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Utah State football: Aggies cautiously optimistic after being picked to finish 2nd in MWC's Mountain Division

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  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    July 24, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    An observation: As the competition rises, such the situation we see with both Utah and USU, recruiting becomes the Holy Grail simply because injuries happen, and the 2's have to be virtually equivalent to the 1's.

    Utah learned their lesson last year with the various O line and the QB injuries. Seems like the odds are against a team without the necessary depth so that when a 1 has to sit down, the replacement 2 can jump in and the team can continue with very little loss in productivity.

    USU has a challenging schedule, playing some of the Big Boys this year. Not to be negative, and not to wish harm to anyone, but if there was anything for someone to "mark down" it might be to check how the USU coaching staff will plan for and be able to instantly replace any one (or more) of their several key players.

    We know they're thinking about it. Lets see how they cope with it in real time on Game Day.

  • The A Game Logan, UT
    July 23, 2013 9:28 p.m.

    Thank you BYU fans for continually addressing Chris B and thinking that your inspirational post will change his ways, yet it never does and you never quit trying. FYI this article is neither about you or Chris so give it a rest. And as for everyone's predictions, seriously....let the players decide on gameday. Yeah we know Wells is a new coach. We've known that for awhile now folks. Moving on, we Aggie fans are proud of of USU and glad to be a part of the MWC.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    July 23, 2013 8:50 p.m.

    "Yes USU has an new coach. That doesn't matter..."

    Stop right there. That comment alone lets me know you don't follow football well. The team has their best team ever and it won't make a difference that HC is gone now, and playing in a new and tougher conference? A new HC makes a HUGE difference, especially if it's a first time coach. Over the last 15 years, I can think of about 10 teams in this situation and basically all of them struggled, and they didn't even go to a new conference. To take a recent example, in 2011, Southern Miss had that crazy game vs. Houston and turned heads that season. Their coach went on and a new coach came in and went winless last year.

    It's VERY rare for a first year coach to do well. Hidalgo doesn't win if Frank Hopkins chooses to ride a black stallion instead. Don't get cocky saying Utah will get destroyed at home to open the season vs a team that hasn't won there in ages.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    July 22, 2013 8:16 p.m.

    Striker

    Since your comment talks about education let me teach you something. The school letters are USU not usu. We capitalize the letters because they are proper nouns. They also represent Utah State University which boasts top notch education for engineering, teacher education and agriculture.

    USU is a better football program than Colorado. The point I was making was that neither Utah nor Colorado were invited because of performance on the football field.

    Yes USU has an new coach. That doesn't matter since they have a highly experienced team and aren't changing schemes. USU improved while the Utes lost too much of their talent. The only thing Utah has in their favor for this year is that it is a home game. USU is currently the better team.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    July 22, 2013 6:51 p.m.

    "Utah State has been more successful than Colorado."

    usu has had fewer losing seasons than Colorado so they are more successful? Jarvis, take off your goggles. usu lost their coach who only gave usu one good season, but it was with a very weak schedule. A new coach always struggles. usu hasn't beaten Utah at Utah in ages. Don't be so arrogant to say usu is going to destroy them. Utah, even when bad, plays decent teams well at home. usu will only be average next year. usu never proved under even Anderson they can beat good teams on the road from so called "power conferences." Won't happen under a first time coach.

    Colorado was only invited because of Denver. Utah because of SLC. Both do have pretty good education systems too. Why would the Big Ten invite Maryland? Awful in football, but they have the D.C. market. Same situation with Colorado. Don't sit here and compare usu to Colorado because you're doing it for all the wrong reasons and you sound really uneducated by making up reasons.

  • Stang08 Southern, UT
    July 22, 2013 4:52 p.m.

    @EdGrady

    Keep on dreaming.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    July 22, 2013 4:09 p.m.

    @Christy B: Funny how when you were in the MWC/WAC, all we would hear is that the MWC was comparable to the PAC 10 and would relish any win showing that the U could compete. Now that Utah has been chosen to be part of the PAC-10.2, all of a sudden you forgot your roots. Karma Christy.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    July 22, 2013 3:54 p.m.

    @Chris B

    Let's use your logic to find the flaw in it--

    Colorado was invited to the PAC12 because it is super awesome at football for the last decade!!

    Let's face the facts, invites weren't based on quality programs, rather based on TV markets.

    Utah State has been more successful than Colorado. They have been a bigger story nationally than Utah has been for two years now thanks to Keaton's game at Auburn. Keaton's first year was one where special teams miscues kept them from their potential. Last year they fixed those problems and beat those they were expected to beat such as Utah.

    I expect the Aggies are going to be gunning down the Utes week one. They are angry. They are disciplined. They are the better program, yet some people feel it wise to get them even more focused on the game. That is never a wise proposition Chris, especially when you are trying to represent yourself as a Ute fan. Your team graduated nearly everyone who has scored touchdowns and half your D. USU is a fully-stocked program.

    My prediction
    USU 24 Utah 14

  • papi_chulo Ogden, UT
    July 22, 2013 3:31 p.m.

    @ Chris B

    You can come do my yard work for me while I watch college football. If you do a good enough job, maybe I'll even give you a cookie.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    Crissy B,
    Just to be clear the PAC did not invite BYU because BYU was not interested, BIG DIFFERENCE. The PAC11+u has a different value system then BYU so it would not have worked out for them. I live and work in PAC Country and believe me the name of Utah NEVER comes up when talking about the major sports. Utah is only considered an easy win, that it. Period. Utah is NOT as relevant as you think they are. Just ask anyone who has been in the conference for any length of time. Sorry to burst your crimson bubble.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    July 22, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    Utah State will beat BSU. BSU is overrated right now and ripe for defeat on the road.

  • AggieVoice Logan, UT
    July 22, 2013 2:42 p.m.

    @ Chris B

    "Besides Boise games against power conference teams, I can barely stomach to watch the WAC/MWC teams play anymore. USU had a nice run last year, but face it aggies, you'll never have a top 10 finish, you'll never play in a huge bowl game, you'll never go undefeated, you'll never truly be fighting for a national championship."

    "There is power conference football."

    "And then there is non-power conference football."

    "I can barely stomach the latter after enjoying firsthand the prestige of the former."

    Chris, I hate to tell you that these comments go against everything you should take pride in. Is "being a member" of the Pac-12 the best thing U have ever accomplished? I hope not. The real bragging rights come from when you played non-power conference football. You won 2 BCS bowls and should have won a championship. USU can do the same. The reason you don't like watching anymore is because U don't belong anymore, not because it's not good football.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 22, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    Being chosen to be a PAC whipping boy doesn't make U "worthy" of being anything except available.

    During the last two years.

    Top 25 Rankings
    BYU 1
    USU 1
    Utah none

    Bowl Games
    BYU 2
    USU 2
    Utah 1

    Losses to 10-loss teams
    BYU none in the last 25 years
    USU none in the last 5 years
    Utah two in the last 6 years

    Utah's flash-in-the-pan success is already fading, buried under season after season of increasing mediocrity.

  • Love skiing Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    "Division 4" is coming. USU and BYU need to do whatever It takes to be on the in. I am not making this up. Dennis Dodd did a piece on this on CBS sport. Bob Bowlsby of the Big 12 talked about this on their media day. According to him, they could announce this in 6 months. I am a Utah fan and would love to see BYU and USU involve. They are even discussing only playing teams in the Division 4. This is wrong. It's about Money. It sucks.

  • Sambonethegreat Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    @Chris B

    That's just grasping at straws. I was referring to other mid-major FBS programs like BYU, Tulsa, Fresno State, or SMU. The Utes aren't far removed from their MWC days at all, and while the accomplishments they had in that league were significant, that's in the past.

    The longer the Utes go without doing something meaningful in the Pac-12, the less those accomplishments are going to mean.

    And I'm still waiting for the Utes to defeat a Pac-12 opponent with a winning record. Still hasn't happened in the past two years, man.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2013 1:43 p.m.

    Sambone,

    Perhaps you forgot everything you posted.

    You also said:

    "they're not any better than those non-power conference teams you've been taking stabs at"

    and

    "Just because U got invited to the party, doesn't mean U necessarily belong there"

    Both wrong.

    I'm going to guess that by "team" you mean "program", you can correct me if that's not what you meant. If you truly meant "team" as in the "2013 team" then I guess I could say that Weber State 2013 team is better than Alabama 2013 because we just don't know, so again correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you meant "program"?

    And a program that has 2 undefeated seasons in the past 10 years, 2 BCS bowls in the past 10 years, 2 BCS bowl wins in the past 10 years, 2 top 10 finishes in the past 10 years YES is better than every WAC/MWC other than boise perhaps.

    And yes, we are worthy to be in the Pac 12.

    If we weren't, the Pac 12 wouldn't have invited us.

    Again, they CHOSE Utah OVER byu, OVER usu, OVER boise, OVER SDSU, OVER UNLV,..

  • Sambonethegreat Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2013 1:29 p.m.

    @Chris B

    Perhaps you misread my post. I said the Utes haven't proven anything in the Pac-12.

    Utah's accomplishments in the MWC were significant and I don't take that away from them at all. However, since joining the Pac-12, Utah has done almost nothing (except lose to the Buffs... OUCH).

    So until Utah actually does something meaningful in the league, I think they're a has-been.

    Just because U got invited to the party, doesn't mean U necessarily belong there.

  • AggieVoice Logan, UT
    July 22, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    Holy crap how did another Aggie thread turn into a Pac-12 vs Independence debate? Can we stick to the AGGIES and the MWC on USU threads please?

    Should be a great season for Utah State. They have an opportunity to compete for a conference championship AND go to a BCS game. Do I expect them to? No, hardly any Aggie fans do. We would be thrilled with an 8-9 win season and continue the sustainable growth pattern we have had for the last 2 years.

    love, little brother

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 22, 2013 1:21 p.m.

    @Chris B - "I can barely stomach to watch the WAC/MWC teams play anymore. I'd rather go do yardwork than watch a WAC/MWC game these days."

    So why do comment three times on a MWC team who whipped you last year? There is no more WAC football (try to keep up). PAC didn't do too well against the MWC last year.

    Just curious, the yard work you are referring to, is that what you did last December while Cougs and Aggies were still cheering on their teams?

  • raybies Layton, UT
    July 22, 2013 1:20 p.m.

    #2 in MWC? As an aggie, even I can see how far the MWC has fallen if that's the case.

    The only championship team at USU is the Engineering Department, which blows all the other schools in the state out of the water. :-P

  • Stang08 Southern, UT
    July 22, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    So as I predicted Bosie will win the MWC again. And USU will be behind them. What Chris B says takes guts. Wish there was more of that on these aggie pages. But I'm not suprised there isn't since we are on the aggie pages. Good luck behind BSU this year ladies.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    July 22, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    Interesting to not hear Keaton's name on the first team list. I have a hunch he will remind the coaches on the field that they were mistaken giving Carr the recognition over Keaton.

    Utah State better take down the Utes to start off the season. It will be a tough game being in SLC, but USU is the better program and team right now.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    July 22, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    the utes were one field goal away from a BC... oh wait... nevermind

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    July 22, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    Chris B- The Aggies were quite possibly one field goal away from a BCS bowl game last year. Just look at Northern Illinois.

    Give it a rest.

    Go Aggies!

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    July 22, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    Chris likes to spout off about the pac 12.
    I think he is right about any other teams jumping at the offer, and he is right about what Utah did when they were in the MWC.
    HOWEVER
    Since utah has been in the PAC they have amounted to be a whipping boy. They are not the team that the PAC thought they were, and since being a member have not been much more than a laughing stock.
    When that is the case, that's all chrisb can pound his chest about, "what we use to do" and the "pac12"

    Here is the question...
    would you rather be in a big conference and lose, or be in a small conference and win?

    Yes, they get more money, but so far the money is not equaling wins.

    I am guessing the PAC is wondering what happened to the team that they thought was good enough to invite?

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    July 22, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    Chris my friend,

    "First, the Pac 12 could have invited byu, usu, sdsu, Nevada, boise, UNLV......

    And those teams would JUMP at the chance. They'd accept no questions asked."j

    I wouldn't jump to this conclusion. I'm not so sure BYU would "JUMP" at the chance. I think BYU likes where they are. You may not like it, but BYU is unique, they know they are unique, they play D-1 sports for different reasons that what other schools do, and like it or not, they are comfortable with it. They have a profitable sports program and they are accomplishing what they want to accomplish, so while you may not understand it, it works for them.

    Also, for all your infatuation with your over-rated conference, I hope you still love it after another beat-down year this year.

    If you make it to Provo on Sept 21, come on by after the game. I'll cheer you up by talking politics with you.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    July 22, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    Christy

    Power conference football = Boise State versus Utah State

    Powder-puff conference football = Utah versus Colorado

    Big boy football = BYU versus Texas / Notre Dame

    The team the PAC desperately wanted, visits Provo this year.

    The team the PAC settled for, resides in SLC.

    The Utes are lucky that they're not in the MWC anymore, because they'd be bottom-dwelling, bowl no shows. At least by being in the PAC, the Utes have a convenient excuse for losing.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2013 12:08 p.m.

    @Sambone

    "The Utes still haven't proven a thing in the PAC. And until they do, they're not any better than those non-power conference teams you've been taking stabs at"

    Not true at all.

    First, the Pac 12 could have invited byu, usu, sdsu, Nevada, boise, UNLV......

    And those teams would JUMP at the chance. They'd accept no questions asked.

    but the pac 12 didn't.

    So clearly the Pac 12 thought Utah was worthy of a Pac 12 invite.

    The Pac 12 could also invite these teams any day, 365 days a year, if we thought they were worthy.

    But we haven't. Because they're not.

    Also, byu/usu fans are quick to forget we are the last team in the nation to beat Bama in a bowl game. Familiar with Alabama and Nick Saban perhaps?

    We went to 2 BCS games
    We went undefeated twice in the last 10 years
    We won 2 BCS games

    Only Boise even compares to us in that regard.

    Keep believing that because Utah has had a tough time in a tough schedule that we are on par with a byu, usu, boise, unlv...

    LOL!

    Pac 12 call you lately?

    Didn't think so.

  • Sambonethegreat Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    Go Ags! Prove the naysayer(s) wrong.

    @Chris B

    "There is power conference football. And then there is non-power conference football. I can barely stomach the latter after enjoying firsthand the prestige of the former."

    Careful there, man. The Utes still haven't proven a thing in the PAC. And until they do, they're not any better than those non-power conference teams you've been taking stabs at.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    Oh and let me add,

    Yes aggies you beat us last year.

    Congratulations.

    are you already getting ready to storm the field next time it happens in 2030?

    LOL!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    Besides Boise games against power conference teams, I can barely stomach to watch the WAC/MWC teams play anymore. USU had a nice run last year, but face it aggies, you'll never have a top 10 finish, you'll never play in a huge bowl game, you'll never go undefeated, you'll never truly be fighting for a national championship. And the thing I like about aggies, they typically accept and acknowledge these facts. Other fans are not so humble.

    USU is one of the teams where I'm glad when they're doing well, but I'd rather go do yardwork than watch a WAC/MWC game these days.

    There is power conference football.

    And then there is non-power conference football.

    I can barely stomach the latter after enjoying firsthand the prestige of the former.

    Go aggies
    Go UTES

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    July 22, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    I am really looking forward to watching the Aggies in this newly expanded MWC. I think this is going ot be a very entertaining league to watch. I hope the Aggies can keep the momentum going and become a serious player in their new league.