innocent businesses will be blocked, with no notification, no recourse for removal, and no pathway to compensation for lost revenue and/or lost reputation;
8. Remember: kids will bypass any method implemented; in Australia a kid bypassed it in 30 seconds.

Google "nocleanfeed" to read how Australian politicians learned more. The solution will *always* be parental responsibility for children using the Internet.

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